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post #1 of 111
10/15/08 at 12:30pm
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Since we're throwing around accusations about Sen. Obama, how about this one on McCain.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cliff-...m_b_99014.html

"It's good to know where the Senator stands on this issue (at least today). In my book, The Real McCain: Why Conservatives Don't Trust Him And Why Independents Shouldn't, I recount McCain' questionable past on issues of race his entire career. From the many years he rejected a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday (pretty much the entire 70s and 80s) to his serial flip-flops on the Confederate Flag in 2000 (which he admits he did for political reasons -- no way, not you Johnny!) to his close association with a white supremacist named Richard Quinn, who found himself hired as a political advisor by McCain in 2000 (and still is from what I can tell) after openly praising David Duke (he called him a "maverick") selling t-shirts praising the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and writing/editing for a magazine (Southern Partisan) that reminded us that slave masters just really weren't all that bad."

Now, I haven't done any research on this because I just came across it. I'm just so fed up with all the lies, innuendos, half truths, etc. being flung at Senator Obama, I just thought I would throw this out for discussion. After all, if it's good to examine all aspects of one candidate's life, it should be the same for the other guy as well.
post #2 of 111
10/15/08 at 12:45pm
Yes, and McCain has his own "Ayers" - though McCain is actually friends with G. Gordon Liddy (who did more to undermine confidence in the U.S. than just about any other political figure ever): With Friends Like These.... (Chicago Trib)

Laurie
post #3 of 111
10/15/08 at 12:48pm
(Although it's really not a laughing matter). At least Obama didn't hire any of his questionable relationships as advisors.

Laurie
post #4 of 111
10/15/08 at 1:20pm
But, Misty, don't you know you can only link to things obviously biased towards the right links? And if you post something that obviously striving to be unbiased, it's still biased unless I agree with it?

Also, if it's about McCain, it's just a rumor, whereas if it's about Obama, it means he's dangerous! And of course McCain has all kinds of friends after he's been in politics so long, we shouldn't hold it against him. Obama though is responsible for every single action of every single acquaintance.

Oh, and I almost forgot-- for it to be true about McCain, it must be the sort of evidence that would hold up in the court of law. If I wasn't an eyewitness, it didn't happen. But if it's about Obama, I will take the word of anyone with a tinfoil hat and an internet connection as absolute fact and not even bother to think about checking it out for myself.
post #5 of 111
10/15/08 at 1:32pm
And of course the strategy is not to allow any discussion of McCain's or Palin's flaws to take place, so the tactic has been to change the subject as quickly as possible to the evil Obama / Ayers connection.
post #6 of 111
10/15/08 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
But, Misty, don't you know you can only link to things obviously biased towards the right links? And if you post something that obviously striving to be unbiased, it's still biased unless I agree with it?

Also, if it's about McCain, it's just a rumor, whereas if it's about Obama, it means he's dangerous! And of course McCain has all kinds of friends after he's been in politics so long, we shouldn't hold it against him. Obama though is responsible for every single action of every single acquaintance.

Oh, and I almost forgot-- for it to be true about McCain, it must be the sort of evidence that would hold up in the court of law. If I wasn't an eyewitness, it didn't happen. But if it's about Obama, I will take the word of anyone with a tinfoil hat and an internet connection as absolute fact and not even bother to think about checking it out for myself.
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
And of course the strategy is not to allow any discussion of McCain's or Palin's flaws to take place, so the tactic has been to change the subject as quickly as possible to the evil Obama / Ayers connection.
Behave yourselves! Otherwise, yet another thread is going to be thrown into the MOAT [Mother Of All (political) Threads]!
post #7 of 111
10/15/08 at 1:43pm
My prediction? This thread ends up in the MOAT!

Laurie
post #8 of 111
10/15/08 at 1:54pm
You guys are funny. McCain is the American war hero who has served his country his entire life.

The Huf-Po is, well, a hate site.

But whatever floats your boat. No worries
post #9 of 111
10/15/08 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
My prediction? This thread ends up in the MOAT!

