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post #1 of 53
10/29/08 at 5:05pm
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hey joe dont you know yet, you cant question the holy one.
the media and his cult followers will come for you.


http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/28...snooping-case/

Toledo police clerk charged in Joe The Plumber snooping case; Update: Snooper was doing a favor for a reporter; Joe may sue

That makes two Ohio government employees identified in the snooping case. (Obama donor Helen Jones-Kelly, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, approved a separate search. More are being investigated.)
post #2 of 53
10/29/08 at 5:39pm
Hey Bruce, the link doesn't work. Do you have another one?
post #3 of 53
10/29/08 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
Hey Bruce, the link doesn't work. Do you have another one?
I had the same problem, but was able to run a search on the site and find it. Try this one;

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/28...snooping-case/

(Sorry Bruce, just already had the link right here nice and handy )
post #4 of 53
10/29/08 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
Hey Bruce, the link doesn't work. Do you have another one?
try it now, it seems the name of the page changed
post #5 of 53
10/29/08 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I had the same problem, but was able to run a search on the site and find it. Try this one;

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/28...snooping-case/

(Sorry Bruce, just already had the link right here nice and handy )

no problem.
post #6 of 53
10/29/08 at 6:00pm
Thank you for the link, and your link is now working Bruce.

And, I hope he does sue because that goes against the privacy act. IMO there was no reason to dig into a citizen's finacial situation just because they happened to ask a question, and only certain institutions are able to access that info (ie, if you are requesting a loan, ect)...NOT reporters. A person's financial info is not available to the general public.
post #7 of 53
10/29/08 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
Thank you for the link, and your link is now working Bruce.

And, I hope he does sue because that goes against the privacy act. IMO there was no reason to dig into a citizen's finacial situation just because they happened to ask a question, and only certain institutions are able to access that info (ie, if you are requesting a loan, ect)...NOT reporters. A person's financial info is not available to the general public.
I agree that what the people being charged with is wrong.

The information about his tax liens is public record, though. "Joe" the "plumber" is not an average citizen-- he intends to run for congress next time around, and so far he's lied about everything and has started stumping with Sarah Palin, effectively he is now a part of the campaign. We demand to see all kinds of information concerning campaigns that we would never of a private citizen. I would feel bad if I thought for a second that 'Joe' is who he presents himself as, but that just ain't so.
post #8 of 53
10/29/08 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
I agree that what the people being charged with is wrong.

The information about his tax liens is public record, though. "Joe" the "plumber" is not an average citizen-- he intends to run for congress next time around, and so far he's lied about everything and has started stumping with Sarah Palin, effectively he is now a part of the campaign. We demand to see all kinds of information concerning campaigns that we would never of a private citizen. I would feel bad if I thought for a second that 'Joe' is who he presents himself as, but that just ain't so.
What did he "lie" about?
post #9 of 53
10/29/08 at 9:43pm
Let's see.....Joe the Plumber:

His first name isn't even Joe. It's Samuel.

He's not even a certified plumber.

He claimed he was going to buy a business worth over $250K. Not only was the business not worth that much, but he doesn't even make enough money to buy it. And don't forget the back taxes he owes.

He now claims that he wants to run for congress.

Then he wants to write a book.

Then he wants to record country and western music.

But instead of doing any of these things, he stumps with Palin and has assumed the role of a republican pundit, going so far as to say that a vote for Obama "is a vote for the death of Israel".

And now he wants to sue because the McCain campaign gave him some fame?

Pssssttttt........I think we typically call people like this a "con man".

I'm amazed that McCain is still using him as his primary campaign message. Oops, I got that wrong, McCain bounced onto his next message du jour today: foreign policy. And he didn't bother to vet his current attack strategy before using it.
post #10 of 53
10/29/08 at 9:50pm
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err, No wants to sue, the people that broke the law, and hacked into his personal business in the name of the obama.
post #11 of 53
10/30/08 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
err, No wants to sue, the people that broke the law, and hacked into his personal business in the name of the obama.
Most of the world has moved on from Joe as more and more about his life comes out. I think he is just a shill anyway. He asked a false question and if you watch the tape with Obama, he talks with him in earnest even though he knows he is not a supporter. How this guy got a Publicist is beyond me.
He represents some ridiculous things about our society including a frivolous lawsuit. Either he enjoys his days in the sun in the public eye which comes with a price of privacy invasion or go away and no one will search your public records.
Joe the Plumber who is actually Sam somebody and not a plumber is getting a PR person and is interested in making a C&W CD. Then he is acting like a foreign policy expert. Shep on Fox even had to shut him down and qualify what he said as a lie.
What next? His own reality show?
McCain is better than that.
post #12 of 53
10/30/08 at 6:45am
When Fox news clarifies your comments as not being true when you're spouting off nonsense about the democratic candidate for president, you know you should probably sit down and shut up. I would love it if that's what this phony would do.

I do, however, believe he has the right to sue (though not for money) a government agency that leaked information about him to the press. That was illegal. I also think that now he's declared himself a star, he better get used to it.

