I was so impressed I cried. The John McCain I've waited for finally showed up. I'm sure everyone has their own, or a different opinion, but it was what I've been waiting to see.
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Wow, now THAT was a debate
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only got to see little of it,
but mccain lost the corn lobby for sure lol
but mccain lost the corn lobby for sure lol
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10/15/08 at 8:38pm
McCain proved himself a petulant, desparate, sore loser.
Sooooooo surprising.
Sooooooo surprising.
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I think Joe The Plumber is now famous.

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Between you and John McCain, I would definitely say you sound more petulant tonight . I somehow missed in your post where you discuss the debate or your candidate's performance, .
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I don't really care what the far-right ilk think anyway-- the undecided voters thought Obama won by a complete landslide. So buy some kleenex, you'll need them on election day.
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McCain said it all tonight when he said these words,
"It's all about who you can trust".
"It's all about who you can trust".
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I was envisioning them in both black robes on a judges bench, deciding my sentence, and realized that I wouldn't want that kind of demeanor on the bench, let alone in the White House

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Isn't it something how people's perception watching the same thing is so different. Because Obama's constant smirk drove me batty.
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and lets not talk obama, smug, rolling eyes and the i know better then everyone else look,along with his attempts at interrupting, other people. Obama lied so much made my teeth hurt( or it could just be the borken tooth i have, not sure which it was)
the only thing obama won on is health care.
the only thing obama won on is health care.
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I listened to a lot of it on the radio and I thought McCain sounded very well. Obama continues to strike me as a crooked used car salesman.
Now that I have that out of the way I'm going back to doing my homework.
Now that I have that out of the way I'm going back to doing my homework.
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I think the core hard right republicans are going to be very impressed with McCain tonight. I on the other hand, not so much.
I have to agree with Z and Cats, McCain's manner was a put off. Not professional and certainly not presidential.
Just as McCain was saying, it all comes down to who you trust I was thinking to myself I didn't trust or believe him at all. Just was not buying what he was selling today. He did much better in the first debate.
Although McCain was on the attack the whole debate, I though Obama deflected everything with sound reasonable answers. I came out of this debate feeling more confidence in Obama's ability to be President. I am not a fan of his, but I think tonight he did a good job and earned my vote. I still really don't like the fact that balanced budget isn't in either of their vocabularies.
The one line that threw me in the whole debate was McCain saying the "troops to teachers". As I understood this, part of the solution to the education problem should be to allow troops to be teachers without all that certification stuff. WHAT?????? Can someone please explain how serving in the military makes a person qualified to be a teacher?
Seriously, there is something scary about that. What other kooky ideas are in that head?
LOL IMP, I though McCain was constantly interrupting. Too funny we saw it the other way. This is not to say Obama didn't interrupt, but I had the count at about 10 McCain and 3 Obama. Will have to look at the transcripts to see how many it really was. I despise when people interrupt others. Big pet peeve of mine so I noticed it right away.
I have to agree with Z and Cats, McCain's manner was a put off. Not professional and certainly not presidential.
Just as McCain was saying, it all comes down to who you trust I was thinking to myself I didn't trust or believe him at all. Just was not buying what he was selling today. He did much better in the first debate.
Although McCain was on the attack the whole debate, I though Obama deflected everything with sound reasonable answers. I came out of this debate feeling more confidence in Obama's ability to be President. I am not a fan of his, but I think tonight he did a good job and earned my vote. I still really don't like the fact that balanced budget isn't in either of their vocabularies.
The one line that threw me in the whole debate was McCain saying the "troops to teachers". As I understood this, part of the solution to the education problem should be to allow troops to be teachers without all that certification stuff. WHAT?????? Can someone please explain how serving in the military makes a person qualified to be a teacher?
Seriously, there is something scary about that. What other kooky ideas are in that head?
LOL IMP, I though McCain was constantly interrupting. Too funny we saw it the other way. This is not to say Obama didn't interrupt, but I had the count at about 10 McCain and 3 Obama. Will have to look at the transcripts to see how many it really was. I despise when people interrupt others. Big pet peeve of mine so I noticed it right away.
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Well, I'm really disappointed in myself because I got involved in something, wasn't watching the time, and it was after 9:00 before I looked at the clock and realized I was missing it. Based on the little I did hear, as well as the post-debate commentary and the comments posted here, it sounds like I missed a good one. The first two were really too stiff and structured. I'm glad they got into more interaction -- that's they way people can see the differences in their plans and their leadership style.
It sounds like McCain learned some lessons from his woeful performance in the last debate. But even so, in the clips I saw, he still made my skin crawl.
Obama comes across as so much more "presidential"
Though....I'm still planning on not voting for either.
It sounds like McCain learned some lessons from his woeful performance in the last debate. But even so, in the clips I saw, he still made my skin crawl.
Obama comes across as so much more "presidential"
Though....I'm still planning on not voting for either.
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I listened to bits and pieces and wil watch the whole thing tomorrow night.
I thought it was a great debate - they actually debated!
DH and I cracked up when McCain said "I went and watch the blah team beat the blah team" (I don't know who the teams were", and Obama cut in with "good for you"
I also loved when McCain was talking about education and said something along the lines of "I want everyone to have the same opportunities as I did, and you (to Obama) and Cindy and *slight pause* your wife". I was waiting for him to say "you, know, what's her face, that one". He seemed as though he forgot Michelle's name.
I thought it was a great debate - they actually debated!
DH and I cracked up when McCain said "I went and watch the blah team beat the blah team" (I don't know who the teams were", and Obama cut in with "good for you"

I also loved when McCain was talking about education and said something along the lines of "I want everyone to have the same opportunities as I did, and you (to Obama) and Cindy and *slight pause* your wife". I was waiting for him to say "you, know, what's her face, that one". He seemed as though he forgot Michelle's name.