Laurie
Probably. Only three more weeks to go, fortunately!
post #10 of 111
10/15/08 at 2:04pm


OK back on topic.
Quinn does not look like a savory guy to be associated with at all.
McCain Campaign Paid $50,000 to a White Supremacist
post #11 of 111
10/15/08 at 2:13pm
dailykos, LOL, worse than Huf-Po if that is possible. I read some of the comments. They do love to throw that "Bi" and "Ba" word around. Some people like that kind of site, myself I don't enjoy reading cursing every other word. But, hey whatever floats your boat I guess.
post #12 of 111
10/15/08 at 4:05pm
And the man that McCain hired last week to be his transitioning manager worked for Saddam Hussein. Let's see if that one makes it off the blogs to national news!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_134595.html
post #13 of 111
10/15/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
dailykos, LOL, worse than Huf-Po if that is possible. I read some of the comments. They do love to throw that "Bi" and "Ba" word around. Some people like that kind of site, myself I don't enjoy reading cursing every other word. But, hey whatever floats your boat I guess.
Hey Cindy, I agree about Arianna Huffington 100%. I've not done much research on her, but she's out there.
post #14 of 111
10/15/08 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
dailykos, LOL, worse than Huf-Po if that is possible. I read some of the comments. They do love to throw that "Bi" and "Ba" word around. Some people like that kind of site, myself I don't enjoy reading cursing every other word. But, hey whatever floats your boat I guess.
I did not go to the trouble to navigate to the page with the comments, I only read the article which was on the link I posted. It did not have one single bad word, nope nope nope.
post #15 of 111
10/15/08 at 5:14pm
dailykos, and Huf-Po , are couple of the worst sites out there.
as for mccain and the KKK, keep trying.
post #16 of 111
10/17/08 at 6:18am
Arianna Huffington used to be a huge McCain supporter and they used to be close friends. It is not a hate site. It is a left site, as is Daily Kos. If they were hate sites they would not be featured on news programs nor would they have nationally respected journalists writing for them.
No different than right leaning blogs. Just a different point of view.

That is terrible about McCain and he only further loses points with me because of it. He should have rebuked them.
post #17 of 111
10/17/08 at 7:42am
Whatever happened to David Duke? We never seem to hear anything of him anymore. Is he still in prison?
post #18 of 111
10/17/08 at 1:46pm
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Whatever happened to David Duke? We never seem to hear anything of him anymore. Is he still in prison?
It's funny you should ask that - I was just wondering about him the other day, as a colleague told a class that the KKK was no longer in existence . Duke has a website http://www.davidduke.com/ with his usual anti-Semitic/racist drivel. WARNING: HATE-FILLED
post #19 of 111
10/17/08 at 2:16pm
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It's funny you should ask that - I was just wondering about him the other day, as a colleague told a class that the KKK was no longer in existence . Duke has a website http://www.davidduke.com/ with his usual anti-Semitic/racist drivel. WARNING: HATE-FILLED
Oh, they are very much in existence. Come on over and visit sometime. I can take you to the farm where they have their "cross lighting" services, and can show you one of the little cards they leave under the pickup flag of your mailbox telling you to "rest easily, as the Imperial Knights of the Ku Klux Klan are watching over your neighborhood". They may not be the national organization they once were, but there are assemblies of anywhere from a few to a few hundred all over the southern and south eastern states. There is a group in Tennessee that is supposed to number in the thousands, but I've not seen that myself. They even have "Klan TV" on the internet.
post #20 of 111
10/17/08 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Oh, they are very much in existence. Come on over and visit sometime. I can take you to the farm where they have their "cross lighting" services, and can show you one of the little cards they leave under the pickup flag of your mailbox telling you to "rest easily, as the Imperial Knights of the Ku Klux Klan are watching over your neighborhood". They may not be the national organization they once were, but there are assemblies of anywhere from a few to a few hundred all over the southern and south eastern states. There is a group in Tennessee that is supposed to number in the thousands, but I've not seen that myself. They even have "Klan TV" on the internet.
My colleague kind of threw me for a loop when he said that, and I had to contradict him when the class told me what he'd claimed. I was a "bit" surprised - he's a German who spent several years teaching in Tennessee, so you'd think he'd at least be aware of the KKK, especially since most of the neo-Nazi literature that turns up in Germany is printed in the U.S.. I have a collection of video footage of Klan rallies in PA and NY (so it's not just the South), and of KKK members on a U.S. talk show, complete with toddlers dressed in white sheets, as well as of Farrakhan and (recently added) Wright speeches, the Simpson trial, L.A./Rodney King riots, etc., that I use for social studies classes. I really make an effort to avoid painting the U.S as a stereotypical "racist society" nowadays, while pointing out that racism is still an issue for some people, and I was gobsmacked when he denied that.

