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post #61 of 81
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
This thread made me curious, and I pulled out my KRS (Kentucky Revised Statutes) books. Mine are only the 2003 versions, but; Kentucky has 18 chapters of state elections laws. Geez!

And the citizens of KY hopefully are aware of all these laws when they go to vote, being as they had a chance to vote on the laws being enacted in the first place.

Surprising how few people know about the laws that were changed just a few years ago to keep false registrations from getting through the system. In the effort to do that, States failing to comply with Federal law have themselves put off voters. Its the right of either party to complain when the laws aren't being followed, so blaming Republicans for Democrats not being allowed to vote is IMO improper. The responsibility lies with the Sec. of State for each state. Hence the mess with Ohio, that lies on Brenner.

I understand where people get their perspective that everyone of age, etc. should be able to vote. But its not a simple task, and carries a lot of responsibility.
post #62 of 81
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
And the citizens of KY hopefully are aware of all these laws when they go to vote, being as they had a chance to vote on the laws being enacted in the first place.
You are kidding right? They should know all eighteen chapters and verse. Sounds like states need to condense the requirements. What in the world can you put in eighteen chapters.
post #63 of 81
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You are kidding right? They should know all eighteen chapters and verse. Sounds like states need to condense the requirements. What in the world can you put in eighteen chapters.
Kentucky has the current KRS' online, but I don't care much for them. They are all in individually linked PDF files, and the pages are full of place holders for Statutes repealed as long ago as 1952.

But, for anyone interested, here they are! This is the first of 18 chapters in Title 10, Elections;

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/116-00/CHAPTER.HTM
post #64 of 81
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Originally Posted by Breal76 View Post
You would think that would be all that mattered? Yeah? Who care's if you don't own a home? Or live in one. One would think you would be the person who needs to vote the most!
Why is that? Why do you think that a homeless person or a person who doesn't own a home needs to vote the most?
post #65 of 81
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Why is that? Why do you think that a homeless person or a person who doesn't own a home needs to vote the most?
I can see this point so I'll take a stab at it from my point of view. If a homeless person is in that state because they lost their job, or lost their home due to foreclosure, or simply cannot work for medical reasons (either physical or emotional), then it is in their own interest to want to vote for a candidate that could restore the economy, or offer up a health care plan, or encourage job growth so that they can get a job and off the street. I don't think many people choose to live on the street. They wind up there due to bad times and in many cases, mental issues.
post #66 of 81
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Actually I was interested in Breal76's point of view since that is the person who made the statement but your response still doesn't answer the question why those people need to vote the most. The rest of us have a stake in the outcome of elections too, not just the homeless.
post #67 of 81
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http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc.../NEWS/81029041

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NEW PALTZ — Congressman John Hall (D-Dover Plains) fired one of his long-time campaign advisers Tuesday, after learning that she's embroiled in voter fraud investigations in Ohio.

Amy Little, 49, has been a registered Democrat in New York since 1991, and Ulster County election officials said she voted in the party primary here in February.

But in October, Little registered to vote in Ohio. On her registration paperwork, she indicated she moved from her home at 142 Guilford Schoolhouse Road in New Paltz to a place at 1979 N. 4th St. in Columbus, near Ohio State University.

That Ohio address also doubles as headquarters for a grassroots get-out-the-vote group called Vote Today Ohio. The organization's pro-Obama Web site says it targets "young people from campus/urban centers" and drives them to early voting sights in Ohio. The group also offers housing to out-of-town members.
post #68 of 81
Wow. Not only registration fraud, they got the dead actually voting in FL. Hopefully the rolls have been purged better than it sounds.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17848541/detail.html

Thousands of dead Floridians are registered to vote and some in Central Florida had ballots cast in their names long after their deaths.

"That is scary," said Jim Branch.

Branch's mother Marjorie died in 2004 but someone voted for her in 2006. Branch had tried to get his mother removed from the voter rolls.

"It was much easier for me calling Social Security and taking her off not getting any more checks here, than it was that (voter registration)," he sid.

