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They know who the biggest advocate for Isreal is in this election

http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute..._For_Pres.html

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The Jewish Press heartily endorses John McCain for president of the United States.
post #2 of 78
And they know anti-Semetic rhetoric when they hear it from those surrounding and supporting BHO.
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And they know anti-Semetic rhetoric when they hear it from those surrounding and supporting BHO.
Just out of curiosity; you claim that the racist rhetoric we hear from those surrounding and supporting McCain is by no means any indication of McCain himself. Yet then you claim that the rhetoric of those surrounding and supporting Obama is proof positive of his intentions.

Why is that?
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Just out of curiosity; you claim that the racist rhetoric we hear from those surrounding and supporting McCain is by no means any indication of McCain himself. Yet then you claim that the rhetoric of those surrounding and supporting Obama is proof positive of his intentions.

Why is that?
The crap people complain about from the McCain supporters are just that: individuals that support him, regular citizens who happen to express their passion in not so PC ways (yelling at rallies, etc. - although not all of those have even been true.) Have we seen evidence of out and out racial or religious hatred from McCain's family, friends, advisors?

BHO has known anti-Semetics in his entourage of friends, on his campaign staff and will likely elevate them into his tax-payer paid Administration if elected.

George Soros
Robert Malley
Samantha Power
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Loius Farrakhan
Allan Houston
Zbigniew and Mark Bzrezinski
Anthony Lake
Susan Rice
Ivo Daalder
Scott Lasensky

He actively opposed the appointment of John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN. Bolton happens to be an avid supporter of Israel.
post #5 of 78
And obama has nation of Islam people on his staff.
As i have said, Obama is just as racist as the KKK guy is.
but the media and liberals keep giving him a free pass on the subject
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
The crap people complain about from the McCain supporters are just that: individuals that support him, regular citizens who happen to express their passion in not so PC ways (yelling at rallies, etc. - although not all of those have even been true.) Have we seen evidence of out and out racial or religious hatred from McCain's family, friends, advisors?

BHO has known anti-Semetics in his entourage of friends, on his campaign staff and will likely elevate them into his tax-payer paid Administration if elected.

George Soros
Robert Malley
Samantha Power
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Loius Farrakhan
Allan Houston
Zbigniew and Mark Bzrezinski
Anthony Lake
Susan Rice
Ivo Daalder
Scott Lasensky

He actively opposed the appointment of John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN. Bolton happens to be an avid supporter of Israel.
I'm not arguing your point, or even questioning it. I was just wondering how you applied your logic, and that didn't really answer the question.
post #7 of 78
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I think it did Skippy. I think Neet's point is, you are not comparing apples to apples.

The people yelling at Rally's and writing anonymous blogs are not people McCain or Obama know personally.

She listed the people he knows and associates with personally. And she left out a few of the worst, like Raila Odinga and William Ayers
post #8 of 78
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think it did Skippy. I think Neet's point is, you are not comparing apples to apples.

The people yelling at Rally's and writing anonymous blogs are not people McCain or Obama know personally.

She listed the people he knows and associates with personally. And she left out a few of the worst, like Raila Odinga and William Ayers
I beg to differ, but no, it didn't. For one thing, it leaves this question unanswered:

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The people yelling at Rally's and writing anonymous blogs are not people McCain or Obama know personally.
How do you know that?
post #9 of 78
So how do you know they ARE related somehow to the McCain campaign?

And for the record, the reporter that supposedly heard the "kill him" comment? Even the Secret Service can't verify it.

I really don't get the quest for you to figure out why I feel like I do. Are you expecting an answer like "from the thought fairies?" I'm not trying to convert anyone with my feelings, I'm just exercising my rights like everyone else here.

