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post #1 of 56
10/27/08 at 8:08am
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http://www.sodahead.com/question/160...1#post_5309281

Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 killed in Iraq.

so much for obama and his change
post #2 of 56
10/27/08 at 8:12am
yeah, cause Obama's responsible for every murder in his city

not to mention he's a senator, not mayor
post #3 of 56
10/27/08 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
yeah, cause Obama's responsible for every murder in his city

not to mention he's a senator, not mayor

and he shoudl be working for the people , but he is not.
he keeps talking of change, but the only change that follows him is for the worse.
post #4 of 56
10/27/08 at 8:46am
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

Hmmm.....Chicago isn't even listed here.

You're really reaching on this one Bruce.
post #5 of 56
10/27/08 at 9:17am
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1...102408.article

The Chicago Sun-Times reported this week that Chicago, with 426 murders through Tuesday, is outpacing New York and L.A. in murders this year. New York recorded 417 murders, while L.A. had 302.



Not only does Chicago lead the nation in the number of absolute murders it zooms upward out of all proportion in murders per capita. According to the US Census Bureau New York's population is 8,214,426; Los Angeles' 3,849,378 while Chicago has 2,833,321 people.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...senate_wh.html


BHO supported efforts by Bill Ayers and others to change the criminal code in Illinois to prevent trying juveniles as adults. Since many gang murders are committed by kids under the age of 17, such a change would have put most of these vicious killers in the juvenile court system where the chances were good that they would have been released shortly after reaching their 21st birthday.

Sounds like someone let the fox start running the henhouse.
post #6 of 56
10/27/08 at 9:33am
Ya, Chicago sounds like a real garden spot. Even the Governor says it's "out of control". All that community organizing has certainly worked wonders.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1...lago17.article
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Calling violence in Chicago "out of control," Gov. Blagojevich on Wednesday offered to lend state troopers and National Guard helicopters to the city to augment the Chicago Police.

The governor is considering forming an "elite tactical team" to help the Chicago Police fight gang problems, a source said, adding that the unit could later be sent across the state to deal with gang problems at any city's request.
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress...this-violence/

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Brutal violence that occurred in the 13th district which Obama once oversaw as a State Senator…..and Brutal violence that Obama continues to ignore, and not discuss, as he knows it will not help his campaign narrative/lie of change……

Barack Obama did not change anything here in Chicago….violence, corruption, religious zealotry, drug abuse, and political malpractice have been common place in Chicago for 77 years……and still are today..
But, he is a pretty good sales guy…
post #7 of 56
10/27/08 at 9:49am
And Houston (Bush) tops Chicago and Phoenix (McCain) is ranked 1 city behind Chicago. Go look up the FBI murder statistics.

Is there any stone that you won't try to overturn against Obama?
post #8 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:10am
so Obama's supposed to overturn 77 years of violence? wow, I'm a supporter and I don't even think he's that good.
post #9 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
And Houston (Bush) tops Chicago and Phoenix (McCain) is ranked 1 city behind Chicago. Go look up the FBI murder statistics.

Is there any stone that you won't try to overturn against Obama?
I didn't realize that Bush was a community organizer in Houston and McCain was a community organizer in Phoenix.

My point is, what good did his community organizing do in Chicago?
post #10 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I didn't realize that Bush was a community organizer in Houston and McCain was a community organizer in Phoenix.

My point is, what good did his community organizing do in Chicago?
Well, to begin with; which community did he work in organizing, and which communities are the murders happening in. There are over 70 communities in Chicago, you know
post #11 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I didn't realize that Bush was a community organizer in Houston and McCain was a community organizer in Phoenix.

My point is, what good did his community organizing do in Chicago?
Let's see. Obama was a community organizer before he went to Harvard Law school. What does community organizing done in the early 1990's have to do with the effect on crime in a city today? Women gained the right to vote early last century and we still don't have equal pay for equal jobs. Must all be Susan B. Anthony's fault!!

It's very easy to misconstrue information when it is stated out of context. OMG - crime rate is high in Chicago!! And so it is with every city in this country.
post #12 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:28am
I ask again. What is the point of "community organizing" What are community organizers trying to accomplish?
post #13 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Well, to begin with; which community did he work in organizing, and which communities are the murders happening in. There are over 70 communities in Chicago, you know
He was an organized for the South Side. Which is where the reportedly highest crimes rates are. Do an internet search for "crimes in southside Chicago" : it's quite scary.