In my nightmares, I see a Palin/Wurzelbacher 2012 ticket. Their campaign slogan could be 'Death to America!'
post #13 of 53
10/30/08 at 8:36am
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live...0.html?sid=101

A state agency has revealed that its checks of computer systems for potential information on "Joe the Plumber" were more extensive than it first acknowledged.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, disclosed today that computer inquiries on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher were not restricted to a child-support system.

The agency also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes, she wrote.

PS: He never said his name wasn't Samuel, he goes by Joe. He never said he made a certain amount of money, but that the business he was thinking of buying made X amount.

Irregardless, the information was not obtained or used legally, so he has every right to sue if he chooses.
post #14 of 53
10/30/08 at 8:49am
A man, Joe The Plumber, is in his own neighborhood, in his own yard,
Obama comes into his neighborhood and Joe asks a simple question and has his life torn apart for it.

The Media spreads lies about him.
Obama and Biden ridicule him in public speeches all over this nation
Obama donors invade government computers to unlawfully dig for dirt on him.


It is pretty, darn bad that, as an American citizen, you can't even ask a question of a candidate that comes into your neighborhood without having your life ruined.

Even posters on this site are calling Joe the Plumber a liar. Pathetic
post #15 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:24am
1. So, are you saying that it is a "lie" to go by your middle name instead of your first name? My son's name is Jeremy, he has always gone by "Jamie". Is he a liar? I don't think so.
2. Newsflash for you, one does not have to be certified to be a plumber.
Another lie debunked.
3. He was not talking to the penny, he just said the business was worth about 250K, that is not a lie, good grief, he probably didn't know exactly how much the business was worth. Heck my brother owns the company I work for and I don't know exactly how much it is worth.
4. He did not lie about his taxes, if he did, please provide proof
5. He did not lie about running for congress, if he did give me proof
6. How is wanting to write a book or record country music in the future, a lie?

You have not cited one lie, not one. I think it is pathetic of people to trash a man because he made Obama look like the phony he really is.

Now, kindly cite an actual lie.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

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lie1   /laɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [lahy] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, lied, lyâ‹…ing.
–noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Let's see.....Joe the Plumber:

His first name isn't even Joe. It's Samuel.

He's not even a certified plumber.

He claimed he was going to buy a business worth over $250K. Not only was the business not worth that much, but he doesn't even make enough money to buy it. And don't forget the back taxes he owes.

He now claims that he wants to run for congress.

Then he wants to write a book.

Then he wants to record country and western music.

But instead of doing any of these things, he stumps with Palin and has assumed the role of a republican pundit, going so far as to say that a vote for Obama "is a vote for the death of Israel".

And now he wants to sue because the McCain campaign gave him some fame?

Pssssttttt........I think we typically call people like this a "con man".

I'm amazed that McCain is still using him as his primary campaign message. Oops, I got that wrong, McCain bounced onto his next message du jour today: foreign policy. And he didn't bother to vet his current attack strategy before using it.
post #16 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Joe asks a simple question and has his life torn apart for it.
Joe is making book deals, music deals, hired a publisher, thinking about running for congress and is on the campaign stump as a "foreign affairs expert" because of this. Is that how you tear apart a life? No, Joe's going to make a lot of money off of this, far more than he ever made as a plumber.

And who is keeping him visable to the public? Why McCain and Palin! Thanks to them, opportunity has knocked on his door and he's flung it wide open.
post #17 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Most of the world has moved on from Joe as more and more about his life comes out. I think he is just a shill anyway. He asked a false question and if you watch the tape with Obama, he talks with him in earnest even though he knows he is not a supporter. How this guy got a Publicist is beyond me.
He represents some ridiculous things about our society including a frivolous lawsuit. Either he enjoys his days in the sun in the public eye which comes with a price of privacy invasion or go away and no one will search your public records.
Joe the Plumber who is actually Sam somebody and not a plumber is getting a PR person and is interested in making a C&W CD. Then he is acting like a foreign policy expert. Shep on Fox even had to shut him down and qualify what he said as a lie.
What next? His own reality show?
McCain is better than that.
My name is Cynthia, I go by Cindy. I guess I am a liar.

IMO, posts like this show exactly how Joe the Plumber flummoxed the other side.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flummox

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flummox

verb
be a mystery or bewildering to; "This beats me!"; "Got me--I don't know the answer!"; "a vexing problem"; "This question really stuck me" [syn: perplex]


A "vexing problem" is right.
post #18 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:34am
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15072.html

http://features.csmonitor.com/books/...e-the-plumber/

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...-for-congress/
post #19 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:38am
Still lookin' for the lies my friend, lookin' for the lies. Don't see none yet.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

People, not you Momofmany, call Joe a liar, come show me some
actual lies.
post #20 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:41am

"Rumor has it" rumors, rumors everywhere.

