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post #91 of 214
10/16/08 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by kittymonsters View Post
Actually the problem is that his voter registration has his last name being spelled Wo not the correct Wu. The clerk stated Joe has never bothered to correct his voter registration. Lots and lots of people are going to get a rude awakening this time around because election officals in all states are not supposed to let people vote if there are typos even.

Poor Joe put his foot in his mouth. I bet his boss get audited by the IRS this year. Since my brother-in-law has a plumming business, I am amazed that Joe and his boss's two person business is making 250,000 to 280,000 a year. This with Joe only having been doing plumbing for 6 years and not having a liscense or even having an apprenticeship.


This is another example of poor decision making by McCain. He didn't vet his Joe before so smuggly trotting him out last night. This is going to result in bad consequences for Joe and bad consequences for McCain.
I don't get why people think they are making that much money.
Have you not heard of overhead?
My brother has a small business and the first 17% of our mark up goes to overhead.

And News Flash, only one person, most likely the owner has to have the Contractor's license. The employees do not.

Not everyone has to be vetted, he is just an average guy, geesh.
post #92 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I respectfully disagree. John McCain could have put Jesus Christ himself up there last night and the MSM and the Obots would have crucified Jesus all over again.

It speaks volumes to me that the looney far left feels the need to tear this Joe the Plumber down and people can laugh at him for using his middle name and being late on his taxes, etc. Big deal, have any of you paid a bill late? I have.
But it sure does take the attention off Obama and his unsavory connections doesn't it? Just a big spin, and who cares if some innocent American get trashed in the bargain. Anything to win, right?

I hope you are not directing this at me personally, because the response you quoted is my personal reply to Neet. I personally do not think this was a plant and I further explained my personal feelings on the issue. What you quoted has nothing to do with anyones thoughts, beliefs or ideas but mine. I am not sure how you can respecfully diagree with what I am speaking of for myself. Are you telling me I don't know what I think?


I am not laughing at him using his middle name. Many people use their middle names. If you read my other post his problem is that his last name is wrong on his voter registration and he has never bothered to correct this.

No, I would not fail to make sure my voter registration is correct.

On to the taxes, I always pay all my taxes and make sure they are received early. Seems I am in the minority in that I have never payed a bill late, it is something I was taught not to do....ever. I most certainly would never pay my taxes late, not once, not twice and never leave them go long enough to have a lien put on me, twice.

Not paying one's taxes goes to character IMO. I am sure McCain didn't think he was talking about a tax evader last night. Sorry but that is what they call people that don't pay their taxes, no matter what the reason.

You need to remember it was McCain that made the big deal about Joe, McCain that put him in the spotlight last night. This is McCain's issue, he wanted it to be talked about today, just turns out it is being talked about in a manner different than he thought. What is happening todays is nobody's fault but John McCain's. Joe is getting collateral damage and even said he did not want to be brought up in that manner during the debates. It was not what he expected to happen. I don't think he asked to be McCain's poster child for the typical American chasing the dream.

It has nothing to do with taking the spotlight off Obama's so called unsavory connections. Obama had no problems answering those questions last night, I think he put these concerns to bed for most people. If he hadn't, his unsavory connections most certainly would be today's water cooler talk and not Joe the plumber.
post #93 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Thanks! Hopefully I'll be at Philadelphia public in a year or two.



The problem with not having a license is that he claims the business consists of him and only one partner/boss-- Al Newell. Neither of them is a licensed plumber in Ohio (and you must have a license to be operating legally). He says he doesn't need one since he works for someone, but that is false according to Ohio law. He is working on getting one, supposedly.

Basically, if he's a plumber, he's doing it illegally.

And as has been mentioned, it's more than just late. This is his second tax lien. That means he has a habit of just not paying his taxes. This is relevant only because the amount of his taxes was the only thing mentioned about him in the debate.

Also-- he is a professed McCain supporter, though he attempts to come off as an undecided voter.

What I would really like to know is what does all this stuff about "Joe the Plumber" have to do with anything? Does it negate his question about Obama's plan to spread the wealth? No, it doesn't.

I haven't heard anything about him being a "professed McCain supporter". Do you have something to support that?
post #94 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:14pm
AP has picked it up.