As far as diverting the subject to Susan B Anthony and women's rights, I don't get that. We're talking about the failure of crime to drop in a city where a Presidental candidate has been a community organized and bragged to "make a difference in America" like he did there.

I'll pass.
post #14 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I ask again. What is the point of "community organizing" What are community organizers trying to accomplish?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing
post #15 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
He was an organized for the South Side. Which is where the reportedly highest crimes rates are. Do an internet search for "crimes in southside Chicago" : it's quite scary.

As far as diverting the subject to Susan B Anthony and women's rights, I don't get that. We're talking about the failure of crime to drop in a city where a Presidental candidate has been a community organized and bragged to "make a difference in America" like he did there.

I'll pass.
But which community on the south side? There are nearly 30 communities that fall into the south side region. For all we know, his community may have lemonade afternoons on the front stoops, flowers in window boxes and seniors playing checkers in a local park.
post #16 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
He was an organized for the South Side. Which is where the reportedly highest crimes rates are. Do an internet search for "crimes in southside Chicago" : it's quite scary.
The south side has many communities. The primary community that he worked in is located on the far south side close to Lake Michigan. The highest crime rate on the south side is in the projects, just south of downtown. It is surpassed by the crime rate on the near north side.

I grew up on the south side of Chicago and lived to tell about it. Again, it's easy to misconstrue a point when you take it out of context.

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As far as diverting the subject to Susan B Anthony and women's rights, I don't get that. We're talking about the failure of crime to drop in a city where a Presidental candidate has been a community organized and bragged to "make a difference in America" like he did there.
Susan B. Anthony fought for women's rights and we still aren't equal. What she did has nothing to do with the pay scales of women today. Obama worked to bring together the people in a community on the south side of Chicago. What he did has nothing to do with the crime rate across an entire city today. I was using an absurd analogy to illustrate how absurd this argument is.
post #17 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:53am
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But which community on the south side? There are nearly 30 communities that fall into the south side region. For all we know, his community may have lemonade afternoons on the front stoops, flowers in window boxes and seniors playing checkers in a local park.
It wasn't that pretty by far, but a far cry from the really bad neighborhoods in Chicago. I challenge anyone who hasn't lived there to tell me any differently.

I grew up on the south side of Chicago!
post #18 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
The south side has many communities. The primary community that he worked in is located on the far south side close to Lake Michigan. The highest crime rate on the south side is in the projects, just south of downtown. It is surpassed by the crime rate on the near north side.

I grew up on the south side of Chicago and lived to tell about it. Again, it's easy to misconstrue a point when you take it out of context.


Susan B. Anthony fought for women's rights and we still aren't equal. What she did has nothing to do with the pay scales of women today. Obama worked to bring together the people in a community on the south side of Chicago. What he did has nothing to do with the crime rate across an entire city today. I was using an absurd analogy to illustrate how absurd this argument is.
So why wouldn't a community organizer work in the worst part of town, where the help is most needed?

Oh right. Not actually helping the community by lowering crime, getting rid of gangs, adding jobs, etc. I forgot, it's about registering people to vote, helping them get a home loan although they might not have a steady job, making sure they know about all the Federal subsidy programs they can apply for.

I'll give him this: he's done a fine job convincing those who do believe in him. Although I'll go with GK on this one, there's only one to truly be believed in.
post #19 of 56
10/27/08 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
So why wouldn't a community organizer work in the worst part of town, where the help is most needed?

Oh right. Not actually helping the community by lowering crime, getting rid of gangs, adding jobs, etc. I forgot, it's about registering people to vote, helping them get a home loan although they might not have a steady job, making sure they know about all the Federal subsidy programs they can apply for.

I'll give him this: he's done a fine job convincing those who do believe in him. Although I'll go with GK on this one, there's only one to truly be believed in.
Now you're just being funny again People typically get into organizing their home neighborhoods. The idea of going in search of a neighborhood in need of organizing is getting a bit silly.
post #20 of 56
10/27/08 at 12:07pm
He didn't live where he organized, surely? And yes, I think the premise, as momofmany has said, is to help others that are less fortunate. Surely his neighbors in his exclusive community didn't need to "get out the vote" or sign up for welfare???
post #21 of 56
10/27/08 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
He didn't live where he organized, surely? And yes, I think the premise, as momofmany has said, is to help others that are less fortunate. Surely his neighbors in his exclusive community didn't need to "get out the vote" or sign up for welfare???
Possibly not!