Hey, if Charles Barclay the Basketball player can run for Governor, why can't Joe run for Congress? He can't do any worse than this -10% approval rating Congress we have now has done.
post #21 of 53
10/30/08 at 9:59am
I do believe this thread is about whether or not the democrats dug into info they didn't have authority to dig into, not whether or not he lied (which, in my opinion, he didn't). Both my grandparents went by their middle names as well as some other people I know now.

And why shouldn't Joe have aspirations to write a book or make a C&W CD? Isn't that the American dream? To become successful? I have no idea if he can write or sing, but what's the big deal there? And, if he wants to run for congress, as long as he is 30 years old and an American citizen for more than 9 years, and a legal resident of the state he is representing, what's the problem? He can run. I'm not saying he will be elected, but it's an option open to everyone. That's what makes America great, right? Hey, that's how Obama got the presidential nomination with no qualifications (just my opinion, of course).
post #22 of 53
10/30/08 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
2. Newsflash for you, one does not have to be certified to be a plumber.
Another lie debunked.
3. He was not talking to the penny, he just said the business was worth about 250K, that is not a lie, good grief, he probably didn't know exactly how much the business was worth. Heck my brother owns the company I work for and I don't know exactly how much it is worth.
Once again, you do, in fact, have to have a license to be a plumber in the state of Ohio. That is law. That is readily available information that has been posted again and again.

And saying your business will MAKE 250k is a whole lot different than saying it is WORTH 250k. He lied and misrepresented purposefully so that he could claim to be in a higher tax bracket, when he absolutely will not be.
post #23 of 53
10/30/08 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
And why shouldn't Joe have aspirations to write a book or make a C&W CD? Isn't that the American dream? To become successful? I have no idea if he can write or sing, but what's the big deal there? And, if he wants to run for congress, as long as he is 30 years old and an American citizen for more than 9 years, and a legal resident of the state he is representing, what's the problem? He can run. I'm not saying he will be elected, but it's an option open to everyone. That's what makes America great, right? Hey, that's how Obama got the presidential nomination with no qualifications (just my opinion, of course).
psst, this is obama's america successful is a dirty word.
dont you dare question the great ones, plan.

hmm what is in your tax recordes
post #24 of 53
10/30/08 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Once again, you do, in fact, have to have a license to be a plumber in the state of Ohio. That is law. That is readily available information that has been posted again and again.

And saying your business will MAKE 250k is a whole lot different than saying it is WORTH 250k. He lied and misrepresented purposefully so that he could claim to be in a higher tax bracket, when he absolutely will not be.

No, you do NOT have to be a licensed plumber. ONE person has to have the contractor's license, the business owner, employees do not have to have a license. And what I am saying has been posted again and again.

It isn't his business Z, he gave a figure that he thought it made. That is not lying and misrepresenting. He doesn't even own the business, he said he was thinking about buying a plumbing busines, or "might" .... nothing was in stone.
It was a question, geesh.

So now he is a liar? No lies have been shown to me at all.
post #25 of 53
10/30/08 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, you do NOT have to be a licensed plumber. ONE person has to have the contractor's license, the business owner, employees do not have to have a license. And what I am saying has been posted again and again.
Fine, Cindy. But neither of the two people in the business have a license, so it doesn't matter all that much either way. Just going by the state government.
post #26 of 53
10/30/08 at 6:12pm
It was proven that the owner of the company DOES have a license.

I just cannot believe all of this because the guy asked "The One" a simple question and he got brought up in the last debate.

You would think the guy committed or something. geesh

So, they aren't a union plumbing company, big deal.
post #27 of 53
10/31/08 at 1:26am
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he did, cindy, he asked a legit question of the holy one.
that is not allowed in the media today. if most of the media had been doing its job, those questions would hvae been asked.

look how the guy has been treated by many of the liberal media, and the crimes commited aganist him, in the name of obama.
post #28 of 53
10/31/08 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It was proven that the owner of the company DOES have a license.
Who is the owner, then? Because the man "Joe" said was the only other person in the business does not. Or did he lie about his name too?
post #29 of 53
10/31/08 at 7:55am
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...DJhNjhhZjRiNmI
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For the last seven years, these left-wing privacy champs have lobbied on behalf of foreign enemy combatants. The ACLU fought unsuccessfully to kill the Bush administration's post-9/11 effort to monitor terrorist communications in the United States. The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and USA Today went ballistic over the government's bank surveillance program to trace terrorist financing.

Those same papers fumed earlier this year when State Department contractors illegally sifted through the passport files of Obama (and Hillary Clinton and John McCain). Obama mouthpiece Bill Burton intoned after the passport scandal: "Our government's duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes."

But when freelance members of the Obama Goon Squad take it upon themselves to do opposition research on The One's citizen critics and rummage through government databases, where are all the privocrats? And how safe will your state tax and IRS records be if Dear Leader is elected?

Welcome to Obama's America.
post #30 of 53
10/31/08 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Who is the owner, then? Because the man "Joe" said was the only other person in the business does not. Or did he lie about his name too?

Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and he does have a license. Sorry to disappoint you.


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