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As he leaned against the Dodge Durango SUV parked in his driveway Thursday morning, Wurzelbacher indicated to reporters who crowded around that he was a conservative, a fan of the military and McCain. He said meeting McCain would be an honor but said he hadn't been contacted by the Republican campaign.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...zQJLwD93RONUO0
post #95 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by luvmycat1 View Post
I don't understand why some of you are saying Obama was being "smug" I saw him as very calm, collected, and comfortable with what he was saying. On the other hand, it seemed all McCain could to was attack Obama in every way imaginable. It's all about who you can trust right, well I don't trust McCain one bit. I think behind that creepy grin and soft voice something not good is hiding. Sorry to those who support him but McCain gives me a bad vibe.

Yeah, he is probably hiding chronic pain from being tortured for five and a half years while serving his country. You think that maybe from constant torture he has maybe done more than his fair share of screaming
constantly for hours and days on end. Do you think that may be a remote possibility of why his voice could be like that.

Oh yeah, much better to insinuate that the war hero that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for years for, his country all his life, he must
be "hiding something not good"
How utterly disrespectful to a man that has given his entire life in service to his country.


And then we have Barack Obama and all his accomplishments......................................
post #96 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yeah, he is probably hiding chronic pain from being tortured for five and a half years while serving his country. You think that maybe from constant torture he has maybe done more than his fair share of screaming
constantly for hours and days on end. Do you think that may be a remote possibility of why his voice could be like that.

Oh yeah, much better to insinuate that the war hero that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for years for, his country all his life, he must
be "hiding something not good"
How utterly disrespectful to a man that has given his entire life in service to his country.


And then we have Barack Obama and all his accomplishments........................................................
I didn't see anywhere in her post where she was disrespecting the man for being a POW in Vietnam. She was just saying she didn't trust him. I don't trust him either. Just because he served in Vietnam and was a POW does not give him all the qualifications to be President.
post #97 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by kittymonsters View Post
I hope you are not directing this at me personally, because the response you quoted is my personal reply to Neet. I personally do not think this was a plant and I further explained my personal feelings on the issue. What you quoted has nothing to do with anyones thoughts, beliefs or ideas but mine. I am not sure how you can respecfully diagree with what I am speaking of for myself. Are you telling me I don't know what I think?


I am not laughing at him using his middle name. Many people use their middle names. If you read my other post his problem is that his last name is wrong on his voter registration and he has never bothered to correct this.

No, I would not fail to make sure my voter registration is correct.

On to the taxes, I always pay all my taxes and make sure they are received early. Seems I am in the minority in that I have never payed a bill late, it is something I was taught not to do....ever. I most certainly would never pay my taxes late, not once, not twice and never leave them go long enough to have a lien put on me, twice.

Not paying one's taxes goes to character IMO. I am sure McCain didn't think he was talking about a tax evader last night. Sorry but that is what they call people that don't pay their taxes, no matter what the reason.

You need to remember it was McCain that made the big deal about Joe, McCain that put him in the spotlight last night. This is McCain's issue, he wanted it to be talked about today, just turns out it is being talked about in a manner different than he thought. What is happening todays is nobody's fault but John McCain's. Joe is getting collateral damage and even said he did not want to be brought up in that manner during the debates. It was not what he expected to happen. I don't think he asked to be McCain's poster child for the typical American chasing the dream.

It has nothing to do with taking the spotlight off Obama's so called unsavory connections. Obama had no problems answering those questions last night, I think he put these concerns to bed for most people. If he hadn't, his unsavory connections most certainly would be today's water cooler talk and not Joe the plumber.
Oh yes, it is John McCain's fault because the loony far left have been shown to be what they are, nutcases. I got it now.
post #98 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by luvmycat1 View Post
I don't understand why some of you are saying Obama was being "smug" I saw him as very calm, collected, and comfortable with what he was saying. On the other hand, it seemed all McCain could to was attack Obama in every way imaginable. It's all about who you can trust right, well I don't trust McCain one bit. I think behind that creepy grin and soft voice something not good is hiding. Sorry to those who support him but McCain gives me a bad vibe.
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
I didn't see anywhere in her post where she was disrespecting the man for being a POW in Vietnam. She was just saying she didn't trust him. I don't trust him either. Just because he served in Vietnam and was a POW does not give him all the qualifications to be President.

