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I was so impressed I cried. The John McCain I've waited for finally showed up. I'm sure everyone has their own, or a different opinion, but it was what I've been waiting to see.
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only got to see little of it,
but mccain lost the corn lobby for sure lol
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but it was what I've been waiting to see.
That's all that matters
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I was so impressed I cried. The John McCain I've waited for finally showed up. I'm sure everyone has their own, or a different opinion, but it was what I've been waiting to see.

Very good debate both parties did a good job. I was impressed
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I was so impressed I cried. The John McCain I've waited for finally showed up. I'm sure everyone has their own, or a different opinion, but it was what I've been waiting to see.
Me too Cinder, me too.
post #6 of 214
McCain proved himself a petulant, desparate, sore loser.

Sooooooo surprising.
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I think Joe The Plumber is now famous.
post #8 of 214
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
McCain proved himself a petulant, desparate, sore loser.

Sooooooo surprising.
Between you and John McCain, I would definitely say you sound more petulant tonight . I somehow missed in your post where you discuss the debate or your candidate's performance.
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Between you and John McCain, I would definitely say you sound more petulant tonight . I somehow missed in your post where you discuss the debate or your candidate's performance, .
The OP was solely about an emotional response to McCain's comeback, so I assumed this thread was about McCain's performance. Would you have read a post about how I think Obama did pretty okay, and McCain was slightly less stellar than necessary? Didn't think so. Especially since when I give my opinion of McCain, somehow I'm petulant.

I don't really care what the far-right ilk think anyway-- the undecided voters thought Obama won by a complete landslide. So buy some kleenex, you'll need them on election day.
post #10 of 214
McCain said it all tonight when he said these words,

"It's all about who you can trust".
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McCain proved himself a petulant, desparate, sore loser.

Sooooooo surprising.
As one savvy person I know said, with McCain's childish eyerolling, smirks, and other obvious sarcastic body language, it makes one realize that we don't want him having his finger on "the button".
I was envisioning them in both black robes on a judges bench, deciding my sentence, and realized that I wouldn't want that kind of demeanor on the bench, let alone in the White House
post #12 of 214
Isn't it something how people's perception watching the same thing is so different. Because Obama's constant smirk drove me batty.
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So buy some kleenex, you'll need them on election day.
I'll buy a box big enough for the entire country. (The really savvy included)
post #14 of 214
and lets not talk obama, smug, rolling eyes and the i know better then everyone else look,along with his attempts at interrupting, other people. Obama lied so much made my teeth hurt( or it could just be the borken tooth i have, not sure which it was)

the only thing obama won on is health care.
post #15 of 214
I listened to a lot of it on the radio and I thought McCain sounded very well. Obama continues to strike me as a crooked used car salesman.

Now that I have that out of the way I'm going back to doing my homework.
post #16 of 214
I think the core hard right republicans are going to be very impressed with McCain tonight. I on the other hand, not so much.

I have to agree with Z and Cats, McCain's manner was a put off. Not professional and certainly not presidential.

Just as McCain was saying, it all comes down to who you trust I was thinking to myself I didn't trust or believe him at all. Just was not buying what he was selling today. He did much better in the first debate.

Although McCain was on the attack the whole debate, I though Obama deflected everything with sound reasonable answers. I came out of this debate feeling more confidence in Obama's ability to be President. I am not a fan of his, but I think tonight he did a good job and earned my vote. I still really don't like the fact that balanced budget isn't in either of their vocabularies.

The one line that threw me in the whole debate was McCain saying the "troops to teachers". As I understood this, part of the solution to the education problem should be to allow troops to be teachers without all that certification stuff. WHAT?????? Can someone please explain how serving in the military makes a person qualified to be a teacher?

Seriously, there is something scary about that. What other kooky ideas are in that head?

LOL IMP, I though McCain was constantly interrupting. Too funny we saw it the other way. This is not to say Obama didn't interrupt, but I had the count at about 10 McCain and 3 Obama. Will have to look at the transcripts to see how many it really was. I despise when people interrupt others. Big pet peeve of mine so I noticed it right away.
post #17 of 214
Well, I'm really disappointed in myself because I got involved in something, wasn't watching the time, and it was after 9:00 before I looked at the clock and realized I was missing it. Based on the little I did hear, as well as the post-debate commentary and the comments posted here, it sounds like I missed a good one. The first two were really too stiff and structured. I'm glad they got into more interaction -- that's they way people can see the differences in their plans and their leadership style.