County records show James Santiago voted in the 2006 general election. He too, was dead. His wife, Joann, sees this as an open invitation for voter fraud.

"I think it leaves it open to sign his name, during an election, especially an important one like this year," said Joann.

Channel Nine discovered 1,636 registered voters in Central Florida are dead.
post #69 of 81
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Wow. Not only registration fraud, they got the dead actually voting in FL. Hopefully the rolls have been purged better than it sounds.
It's too bad we can't find out who they voted for
post #70 of 81
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It's too bad we can't find out who they voted for
Maybe what's-her-name in the Ohio Child Support Enforcement Office could call a counterpart in FL.
post #71 of 81
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Maybe what's-her-name in the Ohio Child Support Enforcement Office could call a counterpart in FL.
Does she have email? Let's ask her
post #72 of 81
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Does she have email? Let's ask her
Then you might face some time in the Big House. Unless you have some connections in the White House that might can cut you some slack. Since it would be "for the greater good."
post #73 of 81
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Then you might face some time in the Big House. Unless you have some connections in the White House that might can cut you some slack. Since it would be "for the greater good."
OH...poo! I just want some insight on who the deceased want as President. Would make an interesting blog.
post #74 of 81
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
OH...poo! I just want some insight on who the deceased want as President. Would make an interesting blog.
The phrase about death and taxes comes to mind.
post #75 of 81
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Actually I was interested in Breal76's point of view since that is the person who made the statement but your response still doesn't answer the question why those people need to vote the most. The rest of us have a stake in the outcome of elections too, not just the homeless.
You're a very literal person aren't you? lol...Either that or you just like picking things apart.


I think Momofmamy said it best as to why I said that. I have a home, a nice job, fabulous insurance and money to go on vacations. While the election is important or should be important to all of us, someone who is homeless obviously needs to vote so perhaps they can get someone in charge who has a better system than what is going on for them right now as far as help. I can't get too into why I made that statement cause I am running late for work. So Momofmamy! Thank you! You said it well for me and I am leaving it at that.
post #76 of 81
While registration fraud is not a big crime and is usually useless (Mickey Mouse is NOT going to show up to vote), vote fraud is serious.

On a percentage basis, vote fraud is probably not a big problem. However, in some areas, there is enough illegal voting to be a concern.

I heard a discussion on this on NPR the other day, and one expert made the first point up above. Another expert asked him the question that goes right to the heart of the problem:

"Have you enjoyed the last eight years? Because I guarantee you I could go down in Miami and find 1,000 Cubans (and probably more) who voted illegally for George Bush in 2000. He was heavily supported by that community. And he won the election by 537 votes. So, had those votes not been cast illegally, Al Gore might have won. There MIGHT be enough illegal votes on the Democratic side to balance them out, but are you willing to bet on it?"
post #77 of 81
Just for the sake of clarity here. I was homeless in 2000 and I voted. I didn't think of it as voter fraud, but I went to the precinct of my last address and I voted there.

Obviously I think homeless people should be allowed to vote. In fact I don't understand why we have to have id with an address on it.

Voter fraud is generally very small. It's not enough to change an election.
post #78 of 81
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post

Obviously I think homeless people should be allowed to vote. In fact I don't understand why we have to have id with an address on it.

Voter fraud is generally very small. It's not enough to change an election.
Point #1: Most states have a way for the homeless to vote, but the address is a double check. If the guy in OH who was registered 70 times (he claims) gave 70 different address, odds are good he would get 70 registration cards and could vote 70 times.

Point #2: Did you read my message right above yours?
post #79 of 81
Maybe they should start using retinal scans to identify people. That way, you don't need an address, and you can't vote more than once. Either that or, instead of passing out a sticker that says I voted, stamp it on your hand with indelible ink.
post #80 of 81
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That ink thing would be construed as "the mark", people wouldn't go for that.

I really think homeless people should be allowed to vote, as long as you are an American citizen you should be allowed to vote. Just not more than once.
post #81 of 81
Some examples of fraud here, as well as how the system doesn't work to prevent it well.

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/17878347/index.html
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