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post #1 of 29
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this is what a feminist looks like.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/...looks-like.php
post #2 of 29
One strong woman supporting another.
post #3 of 29
More like one dumb woman supporting another!

Sorry gentlemen, but as someone who is X-chromosome gifted and who didn't have anything handed to me (and had to fight my own battles) I think the President of CA NOW is right on target.

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As President of California NOW and as a member and officer of Los Angeles NOW, I can assure you that there is no local or state affiliate of NOW, including LA NOW, which endorses or supports the McCain/Palin ticket. John McCain and Sarah Palin oppose many of the rights and freedoms we have fought for throughout NOW's 42 years, and we will not be pushed back to the days of back-alley abortions, forced pregnancies, and pay discrimination without remedy.
http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/1...pports-ob.html
post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
More like one dumb woman supporting another!

Sorry gentlemen, but as someone who is X-chromosome gifted and who didn't have anything handed to me (and had to fight my own battles) I think the President of CA NOW is right on target.


http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/1...pports-ob.html
women and minorities in the last 40 years.have had more handed to them on a silver platter, then anyone else in the course of human events.
post #5 of 29
You got that right Bruce. American women are a big, bunch of whiners.
We have more than 99% of people on Earth and still we whine. How pathetic are we?

Someone told me that Sarah Palin couldn't be a feminist because she is
pro-life Oh Really, just who made that rule.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
More like one dumb woman supporting another!

Sorry gentlemen, but as someone who is X-chromosome gifted and who didn't have anything handed to me (and had to fight my own battles) I think the President of CA NOW is right on target.


http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/1...pports-ob.html
Since when is Neet a gentleman?

And are you saying this isn't true? Are you really saying that?
post #7 of 29
Of course, you are 100% incorrect but I think you know that and just want to argue.

I won't argue it here just for that reason.

I am 43 and haven't had anything handed to me, ever. And, I am willing to fight for the right of those who aren't rich and white (and usually male) to get equal treatment.

'Nuff said.
post #8 of 29
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your not that much older then me.
Try appling for school grant or loan, and have people laugh and say your the wrong color and sex to get.

try beating people on a job test by 40 points and be told, sorry you have to be black or female to get a job here. if people made the choice not to take advantage of those , its not my problem

so your willing to fight, for eveyone else,just not whites and males?
that is just as sexist and racist as the other way is.
post #9 of 29
I did get school loans and grants because I was poor. No one told me I couldn't have them because I was not of color.

Actually, I have never had the experience of having a person of color chosen over me. However, I have experienced many employers who don't pay me as much as the men doing the same job. Also, I have heard many sexist comments about women not being able to "work" as well as men.

Yes, I would not like to see anyone discriminated against. That would be a beautiful world. Fact is, there is more discrimination against people of color and women. That is just a fact. One just has to be willing to open their eyes to it. Many white men will not, in my experience. I am related to some of those men. The same men that say "Anyone can get ahead if they just try hard" are the same men who sit around complaining that no one will cut them a break. Interesting double standard there. I had several uncles that did that constantly while drawing welfare. They hated everyone of color, thought women were below them yet complained.

Of course, I am coming at this from a poverty-level/working-class perspective. I have no experience in the middle-class or wealthy circles of any color. Circumstances may be different in those realms, but I doubt it is much different. They just dress it up and make it pretty.
post #10 of 29
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equal pay for eqaul work can be a issue.
However from personal experience, people dont want to be treated equal.

old job i was boss at, new people always got the same job, it was hot, and dirty. New women got the same job, i was the only boss that would not take them off that job. Why should i punish guys that had been there longer? if they cant do the job, there is the door.

i also notied that when i wrote a white guy , i was a A******** , to other i was racist or sexist. end result was, they did not like being treated equal.

i dont know what class has to do with it, we have poor, to rich in are family. But on thing in common seems to be, if you want something get a job and go get it. If you dont make enough money, then get a second job, or a better one. Dont expect hand outs. People where judged by how hard you worked, from the coal miner to the UAW guy to the Nurse, doctor, judge. Air force officer.
and everthing in the middle.

i had 2 uncles that due to health issues where unable to work, everyone in the family always helped out, my mother even payed for my cousins books in college. they also gave us in return.
in return, i was taught how to raise i garden, how to hunt, how to keep bees. Each can give.

in terms of family i cant relate to the type of thinking your talking about. I have seen , and been around it, but yea i cant relate to it.

i also can not relate to hiring , promting people based on sex or race, but that is just how i am.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Since when is Neet a gentleman?
Oops! Sorry about that! My apologies neetanddave! Here is an anecdote which I hope will make up for it.