It sounds like McCain learned some lessons from his woeful performance in the last debate. But even so, in the clips I saw, he still made my skin crawl.

Obama comes across as so much more "presidential"

Though....I'm still planning on not voting for either.
post #18 of 214
I listened to bits and pieces and wil watch the whole thing tomorrow night.

I thought it was a great debate - they actually debated!

DH and I cracked up when McCain said "I went and watch the blah team beat the blah team" (I don't know who the teams were", and Obama cut in with "good for you"

I also loved when McCain was talking about education and said something along the lines of "I want everyone to have the same opportunities as I did, and you (to Obama) and Cindy and *slight pause* your wife". I was waiting for him to say "you, know, what's her face, that one". He seemed as though he forgot Michelle's name.
post #19 of 214
But he knew Joe the Plumber's last name and it was a hard one.
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"you, know, what's her face, that one". He seemed as though he forgot Michelle's name.
i wish we could all forget what her name.
post #21 of 214
I'm watching the rerun now on Fox....interested to see how this turns out.
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LOL IMP, I though McCain was constantly interrupting. Too funny we saw it the other way. This is not to say Obama didn't interrupt, but I had the count at about 10 McCain and 3 Obama. Will have to look at the transcripts to see how many it really was. I despise when people interrupt others. Big pet peeve of mine so I noticed it right away.
I'm not a big fan of interrupting either, but at least they got some back and forth going. Having them seated closer together rather than standing apart might have had something to do with it. I felt like it was easier to watch. Walking around the stage and talking to people in the audience distracted me. And I know someone on this board is gonna be happy... I don't think I heard John say my friends, at least not that I noticed.
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Obama lied so much made my teeth hurt( or it could just be the borken tooth i have, not sure which it was)

the only thing obama won on is health care.
No, it wasn't your broken tooth, it was Obama's smug lies!! And his smug look made me want to get sick!! I gues he thinks everyone in this country believes his garbage. I don't think he won on health care either and I don't agree with it. If I heard it right (I was getting ready for work during this part) Obama wants to FORCE larger businesses to provide health care for their employees. This is wrong, the government needs to keep their hands out of that. While I agree, that health care is a huge problem, forcing an employer to provide it is wrong. Whats next? Forcing an employer to pay for their employees auto insurance, because after all, the employee uses their care to get to work!! We need to get the costs of health care down, especially prescription drugs. One thing should happen, is that all TV commercials for prescription drugs should be stopped!! Do you know how much just a 30 second commercial costs, especially during prime time? I'm talking THOUSANDS of dollars. Let the doctor's make the decision on what drug I may or may not need. Cutting back on all these frivolous lawsuits on doctors and other health care providers would help brings costs down too. Also, to encourage employers to provide health care. Why not give them a tax break for providing that benefit? That way, both win. The employee who gets much needed health care and the employer who gets a tax break by providing that benefit. I feel very very fortunate that I do get health care through my employer, but I do not feel the government should force them to do it.
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He seemed as though he forgot Michelle's name.
Who cares if he did? Like that even matters. I don't know her name either and I don't care to remember it. I hope in a month, we can forget the name Obama too!! His lies will put the final nail in this country's coffin.
Oh, I wonder if everyone knows that Obama took donations from Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack just before they went under.
If Obama wins, I won't be crying that's for sure. If the people elect him as president, then that was their choice that we have to live with for the next 4 years. We'll just have to deal with higher taxes, less spending money, loss of jobs, losing many of our freedoms that are left and learn to live in a socialist society where the goverment will rob peter and give it to whomever it sees fit. After all, he wants to "spread the wealth" don't ya know. I wonder if Obama will give me any of that wealth?? No wait, my wife and I both work our butts off, I guess we will be the ones robbed.
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We'll just have to deal with higher taxes, less spending money, loss of jobs, losing many of our freedoms that are left and learn to live in a socialist society where the goverment will rob peter and give it to whomever it sees fit.
Too late, it already happened under our current president. It's in all the papers.
post #25 of 214
If you missed it here is a transcript:
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008d.html
You get the text but of course not the body language.