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But he knew Joe the Plumber's last name and it was a hard one. 

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I'm watching the rerun now on Fox....interested to see how this turns out.
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LOL IMP, I though McCain was constantly interrupting. Too funny we saw it the other way. This is not to say Obama didn't interrupt, but I had the count at about 10 McCain and 3 Obama. Will have to look at the transcripts to see how many it really was. I despise when people interrupt others. Big pet peeve of mine so I noticed it right away.
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Obama lied so much made my teeth hurt( or it could just be the borken tooth i have, not sure which it was)
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Oh, I wonder if everyone knows that Obama took donations from Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack just before they went under.

If Obama wins, I won't be crying that's for sure. If the people elect him as president, then that was their choice that we have to live with for the next 4 years. We'll just have to deal with higher taxes, less spending money, loss of jobs, losing many of our freedoms that are left and learn to live in a socialist society where the goverment will rob peter and give it to whomever it sees fit. After all, he wants to "spread the wealth" don't ya know. I wonder if Obama will give me any of that wealth?? No wait, my wife and I both work our butts off, I guess we will be the ones robbed.
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If you missed it here is a transcript:
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008d.html
You get the text but of course not the body language.
I think if you supported a candidate going in then you probably supported him coming out of it.
What I want to know is if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six-Pack.
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008d.html
You get the text but of course not the body language.

I think if you supported a candidate going in then you probably supported him coming out of it.
What I want to know is if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six-Pack.
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I don't really care what the far-right ilk think anyway-- the undecided voters thought Obama won by a complete landslide. So buy some kleenex, you'll need them on election day.
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Too late, it already happened under our current president. It's in all the papers.
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What I want to know is if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six-Pack.
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I said WOW three times in one post. I must be flabbergasted.
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FWIW - my radio station this morning (CBC Canada) said Obama showed himself to be calm, cool and collected whereas McCain visibly lost his temper and control at times and was nasty at times which didn't show him in a very favourable light.
I know, I know - you folks don't care what we think of your elections or candidates, but I just thought I'd share that information with you.
I know, I know - you folks don't care what we think of your elections or candidates, but I just thought I'd share that information with you.

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FWIW - my radio station this morning (CBC Canada) said Obama showed himself to be calm, cool and collected whereas McCain visibly lost his temper and control at times and was nasty at times which didn't show him in a very favourable light.
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Obama 3 for 3. I was proud of him and love his calm, cool and collected personality. McCain needs to take some lessons in Anger Management like David Gergen said. By all accounts Obama won the debate. The numbers have been crunched and it seems like Obama won at Fox, CNN and CBS polls especially the independent vote and getting better favorability ratings with McCain's numbers really down in the dumps there. McCain came across as an angry old man again. The double screen was not his friend. The eye rolling, sighing and body language reminded me of how obnoxious Gore was in 2000.
sara-I laughed at the good for you part too.

Sometimes it did look like Obama was chuckling at McCain and I am sure it was strategy to get under his skin and it worked.
Cinder you are right. He cut down on the my friends although he sneaked one in though and I could see his face kind of go 'whoops'.
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And I hope his business doubles because of his 15 minutes of fame! 
He knew his name, but he didn't know how to pronounce it. I heard the correct pronunciation on NPR this morning.
Here's a link to the story of Joe. There is a link to the full video clip from this site.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...amous-joe.html

He knew his name, but he didn't know how to pronounce it. I heard the correct pronunciation on NPR this morning.
Here's a link to the story of Joe. There is a link to the full video clip from this site.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...amous-joe.html
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The one line that threw me in the whole debate was McCain saying the "troops to teachers". As I understood this, part of the solution to the education problem should be to allow troops to be teachers without all that certification stuff. WHAT?????? Can someone please explain how serving in the military makes a person qualified to be a teacher?
Seriously, there is something scary about that. What other kooky ideas are in that head? |
Basically, the military-to-teaching thing would completely violate the NCLB and almost all states' laws. Maybe some sort of accelerated program would be acceptable that would allow them to apply their military experience as a couple course credits... I don't know. I didn't realize you had to have a BA/BS and pass the Praxis to go into the military, or that you had to have classroom experience.
McCain can't be serious about this-- what would happen is if schools were actually willing to hire such unqualified teachers, they would do so at reduced salary and leave me and my MS in education and all my experience and Praxis passing out with no job.
I don't think this plan will cut it. Especially since ex-military should be going to school tuition-free, if they want to be teachers.
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