Maybe re read her post and mine.
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I think behind that creepy grin and soft voice something not good is hiding.
Just what do you think would happen to one's vocal cords from constant screaming for hours a time while undergoing torture?
post #99 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't get why people think they are making that much money.
Have you not heard of overhead?
My brother has a small business and the first 17% of our mark up goes to overhead.

And News Flash, only one person, most likely the owner has to have the Contractor's license. The employees do not.

Not everyone has to be vetted, he is just an average guy, geesh.

If it is going to overhead it is not going to be taxed.

I spoke of my Brother-in-law's one person plumbing business. Yes, he has expensive equipment and overhead. He is the typical self employed American. Thankfully he is covered under my sister's employer health coverage. His income is nowhere near 250,000-280,000 dollars, and he has a successful business. In fact their combined incomes are nowhere near 250,000-280,000.

The money to be taxed an increase of 3% is only profits over $250,000. Profits after allowed write offs and deductions. If a two person business is making profits over $250,000 after overhead and deductions, yes I think that is a lot of money.

My step brother, my brother-in-law and two of my best friends all have their own small contracting businesses. All can be considered successful by anyone's standards, none of them will be affected by a tax increase from Obama, in fact all four of them will have decreased taxes under Obama's plan.

Your right, not everyone needs to be vetted. However McCain presented Joe as something he was not. People looked into it, wanting to know just who this person that got mentioned 19 times by John McCain alone last night really is. Turns out, he isn't who John McCain made him out to be.

McCain is still stumping today about how Joe the Plumber was the real winner in last night's debate. He doesn't seem to be aware that Joe himself doesn't feel like a winner having been put into last night's debate and today's spotlight.

This is what I have a problem with. McCain should have represented Joe as who Joe really is if he felt the need to use a real person. He didn't take the time to find out Joe's reality before putting him such a limelight. That is very poor decision making IMO. I personally would have been mortified if either candidate used me as such an example. I can assure you, if Obama had done the same thing, I would be saying the same about him today.
post #100 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by luvmycat1 View Post
I don't understand why some of you are saying Obama was being "smug" I saw him as very calm, collected, and comfortable with what he was saying. On the other hand, it seemed all McCain could to was attack Obama in every way imaginable. It's all about who you can trust right, well I don't trust McCain one bit. I think behind that creepy grin and soft voice something not good is hiding. Sorry to those who support him but McCain gives me a bad vibe.
Me too. He turns me off. His obsession with Obama is going to be his undoing. He should have spent more time discussing his positive traits. As I said many moons ago, Palin will hurt him. His experience argument was his best weapon and then he goes and picks Palin who is turning out to have questionable ethics and limited experience. The suspending of the campaign, the out of touch comments...were unlike him. He tried to be someone he isn't.
He also strikes me like a spoiled baby who feel offended that he did not get his way.
post #101 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Oh yes, it is John McCain's fault because the loony far left have been shown to be what they are, nutcases. I got it now.
Ok you are stepping over the bounds here. You failed to answer my questions.

I take it you are calling me personally a Loony far left nutcase, because I pointed out that it was John McCain who brought Joe into the limelight.

Please cite how it was someone other than John McCain that repeatedly brought up Joe in last night's debate, thus putting him in the limelight. In fact he said straight into the camera twice no less "your rich Joe, your rich".

How is that my fault? or Obamas? or the loony far left nutcases? How is that anyone's responsibility other than John McCain's? Why is it that anyone who feels John McCain made a mistake last night is now a far left nutcase?

I expect an answer directly to all of these questions or I would ask you to put me on ignore and quit quoting me if you are not going to reply to my questions when you do.
post #102 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:52pm
No, I am not talking about you, I am talking about all these idiots poking into this poor guy's personal life.

It is not John McCain's fault that the nutcases are trashing this poor guy for asking Obama a question.

McCain was talking to middle America and using Joe the Plumber as an example, it wasn't hard to figure out. The far left's actions are their fault not John McCain's, IMO.
post #103 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, I am not talking about you, I am talking about all these idiots poking into this poor guy's personal life.

It is not John McCain's fault that the nutcases are trashing this poor guy for asking Obama a question.

McCain was talking to middle America and using Joe the Plumber as an example, it wasn't hard to figure out. The far left's actions are their fault not John McCain's, IMO.
Cindy, quit apologetically explaining. You're gonna turn blue trying to explain yourself.
post #104 of 214
10/16/08 at 3:59pm
WHOA, FOLKS!