I post plenty of links to show where I get my information from. I spend considerable time reading news, not just blogs. I see a name or an idea associated with a campaign, I research it. Maybe if everyone actually did the research, we'd understand where people are getting their information from.
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She listed the people he knows and associates with personally. And she left out a few of the worst, like Raila Odinga and William Ayers
Yeah, I was on an anti-Semetic roll. I left the genocide-promoting and "kill your parents"
guys for another day.
post #11 of 78
In case we need further reason to be afraid...

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/...abdelnour.html

That's two Obama people meeting with the Syrians. Poor Lebanon, they are being pawned again.
post #12 of 78
I'm sure no one wants to hear this either, but in all good conscience, anyone who doubts BHO associations with anit-Semetics really should.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...231,full.story

Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.

And yet the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor's going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.

Their belief is not drawn from Obama's speeches or campaign literature, but from comments that some say Obama made in private and from his association with the Palestinian American community in his hometown of Chicago, including his presence at events where anger at Israeli and U.S. Middle East policy was freely expressed.

At Khalidi's 2003 farewell party, for example, a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, "then you will never see a day of peace."

One speaker likened "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been "blinded by ideology."

Obama adopted a different tone in his comments and called for finding common ground. But his presence at such events, as he worked to build a political base in Chicago, has led some Palestinian leaders to believe that he might deal differently with the Middle East than either of his opponents for the White House.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
They know who the biggest advocate for Isreal is in this election

http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute..._For_Pres.html
I found this video to be interesting, and thought I'd post a link here.
"Israelis for Obama"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VFRt5W4FM
post #14 of 78
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
The crap people complain about from the McCain supporters are just that: individuals that support him, regular citizens who happen to express their passion in not so PC ways (yelling at rallies, etc. - although not all of those have even been true.) Have we seen evidence of out and out racial or religious hatred from McCain's family, friends, advisors?

BHO has known anti-Semetics in his entourage of friends, on his campaign staff and will likely elevate them into his tax-payer paid Administration if elected.

George Soros
Robert Malley
Samantha Power
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Loius Farrakhan
Allan Houston
Zbigniew and Mark Bzrezinski
Anthony Lake
Susan Rice
Ivo Daalder
Scott Lasensky

He actively opposed the appointment of John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN. Bolton happens to be an avid supporter of Israel.
Soros is Jewish. His real last name is Schwartz.
Malley is Jewish who also went to law school at Harvard with Barack
Samantha Power is married to a Jewish man.
Allan Houston is an overzealous Christian who blames the Jews for killing Christ. He had a fund raiser for Obama and is a retired basketball player.
Anthony Lake converted to Judaism 3 years ago.
Rice is a protege of Madeleine Albright
Daalder has strong ties to the neo-cons and Bush.
Lasensky is interested in promoting peace between Arabs and Israelis.
Bzrenzinskis happen to not believe in unilateral support for Israel but that doesn't make them anti semitic. Plenty of people are critics of Israel as a nation, not because of the dominant religion.

Farrakhan is not involved with Obama nor is Wright anymore.
A person can disagree with Israel's policies and have some sympathy for the Palestinians without being anti semitic. The problem is that the there are Israeli zealots as well and they think that anyone who is not with them 100 percent is anti semitic. Israel is an ally but they have not been correct in everything they have done. There are a core very powerful group of well connected Jews that even accuse and smear other Jews if they don't share their hardliner approach to international relations.

Beyond Farrakhan I don't see how you can make that claim. Farrakhan is a non issue since Obama has condemned him and his beliefs.
Palin has her own antisemitic religious issues to deal with.

I am not surprised that he got the nod since he is more hawkish in general and wants to continue the war and include Iran in there too. Israel wants to see their threats removed in order to stabilize the region to their satisfaction.