Racism is a very touchy subject in many European countries, too, and denying its existence is no remedy.
post #21 of 111
10/17/08 at 7:57pm
Racism is alive and well anywhere on earth. One of my professors was doing a book on neo/racist skinhead/supremacist groups in Russia and Scandinavia. It was terrifying what he was finding.

In class last night, one of our classmates pointed out that the fifth Google result for Dr King is a hate site run by a very well-known hate forum/webpage.

It seems that as long as there are people, some will find a reason to hate a group with some difference from them and blame everything wrong in their own life on them.

Then again, McCain was on the board for this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_A...mmunist_League
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/...in_iran_contra

Talk about boards you may regret later...
post #22 of 111
10/17/08 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Racism is alive and well anywhere on earth. One of my professors was doing a book on neo/racist skinhead/supremacist groups in Russia and Scandinavia. It was terrifying what he was finding.

In class last night, one of our classmates pointed out that the fifth Google result for Dr King is a hate site run by a very well-known hate forum/webpage.

It seems that as long as there are people, some will find a reason to hate a group with some difference from them and blame everything wrong in their own life on them.

Then again, McCain was on the board for this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_A...mmunist_League
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/...in_iran_contra

Talk about boards you may regret later...
It doesn't help that he was against the MLK holiday. He has tried to make amends with the AA community and I truly do not believe he is a racist but he has some unfortunate historical ties.
post #23 of 111
10/18/08 at 6:08am
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It doesn't help that he was against the MLK holiday. He has tried to make amends with the AA community and I truly do not believe he is a racist but he has some unfortunate historical ties.


Before this thread came up, I actually didn't know that he'd voted against it
post #24 of 111
10/18/08 at 7:31am
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Before this thread came up, I actually didn't know that he'd voted against it
Yes. For a long time Arizona was a hold out about making it a holiday. It is a disappointment.
post #25 of 111
10/18/08 at 9:01pm
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It doesn't help that he was against the MLK holiday. He has tried to make amends with the AA community and I truly do not believe he is a racist but he has some unfortunate historical ties.

He has repeatedly expressed regret for initially voting against the MLK holiday and in 1990 he fought for an Arizona state ballot measure to recognize MLK Day.
post #26 of 111
10/18/08 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
It's funny you should ask that - I was just wondering about him the other day, as a colleague told a class that the KKK was no longer in existence . Duke has a website http://www.davidduke.com/ with his usual anti-Semitic/racist drivel. WARNING: HATE-FILLED
I thought it was against the rules to post links to awful sites like that.

***shrugs***
post #27 of 111
10/18/08 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Racism is alive and well anywhere on earth. One of my professors was doing a book on neo/racist skinhead/supremacist groups in Russia and Scandinavia. It was terrifying what he was finding.

In class last night, one of our classmates pointed out that the fifth Google result for Dr King is a hate site run by a very well-known hate forum/webpage.

It seems that as long as there are people, some will find a reason to hate a group with some difference from them and blame everything wrong in their own life on them.

Then again, McCain was on the board for this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_A...mmunist_League
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/...in_iran_contra


Talk about boards you may regret later...
I didn't look at the link, but I am anti-Communism myself, what is your point?
I would much rather be anti-communist than hang out with old washed up terrorists. LOL
post #28 of 111
10/18/08 at 10:48pm
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He has repeatedly expressed regret for initially voting against the MLK holiday and in 1990 he fought for an Arizona state ballot measure to recognize MLK Day.
But on this measure, and his stance on the confederate battle standard being part of the state flags in some southern states, he truly made it appear that he had pandered to the popular. Then later on, when the subjects became more "politically correct", he changed direction and either apologized or even championed them.

How can we possibly know that he will not do that again? Disregarding what is right to take the politically expedient route of tradition or popularity?
post #29 of 111
10/18/08 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
But on this measure, and his stance on the confederate battle standard being part of the state flags in some southern states, he truly made it appear that he had pandered to the popular. Then later on, when the subjects became more "politically correct", he changed direction and either apologized or even championed them.

How can we possibly know that he will not do that again? Disregarding what is right to take the politically expedient route of tradition or popularity?
Very good point.
It makes his shift during this campaign disturbing too. He has lost all of the things that people liked about him originally to pander to a base in order to get elected. His unwise VP choice is an example.
post #30 of 111
10/18/08 at 11:27pm
he never shoud have changed his mind about the confederate Flag just to be PC.
its is part of history,
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