Years ago was the lone female professor on an arch-conservative engineeering faculty. And before each and every faculty meeting the Dean would say "Gentlemen, please take your seats," - which by the way didn't bother me in the least since I never made abig deal about my gender. Then he would look at me and make a big show of how he had forgotten all about me and fall all over himself apologizing. "Oh, excuse me, I forgot we have a lady in our midst." To which I would always reply, "It's ok, I've been called much worse things than a gentleman."

Anyway...
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And are you saying this isn't true? Are you really saying that?
Not sure what you meant by saying something isn't true. If Mandel wants to endorse Palin personally that is her business, but it does not represent an endorsement by NOW.

Being a female doesn't automatically make you a feminist. I resent the attitude that says that just because there isa female on one of the tickets that I should vote for the body parts instead of the platform. If anyone has a good record on improving women's lives in this country, it is Joe Biden.

This site has the most concise listing of some concrete issues he has worked on.
http://feminist.org/news/newsbyte/us...y.asp?id=11251

I suppose if Phyllis Schafly were running for high office I'd be a traitor to my gender for not giving her my vote either.

ckblv I wonder why you keep bringing up the whining - in case you are refering to me I'd like to point out that I am too busy keeping my small business running (the one that I started 6 years ago) to bother with stuff like that, not that it was ever my style anyway. I won't bore you guys with my life's story but I sure did not get anything "handed to me on a silver platter."
post #12 of 29
Color and sex has something to do with it but money trumps everything.
What kills me is when people can't get over the fact that maybe the female, disabled or the person of color got the job because they were better than you.
When I ran a business I made a point to hire the best people for the job and I ended up with a diverse staff. Merit based too. Oh I had some of the white guys tried to accuse me of playing unfair but I didn't. You have to like the person you hire and they proved to me with their petty claims that I made the right decision in not hiring them.

Sarah Palin is no feminist. She has her husband acting as a shadow governor.
HE seems to be pushing the agenda pretty hard in her administration.
She is a woman who is a governor.OK. But her bonafides don't add up to feminist.
Her Pro-life stance in case of rape and incest is against women. She cut teen pregnancy programs in her state. Rather ironic. Her policies don't match up.
It is an insult to women to think we are going to vote for her just because she is a woman. That is insulting to women who have accomplished things in the name of women.
Joe Biden has done more for women than any other the candidates. This is true.
post #13 of 29
Not referring to you 2dog, unless you are a whiner.

That is why I said, "American women"

But really, I think all of us (as in me, too) are whiners. We have it made, even most of the poor have it better than most of the world.
We need to count our blessing more and complain less.

We could be living in Kenya, Darfur, Bangladesh, India, and many, many other countries.
post #14 of 29
Well, we will see how it works under Communist rule when Obama is elected.
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Color and sex has something to do with it but money trumps everything.
What kills me is when people can't get over the fact that maybe the female, disabled or the person of color got the job because they were better than you.
When I ran a business I made a point to hire the best people for the job and I ended up with a diverse staff. Merit based too. Oh I had some of the white guys tried to accuse me of playing unfair but I didn't. You have to like the person you hire and they proved to me with their petty claims that I made the right decision in not hiring them.

Sarah Palin is no feminist. She has her husband acting as a shadow governor.
HE seems to be pushing the agenda pretty hard in her administration.
She is a woman who is a governor.OK. But her bonafides don't add up to feminist.
Her Pro-life stance in case of rape and incest is against women. She cut teen pregnancy programs in her state. Rather ironic. Her policies don't match up.
It is an insult to women to think we are going to vote for her just because she is a woman. That is insulting to women who have accomplished things in the name of women.
Joe Biden has done more for women than any other the candidates. This is true.
Please name one "teen pregnancy program in her state" that she cut.

I am a woman and it is not an insult to me, that is just your opinion.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Who are you to say Sarah Palin "is no feminist"? That is, also, just your opinion.

Link below, Titled, "What is a Pro-Life Feminist?"

http://www.gargaro.com/lifefem.html

Snip below:

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"Feminist" is a tricky term to use today - many women who are independent, support equal opportunity, and fight against injustices such as rape and abuse would consider themselves feminists. However, today's definition of "feminism" as defined by groups such as NOW, reject women who do not fit into their specific and radical idea of feminism. For instance:
post #16 of 29
That's the first good laugh I've had all day.

Sarah Palin is a feminist?



And if women are supposedly getting handed things on a silver platter, can someone tell me where to get in line? Because I've worked for everything I have, and I have for as long as I can remember. My mother told me that I would have to work twice a hard as any man for half as much in return, and that's what I did. And that's what I've found to be true. So if the freebies are FINALLY coming my way, tell me where to pick them up.
post #17 of 29
Oh, I forgot to mention, Sarah Palin is a member of "Feminists For Life"

So, no matter what the NOW Femi-Nazi's say, you can be a Feminist and be Pro-Life.

post #18 of 29
#1: I do not expect a female candidate to emphasize "women's issues" (such as equal pay, violence against women, right to choose etc) as part of her agenda.