It behooves Obama, if he becomes President to open dialog with all of the countries in the Middle East. That doesn't mean we don't consider Israel our main ally in the region.
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Soros is Jewish. His real last name is Schwartz.
Malley is Jewish who also went to law school at Harvard with Barack
Samantha Power is married to a Jewish man.
Allan Houston is an overzealous Christian who blames the Jews for killing Christ. He had a fund raiser for Obama and is a retired basketball player.
Anthony Lake converted to Judaism 3 years ago.
Rice is a protege of Madeleine Albright
Daalder has strong ties to the neo-cons and Bush.
Lasensky is interested in promoting peace between Arabs and Israelis.
Bzrenzinskis happen to not believe in unilateral support for Israel but that doesn't make them anti semitic. Plenty of people are critics of Israel as a nation, not because of the dominant religion.
Soros got a Founder's Award from his ICG think tank, and thanked them for their efforts on the Palestinian "question". Z Bzrensinski and Powers are members of this think tank, along with a slew of other anti-Israel "experts."

Malley is a Hezbollah apologist.

Power's record against Jews is so outrageous, I can't imagine anything good to be said about her. Her husband's name is Jewish, but I can't see anything says he practices the religion. *he's also a professor at the infamous U of Chicago*

Wright and Farrakhan are out of the picture? BHO wishes!

Lasensky (and Kurtzer) think we should get Syria involved in talks between Israel and Palestine. Why, so they can just sneak in some guns and kill all their enemies at once?

Susan Rice was Kerry's foreign policy advisor when he ran for Pres, back when he recommended Jimmy Carter and James Baker to be negotiators with Israel. Now THAT was a stupid idea. For which he blamed Rice.

Malley has also called settlements "colonies" -- implicitly condemning Israel as a "colonial" state. Malley said Arafat was victimized during the Clinton peace efforts.

The media monitoring group CAMERA has files on several of these people, you should check them out.
post #16 of 78
Are you aware that in August, at Palin's church, the guest speaker claimed that when there are terrorist attacks on Israel, it is God's way of punishing unbelievers? Palin was in attendance that day. As well as on many other days when they said all manner of similar horrifying things.

I don't think it is fair to say Palin is obviously more supportive of Israel.

http://wasillabible.org/sermons.htm (See David Brickner, Aug 17th)

And before you respond, please remember all the things you said about what Rev Wright said when Obama wasn't even there and how that reflected on him...

Her church also believes in 'converting' gay people, witchcraft (which they protected Palin from in front of the church), and Armageddon. And she has been attending since she was a child.
post #17 of 78
Well obviously the Jewish Press doesn't see a problem with it.

Why the need to change the subject back to Palin's church and what they preach? What does that have to do with how the Jewish Press feels about endorsing McCain?

My list on why they might not support Obama is self explanatory.

But for kicks, since you want to think she doesn't support Israel: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...o-israel-view/

She keeps an Israeli flag in her office, Z. How much more do you need?
post #18 of 78
Well, Palin could support Israel because they're our allies. Or, because of their history. They stood and died for Israel at Masada. The Maccabbes fought and won a fierce war for Israel. The graves of their forefathers are there, the graves of their fathers and mothers, sons and daughters.

But, for Palin to "support" Israel simply because she believes it will someday be a Christian state, after forcing the Jews to convert as part of some doomsday prophecy of biblical myth, sounds very much like antisemitism to me.
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Why the need to change the subject back to Palin's church and what they preach? What does that have to do with how the Jewish Press feels about endorsing McCain?
It has a lot to do with the OP, where Cindy claimed "They know who the biggest advocate for Israel is in this election". I agree, not so much to do with a known conservative weekly paper's unsurprising endorsement.
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It's interesting to see some people who may be against ( in part) illegal Jewish setllements in the Occupied Terrorities labeled "anti-Semitic", as that label would thus apply to a great many Israelis and Jews..
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Well obviously the Jewish Press doesn't see a problem with it.

Why the need to change the subject back to Palin's church and what they preach? What does that have to do with how the Jewish Press feels about endorsing McCain?

My list on why they might not support Obama is self explanatory.