Everyone, please step back, and take a deep breath. We're in danger of getting too personal here. Please, if you have a bone to pick with another poster, do it privately. That's what the PM system is for.
post #105 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:01pm
For me, if you are going to use an real life example to make a point on a particular subject, the example should illustrate the point you are going to make. I am sure there is someone out there in the US that does have a business, that makes $250,000 in net revenue that McCain could have used. Someone on his staff should have vetted this man and found a suitable example. They could have tied it into the fact that credit is so hard to get and how they would fix that part of the economy. And if he wanted to make a hypothetical example that is fine then it should have been a hypothetical person not Joe. It couldn't image going into a business meeting to talk about the Earned Income Credit and use Bill Gates as an example. The example would not fit the what I am trying to talk about. It is unfortunate for Joe he was even brought into this but he is also going to have to live with the fact that now people want to know about him.
post #106 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, I am not talking about you, I am talking about all these idiots poking into this poor guy's personal life.

It is not John McCain's fault that the nutcases are trashing this poor guy for asking Obama a question.

McCain was talking to middle America and using Joe the Plumber as an example, it wasn't hard to figure out. The far left's actions are their fault not John McCain's, IMO.
Ok I think I see where you are going with this now.

Yes, I agree McCain wanted to use Joe as an example of middle America. However, Joe is not an example of middle America, at least not how he represented himself and how John McCain represented him.

McCain would have been far better off if he just made up a hypothetical person than using a real person.

I don't deny Joe his right to question Obama at all. I don't deny Joe his right to have his questioning put up on youtube. When McCain made such a big deal about Joe last night then Joe became the target of everyone. You can bet it is not just the far left who has been looking into Joe. In fact there have been a good number of McCain supporter just on this forum looking into him.

I personally think any candidate should never name a person specifically if they have not gotten permission from that person. Again, if Joe's name was not brought up, they are saying now 21 times by McCain, we would never be having this conversation. No one would be looking into Joe's background and be thinking Joe was a plumber making over 250,000 as McCain was implying last night.

Even Joe just admitted tonight (CBS news is on here right now) on camera that Obama's plan would actually lower his taxes.
post #107 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yeah, he is probably hiding chronic pain from being tortured for five and a half years while serving his country. You think that maybe from constant torture he has maybe done more than his fair share of screaming
constantly for hours and days on end. Do you think that may be a remote possibility of why his voice could be like that.

Oh yeah, much better to insinuate that the war hero that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for years for, his country all his life, he must
be "hiding something not good"
How utterly disrespectful to a man that has given his entire life in service to his country.


And then we have Barack Obama and all his accomplishments......................................
What McCain went through is a terrible thing yes I agree. That doesn't change the fact that I get a bad vibe from him. Besides I think at this point in time McCain doesn't care what he can do for America, he just wants to beat Obama.
post #108 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:18pm
That is all John McCain cares about, serving his country, that is all he has done his entire life.

And if he loses to Barack Obama, he will keep on serving his country because that is the kind of man he is.
post #109 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:18pm
OMG I just was watching my local network news and they 'declined' to interview Palin because the campaign wanted to pick the interviewer.

I'm so steamed..............

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Dear 207,

I can't believe that this news team 'declined' to interview Sarah Palin because they didn't want to have the McCain/Palin campaign select the interviewer. This news team let down their viewers by declining this interview. It's not a fair and balanced representation of electoral coverage.

In my speculation, they probably didn't want Rob Caldwell interviewing her because when he interviewed McCain he was downright rude. It was painful to watch. He was sarcastic and interrupted the candidate. I just watched Rob interview Obama and there was not a trace of that disrespect in that interview.
post #110 of 214
10/16/08 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Cindy, quit apologetically explaining. You're gonna turn blue trying to explain yourself.

Neet I asked Cindy for a personal explanation to me, as she was quoting my personal reply to you. The post where you implied you were disappointed that I too was saying this man Joe was a plant.

I don't mind debating issues, but if someone wants to call me, personally, a name, then just do it without beating around the bush and take the consequences for doing so.

Cindy was just clearing up she was not calling me personally names.