Are you saying that every community on the south side of Chicago is on welfare?
post #22 of 56
10/27/08 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
He didn't live where he organized, surely? And yes, I think the premise, as momofmany has said, is to help others that are less fortunate. Surely his neighbors in his exclusive community didn't need to "get out the vote" or sign up for welfare???
You've lost me entirely on whether you are talking about the present time or 20 years ago.

And no one has explained to me what community organizing in one portion of a city has to do with the overall crime rate of a city 20 years later? I don't see the connection.
post #23 of 56
10/27/08 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
You've lost me entirely on whether you are talking about the present time or 20 years ago.

And no one has explained to me what community organizing in one portion of a city has to do with the overall crime rate of a city 20 years later? I don't see the connection.
Whenever. The point was made that community organizers "don't do crime", so I'll leave it at that.

And Skippy, not sure where you got that out of what I said. There is rampant crime and poverty on the South Side of Chicago, well documented and even admitted by many.

PS to all: I don't need anyone putting words in my mouth, I speak pretty well on my own. Whether you like what I say or not, that's up to you.
post #24 of 56
10/27/08 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
And Skippy, not sure where you got that out of what I said. There is rampant crime and poverty on the South Side of Chicago, well documented and even admitted by many.
Yes there is: in pockets, certain communities. Other communities on the south side have crime rates equitable and sometimes lower than other metro areas.

So, which communities are we talking about?
post #25 of 56
10/27/08 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So, which communities are we talking about?
This is a very relevant question. If the population on the south side of Chicago is roughly 1/2 of that in the city as a whole, that would put the population of the south side at 1.3 million, which is larger than a lot of states across the country. If there was a city in a smaller state with a high crime rate, you wouldn't say that the entire state was riddled with crime.

When I moved from the south side of Chicago to Houston, I was more scared living in Houston. In Chicago, there are very concentrated pockets of crime and I simply avoided those pockets. Crime in Houston was random, thus making everyone vulnerable no matter where you were. Obama didn't work in the worst neighborhoods, as even the cops and firemen used to avoid them for fear of being shot at. Ever see a cop ducked low in a car while driving by the "projects"? That is a scary site.
post #26 of 56
10/27/08 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
PS to all: I don't need anyone putting words in my mouth, I speak pretty well on my own. Whether you like what I say or not, that's up to you.
I agree with you but it is important that what one says should be factual and not slanted just in order to "win" an argument or a point because then that person loses a great deal of credibility in most people's eyes and in future statements of that person are not usually taken seriously at all.
post #27 of 56
10/27/08 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post

Thanks for the link. I had no idea Martin Luther King Jr. was a community organizer! Or that's what he would be consider as. Nor did I know Ralph Nader was considered one as well.

It seems to be one of those things that covers all kinds of different spectrums, if that's the word I want to use.

I don't really care about the title subject at hand cause it's a bit silly but I wanted to thank you for this post. It was the most educational.
post #28 of 56
10/27/08 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I agree with you but it is important that what one says should be factual and not slanted just in order to "win" an argument or a point because then that person loses a great deal of credibility in most people's eyes and in future statements of that person are not usually taken seriously at all.

My point was that I've posted credible links to my references, and if people can't be bothered to do a little research on their own, I'd rather they not just assume what I mean, change the subject, etc.

We all have our opinions on these issues, and I base mine on things I found in my research. Not based upon some wikipedia info that's as unreliable as the local weatherman, not based upon something one of the campaigns issued.

I'll be sure to get right on showing which parts of Chicago BHO did his work in, along with corresponding crime rates. Although I think Bruce was spot on with his overall thread title, as Chicago holds firm as the unsafest city in America.
post #29 of 56
10/27/08 at 4:09pm
Wouldn't community organizers be striving for permenent change in the communities they are doing their organizing in?
post #30 of 56
10/27/08 at 4:11pm
Isn't Chicago well known for its' corruption? Political corruption, that is?
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