But for kicks, since you want to think she doesn't support Israel: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...o-israel-view/

She keeps an Israeli flag in her office, Z. How much more do you need?
Yes, Neet is right, Palin is a strong supporter of Israel. Sarah Palin hasn't been a member of any church for quite some time from what I have read, so that wasn't "her" church Z.
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It's interesting to see some people who may be against ( in part) illegal Jewish setllements in the Occupied Terrorities labeled "anti-Semitic", as that label would thus apply to a great many Israelis and Jews..
I don't believe those settlements are illegal. All of Israel belongs to the Jewish people IMO.
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Well, Palin could support Israel because they're our allies. Or, because of their history. They stood and died for Israel at Masada. The Maccabbes fought and won a fierce war for Israel. The graves of their forefathers are there, the graves of their fathers and mothers, sons and daughters.

But, for Palin to "support" Israel simply because she believes it will someday be a Christian state, after forcing the Jews to convert as part of some doomsday prophecy of biblical myth, sounds very much like antisemitism to me.
I think one can be Jewish and be a Christian also.

No one can be "forced" to convert to anything and no one should even try.
It is wrong of Christians to try to do it and wrong of any faith to do it.
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I think one can be Jewish and be a Christian also.

No one can be "forced" to convert to anything and no one should even try.
It is wrong of Christians to try to do it and wrong of any faith to do it.

I agree on both counts. But, that's exactly what the mythology Palin follows says is supposed to happen.
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It's interesting to see some people who may be against ( in part) illegal Jewish setllements in the Occupied Terrorities labeled "anti-Semitic", as that label would thus apply to a great many Israelis and Jews..
People are quick to jump on you as an anti-semite if you disagree with any of the political and/or military actions of Israel. Kinda like how if you disagree with the Iraq war, you're anti-american.

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Yes, Neet is right, Palin is a strong supporter of Israel. Sarah Palin hasn't been a member of any church for quite some time from what I have read, so that wasn't "her" church Z.
Well, she went there as a member almost her whole life, and attended as recently as this year, so I'd say you have bizarro standards for what qualifies as "her" church.

Does this mean you will forget all about Wright, and apply your same Palin standard to Obama and "his" church, and admit that it doesn't reflect on him at all? Or will you continue to apply a double standard?
post #26 of 78
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Oh please. I don't think Palin wrote a darn book saying a racist pastor was her "mentor". I find it "bizarro" that people would vote for a man that has done nothing and has zero experience but what can I say.
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People are quick to jump on you as an anti-semite if you disagree with any of the political and/or military actions of Israel. Kinda like how if you disagree with the Iraq war, you're anti-american.
Which is actually kind of inaccurate, as 20 to 25% of Israel's citizens aren't Jews. In fact, there are even Arabs in the Israeli government.

And contrary to what a lot of Palin like supporters think, the 70 to 75% of Israel's citizens that are Jewish, do not all think alike. They are just as diverse as Americans, and more tolerant. Sexual Orientation isn't even really an issue in Israel, as in, nobody cares. Many follow Judaism, but do so ranging from Orthodox to non-observant, Christian Jews, maybe even some Muslim Jews (don't really know about that one), and yes, there are even Pagan and Atheist Jews.

Not really at all like the Israel that Palin seems to think exists. It is, in fact, far, far better than that.
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I agree on both counts. But, that's exactly what the mythology Palin follows says is supposed to happen.
I don't believe that Palin's church is advocating forced conversion of the Jews to Christianity. I just don't believe it.
post #29 of 78
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FTR, the church I attend believes, as I do, in "Love, Grace & Inclusiveness.

Inclusive of everyone, regardless of race, skin color, or sexual orientation.
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I don't believe that Palin's church is advocating forced conversion of the Jews to Christianity. I just don't believe it.
Actually, it's quite true. They take the book of Revelations literally, and believe that one day their god will show up in Israel, claim it for itself and everyone will be forced to worship it should they want to or not.
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