No problem with her view and she certainly doesn't need to apologize for her personal view. However if she was calling me names inappropriately then yes I do expect an apology.

I happen to agree with Cindy that everyone needs to be responsible for their words and actions.
post #111 of 214
10/16/08 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
My browser's just fine. Thanks for Bill Gates and Microsoft, capitalists they may be.

I saw no joke in what I quoted. Maybe in another thread you made a joke, but there wasn't one in that comment.
Oh well, it was meant as a joke. If you didn't get it, or appreciate it, it doesn't change the fact that's how it was meant.
post #112 of 214
10/16/08 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post

But he is still not saying who he is voting for. As has been pointed out by many not all Vets are voting for McCain.
post #113 of 214
10/16/08 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
For me, if you are going to use an real life example to make a point on a particular subject, the example should illustrate the point you are going to make. I am sure there is someone out there in the US that does have a business, that makes $250,000 in net revenue that McCain could have used. Someone on his staff should have vetted this man and found a suitable example. They could have tied it into the fact that credit is so hard to get and how they would fix that part of the economy. And if he wanted to make a hypothetical example that is fine then it should have been a hypothetical person not Joe. It couldn't image going into a business meeting to talk about the Earned Income Credit and use Bill Gates as an example. The example would not fit the what I am trying to talk about. It is unfortunate for Joe he was even brought into this but he is also going to have to live with the fact that now people want to know about him.
According to you, anyway.
post #114 of 214
10/16/08 at 8:07pm
Thread Starter 
I checked the board after work and was excited when I saw there were numerous new posts in this thread. After I started reading them my first reaction was WTH!? Joe the Plumber?

Okay, are we talking about Joe The Plumber, the savior of every housewife who has ever suffered from clogged drains? (I think he might be the Maytag repairman’s brother.)

Or….is it the stereotypical Joe The Plumber who steals beer from your refrigerator and pisses on your floor to make you think your toilet leaks.

Or… the guy who asked a question about raising taxes?

Personally, I don’t care. A point was being made. I get it.

Abortion is such an ugly issue. Personally I’ve never watched an aborted baby die. But I have watched viable kittens…from cats spayed at full term, expire. Believe it or not, something like that could likely be removed from this board. It might upset people. Hard to believe, isn’t it. But the whole time you’re watching I’ll tell you what goes though your mind. If people would be responsible, this wouldn’t be happening. I can’t be responsible for all of them, so better dead than born to a world that doesn’t want you. Still, I pictured them weeks later playing and wondered how I could be so selfish as to not take them in. Anyway, that’s OT.

What’s poor about this country is not the lack of money, it’s the fact that we piss it all away and then get excited about the prospect that someone promises to give us more…for nothing. Hard work, people. Credit cards are not for buying everything your heart desires. Homes are not to be refinanced every time you get a few bucks in equity. Disposable income doesn’t mean more money to buy drugs or beer.

Government sucks, but so do a lot of people. It annoys me that companies make the profits they do based on the ignorance of consumers. It also annoys me that people don’t have any concept of living within their means. We want to reform government, tax corporations, spread the wealth…but what are we going to do about all the beneficiaries of all this wealth who aren’t going to learn a thing from it all?

And yes, I'm not so ignorant as to realize there are honest to goodnesss poor people. Do me a favor by acknowledging there are just as many people (if not more) who have contributed to this mess by being plain lazy and stupid.

And yes, I'm sure this has just as much to do with the debate as the other posts.

Who me? Crabby?
post #115 of 214
10/16/08 at 8:07pm
Okay, so it looks like a lot of the earlier speculation about Joe was wrong. There doesn't seem to be very much linking him to Keating (which I figured there might not end up to be).

But what we do know about him:

-He is a professed Republican (Cindy, to answer your request http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...160418/-1/NEWS just below the picture) In his interview with Couric, he said the debate did not change his mind. He has yet to publicly (as in, officially on the record) admit his voting. But he has voted in Republican primaries, and said in his driveway to some reporters that he was a McCain supporter. He also says Obama sounds 'socialist' which doens't exactly sound like someone who was weighed his options equally.