#2: I do not expect a female candidate or for that matter a male candidate to agree with my views on any or all of those issues.

#3: I am getting more than a little tired of people trying to tell that I should support Palin because she and I have similar body parts and that I should somehow be thrilled about her nomination as a victory for womanhood.

NOW has been organized for quite some time and they have a right as much as anyone else to endorse a ticket based on their agenda. But frankly if Palin were male it wouldn't change my opinion one bit.

By the way, thank you for the belly laugh ckblv, I've been called plenty of things but never a whiner. I wouldn't so much say that we have turned into a nation of whiners as much as there are too many people who think that you can get somewhere and have a good life without putting real effort into it. And I don't think that gender has anything to do with it.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Please name one "teen pregnancy program in her state" that she cut.

I am a woman and it is not an insult to me, that is just your opinion.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Who are you to say Sarah Palin "is no feminist"? That is, also, just your opinion.

Link below, Titled, "What is a Pro-Life Feminist?"

http://www.gargaro.com/lifefem.html

Snip below:
Here is the link about her slashing programs for teen moms and slashed a program to prevent teen pregnancies:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09
/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html

Who am I to say she is no feminist? A person who believes feminism means giving a woman the right to choose what to do with her body. A feminist is not someone who blames another woman for her own stupid answers during an interview. SP doesn't believe in sex education. She slashed programs to help teen mothers overcome that obstacle and go on to get job training so that they could care for their babies, no abortion in cases of incest and rape. She doesn't even represent women well the way they have her sequestered so that no one can talk to her. No feminist would allow that.


But this section is called IMO. That is all we are giving here. Our opinions.
I have no idea why the right keeps pushing this Palin is a feminist thing...oh wait yes I do they want to get Hillary voters over to their side.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
She cut teen pregnancy programs in her state. Rather ironic. Her policies don't match up.

Now, now CC12, we have already been through the above issue in this forum. It has been proven to be a total lie put out by who knows who. Just in case you missed it, here is your proof that the above is totally untrue.

http://www.covenanthouseak.org/press_release_9_4_08.pdf
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Here is the link about her slashing programs for teen moms and slashed a program to prevent teen pregnancies:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09
/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html

http://www.covenanthouseak.org/press_release_9_4_08.pdf

The Washington Post's credibility has been irreparably damaged, can't believe a thing they print.
They are one step below The National Enquirer.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
http://www.covenanthouseak.org/press_release_9_4_08.pdf

The Washington Post's credibility has been irreparably damaged, can't believe a thing they print.
They are one step below The National Enquirer.
Covenant House doesn't appear to be a non-partisan, government organization. http://www.covenanthouseak.org/

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I really, really hope this post is not because the organization speaks of their belief in God.

Aren't these the kinds of fait based organizations that John McCain is in favor of?
I've evolved from a good little Catholic girl into an agnostic, so that probably does play a role.
post #23 of 29
And the Washington Post IS?

Pardon me if I believe them over the Washington Post
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Covenant House doesn't appear to be a non-partisan, government organization. http://www.covenanthouseak.org/
I really, really hope this post is not because the organization speaks of their belief in God.

Aren't these the kinds of faith based organizations that John McCain is in favor of?
post #25 of 29
I'm having trouble getting past a big gray blotch in the center of the video shown, and the weird proportions of the audience. It might be due to my computer, but...I don't trust my eyes. Is anybody else having the same issues?
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Color and sex has something to do with it but money trumps everything.
What kills me is when people can't get over the fact that maybe the female, disabled or the person of color got the job because they were better than you. .
hmm no, my female friend scored 67 on the same test as me. She was hired.
lol great you have ATC people who got the lowest scores ahaha,

and i had a copuple of old friends, They are the ones that told me to hang it up, That the faa was hiring women and black first. ( in case you missed the news, the FAA was sued and lost over this issue in the late 80's what kills me is when people, seem to think that if happens to a male its funny.

AS has been proven, most can not hang when they are treated equal.
post #27 of 29
I do not call myself a feminist. I am just a person who has equal rights with men. In other words, a woman. Does that make any sense?

I don*t recall ever having anything *handed* to me because I am a woman. Oh, wait a minute: men do hold doors open for me!
post #28 of 29
I think each and every person in this country should feel blessed to be born here. No one is fighting for food, no one is starving to death. Even most of our poorest poor have TV's, cars and cell phones.

Now, before people start getting all riled up, I know there about the homeless problem. I also know that many people prefer to live that way. Many are mentally ill. Many want and need help and a hand up and I believe in helping them. But there are shelters and places for anyone to go to get fed.

We cannot, honestly, compare ourselves to the suffering of 3rd World countries.
post #29 of 29
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yes we can, the left and big business is doing everything they can to reduce us to the same level as the third world
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