I think if you supported a candidate going in then you probably supported him coming out of it.

What I want to know is if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six-Pack.
post #26 of 214
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I don't really care what the far-right ilk think anyway-- the undecided voters thought Obama won by a complete landslide. So buy some kleenex, you'll need them on election day.
Wow. I can't say I'm surprised that you don't care about the far-right or that you feel the need to be sarcastic to others who don't share your opinion, but I am concerned that you think undecideds went for BHO by a landslide. Several reports I saw had him changing very few minds. Heck even AOL's straw poll now has McCain ahead in the election 54-44.

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Too late, it already happened under our current president. It's in all the papers.
WOW. As a result of 8 years of Clinton's loosening of the rules. Oh yeah, and a few bad guys blowing up some things a few years ago, so we had to defend ourselves.

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What I want to know is if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six-Pack.
Wow, I woulda thought you knew who he was, your guy BHO was talking to him on TV just the other day???? It was pretty obvious McCain was talking about that "average guy", just so happens that one has a name.

I said WOW three times in one post. I must be flabbergasted.
post #27 of 214
FWIW - my radio station this morning (CBC Canada) said Obama showed himself to be calm, cool and collected whereas McCain visibly lost his temper and control at times and was nasty at times which didn't show him in a very favourable light.

I know, I know - you folks don't care what we think of your elections or candidates, but I just thought I'd share that information with you.
post #28 of 214
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FWIW - my radio station this morning (CBC Canada) said Obama showed himself to be calm, cool and collected whereas McCain visibly lost his temper and control at times and was nasty at times which didn't show him in a very favourable light.

I know, I know - you folks don't care what we think of your elections or candidates, but I just thought I'd share that information with you.
I care what you think. No man is an island.
Obama 3 for 3. I was proud of him and love his calm, cool and collected personality. McCain needs to take some lessons in Anger Management like David Gergen said. By all accounts Obama won the debate. The numbers have been crunched and it seems like Obama won at Fox, CNN and CBS polls especially the independent vote and getting better favorability ratings with McCain's numbers really down in the dumps there. McCain came across as an angry old man again. The double screen was not his friend. The eye rolling, sighing and body language reminded me of how obnoxious Gore was in 2000.
sara-I laughed at the good for you part too.
Sometimes it did look like Obama was chuckling at McCain and I am sure it was strategy to get under his skin and it worked.

Cinder you are right. He cut down on the my friends although he sneaked one in though and I could see his face kind of go 'whoops'.
post #29 of 214
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I think Joe The Plumber is now famous.
And I hope his business doubles because of his 15 minutes of fame!

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But he knew Joe the Plumber's last name and it was a hard one.
He knew his name, but he didn't know how to pronounce it. I heard the correct pronunciation on NPR this morning.

Here's a link to the story of Joe. There is a link to the full video clip from this site.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...amous-joe.html
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The one line that threw me in the whole debate was McCain saying the "troops to teachers". As I understood this, part of the solution to the education problem should be to allow troops to be teachers without all that certification stuff. WHAT?????? Can someone please explain how serving in the military makes a person qualified to be a teacher?

Seriously, there is something scary about that. What other kooky ideas are in that head?
That part was absolutely horrifying. Since NCLB-- which McCain also intends to strengthen rather than reform, which is a bad idea and if you want to know why ask ANY teacher in America-- we have to pass quite a few tests, we have to have at least a BA, hours and hours of classroom experience, a specific set of classes, etc. One of the tenets of NCLB is that teachers must be 'quality' and must have a lot of this training. I agreed with what they said about getting the bad teachers out of there, but you have to have the funding to hire their replacement!

Basically, the military-to-teaching thing would completely violate the NCLB and almost all states' laws. Maybe some sort of accelerated program would be acceptable that would allow them to apply their military experience as a couple course credits... I don't know. I didn't realize you had to have a BA/BS and pass the Praxis to go into the military, or that you had to have classroom experience.

McCain can't be serious about this-- what would happen is if schools were actually willing to hire such unqualified teachers, they would do so at reduced salary and leave me and my MS in education and all my experience and Praxis passing out with no job.

I don't think this plan will cut it. Especially since ex-military should be going to school tuition-free, if they want to be teachers.
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