-He lied about how much the business he wants to buy makes. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-plumber.html The business would COST 250,000$ ish to buy, not make that much in profit... meaning his question to Obama was a lie. Not that it invalidates the response if you disagree with it, since he was answering the question on the assumption that it was true. But it seems that he conveniently picked that number because it was the cutoff for a tax break. As I pointed out before, the difference is only a little anyway, and wouldn't prevent someone buying a business, but in "Joe's" case, he would get a tax break. And not be fined or forced to provide health care for his only employee.

-He owes back taxes to the state of Ohio for about $1,200. Once again, this is not just a couple days late on his bill. This means it has been sent to collections and he still didn't pay it. And this is the second time it's happened.

So... he had his own political agenda, and he's run with it with every idiot with a microphone. Did McCain know about it beforehand? That's the only question I care about now.
post #116 of 214
10/16/08 at 8:43pm
Z, relax, we need a break. McCain and Obama has a great night together, let's take a break with them tonight and laugh.
Watch those videos Momofmany posted, they are hilarious. We need to laugh too.
post #117 of 214
10/16/08 at 10:00pm
Ok, I'm so tired of Joe the plumber. I want to say something that I wish John Mccain would have mentioned. We hear all this garbage from Obama, that he is going to cut taxes and that it was the past 8 years of the Bush administration, that brought the goverment into such a huge debt. However, here are the problems with Obama's plans that no one seems to think about.
1) If he wants to start a national health care system of some sort, where is that money going to come from?? If he says the federal goverment will provide this, guess what, that will only ADD TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. However, there is one way to prevent that, TAX TAX TAX and more TAXES!!
2) Obama wants to further tax big corporations. Oh, this is real smart Guess what will happen?? Any ideas?? The corporations will cut their spending, to ofset the higher taxes eating away at their profits. This could mean the loss of Jobs and/or they will pass on this increased tax onto us, the consumer. Meaning the cost on goods will increase. Great idea huh??
3) Oh sure, we have all heard this one too. Lets tax the oil companies more!! Another huge stupid mistake Obama!! Guess what?? Tax the oil company and they will pass that on to us as well. Once again, higher prices at the pump!!
Obama's plans are bad, real bad. Another typical tax and spend democrat. Obama wants to blame all our problems on the Bush administartion, but how come nothing has changed, now that the Democrats have control of the house and Senate?
post #118 of 214
10/17/08 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
Ok, I'm so tired of Joe the plumber. I want to say something that I wish John Mccain would have mentioned. We hear all this garbage from Obama, that he is going to cut taxes and that it was the past 8 years of the Bush administration, that brought the goverment into such a huge debt. However, here are the problems with Obama's plans that no one seems to think about.
1) If he wants to start a national health care system of some sort, where is that money going to come from?? If he says the federal goverment will provide this, guess what, that will only ADD TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. However, there is one way to prevent that, TAX TAX TAX and more TAXES!!
2) Obama wants to further tax big corporations. Oh, this is real smart Guess what will happen?? Any ideas?? The corporations will cut their spending, to ofset the higher taxes eating away at their profits. This could mean the loss of Jobs and/or they will pass on this increased tax onto us, the consumer. Meaning the cost on goods will increase. Great idea huh??
3) Oh sure, we have all heard this one too. Lets tax the oil companies more!! Another huge stupid mistake Obama!! Guess what?? Tax the oil company and they will pass that on to us as well. Once again, higher prices at the pump!!
Obama's plans are bad, real bad. Another typical tax and spend democrat. Obama wants to blame all our problems on the Bush administartion, but how come nothing has changed, now that the Democrats have control of the house and Senate?
A majority of economists agree with his plan. Now with the bail out it changes things some but he has already explained where the money will come from.
post #119 of 214
10/17/08 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
According to you, anyway.
Yes it is IMO. And since I am one of the undecided voters and not so dead set on a candidate I think it was a mistake and doesn't show McCains's staff in a good light.
post #120 of 214
10/17/08 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
A majority of economists agree with his plan. Now with the bail out it changes things some but he has already explained where the money will come from.
Where did he explain that? I must have missed it because each debate I kept waiting for some kind of explaination. He said he was going to take a scalpel to cut away spending, but he never mentioned just which programs he was going to slice up. At least McCain says he's going to start cutting spending in the agencies themselves first.

To me, it's just common sense that is the government wants to start all these new programs that other programs will suffer because they aren't considered as important (probably the military will be the first to be cut), or people are going to be taxed more.
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