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post #1 of 8
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I'm probably splitting hairs here, but I'm seeking opinions on a new ALL STAGES dry food. I have a 13 month old and a 3 month old, and I currently feed about 60% wet - 40% dry. The wet is Nature's Variety Instict. I would like the dry to be grain free, but I do not want anything that has more than 40% protien. There were two that fit this requirement: Merrick's Before Grain (which I can't get around here) and Fromm's Surf and Turf (which is just out of my budget).

Sso the ones listed below are with grains.

Currently Feeding Wellness Adult (in the blue bag):
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Rice, Ground Barley, Ground Rice, Chicken Fat(preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Natural Chicken Flavor, Salmon Meal, Chicken Liver, Cranberries, Tomato Pomace, Olive Oil, Chicory Root Extract, Cranberry Extract Powder, Cranberry Fiber, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Hydrochloride, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Taurine, Rosemary Extract.
Crude Protein Not Less Than 36.0%
Crude Fat Not Less Than 18.0%
Crude Fiber Not More Than 3.0%
Moisture Not More Than 11.0%

Here are the 4 options:

1. Chicken meal, brown rice, cracked pearled barley, peas, millet, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), turkey meal, potato protein, lamb meal, egg product, natural flavor, flaxseed, ocean fish meal, potassium chloride, choline chloride, methionine, taurine, sun cured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, organic selenium, papaya, pineapple.

CALORIES: 477 per cup
Crude Protein (min.) 32.00%
Crude Fat (min.) 20.00%
Crude Fiber (max.) 2.50%
Moisture (max.) 10.00%

2. Chicken Meal, Chicken, Brown Rice, Duck Meal, Barley, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Potatoes, Carrots, Lamb Meal, Salmon Meal, Canola Oil, Natural Flavor, Dried Egg, Brewers Yeast, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Spinach, Parsley Flakes, Cranberries, L-Lysine, L-Carnitine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Protein minimum 34%
Fat minimum 18%
Fiber maximum 3%
Moisture maximum 10%

3. Chicken, Chicken Meal, Pearled Barley, White Rice, Chicken Broth, Sweet Potato, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Whole Dried Egg, Potato, Pea Protein, Dried Tomato Pomace, Salmon Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Carrots, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Apples, Lecithin, Chicken Cartilage, DL-Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Cranberries, Blueberries, Salt, Chicory Root Extract, Alfalfa Sprouts, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Folic Acid, Parsley, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Longum, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcous Faecium, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Bitartrate, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite

CALORIES 420 per cup
Protein 32% Min
Fat 19% Min
Fiber 3.5% Max
Moisture 10% Max

4. Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, Ground Flaxseeds, Montmorillonite Clay, Natural Chicken Flavor, Alfalfa Meal, Chicken Liver, Potassium Chloride, Sea Salt, DL-Methionine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Apples, Cottage Cheese, Chicken Eggs, Cranberries, Freeze Dried Chicken, Freeze Dried Turkey, Freeze Dried Turkey Liver, Freeze Dried Turkey Hearts, Pumpkinseeds, Ground Chicken Bone, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Rosemary Extract, Sage, Clove.

CALORIES 450 per cup
Crude Protein (min): 34.0%
Crude Fat (min): 20.0%
Crude Fiber (max): 2.5%
Moisture (max): 10.0%

Thanks for any opinions!
post #2 of 8
Originally Posted by kittysback View Post
I do not want anything that has more than 40% protien.
Oh, as I understand, it is only Orijen who has 41 percent proteins, most of them animal proteins. (thus Orijen is really playing in the highest league among dry foods. although the purists prefer a simpler table of ingredience).

This mean, practically any other dry foods will have less then 40% proteins.
Typically about 32.

All four you write up are better then average. I suspect nr 2 and 3 have higher ratio of animal proteins and fats - and thus could be preferred.
Fat, 20 is good, especielly for the kitty. 18 should be ok.

Too low fat is often the weak point of many, otherwise rather good, cat foods.
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
I missed Orijen in my research, I guess that's because I can't get it around here.

What is preferred -- white rice or brown rice?
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Another food I just looked into was Innova (in the red bag) -- the first three ingredients are Turkey, Chicken Meal, and Chicken.
Crude Protein (min) 36 %
Crude Fat (min) 20 %
Crude Fiber (max) 2.5 %
Moisture (max) 10 %
537 calories per cup
post #5 of 8
I was going to suggest EVO by Innova (thats what i feed), but it has 50% protein. That seems like alot. I thought more protein is better?
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
The reason I didn't want to go with Evo, was because when the older one was on it, she had diarrhea, even though I had switched slowly. I had felt that it was just too rich for her, so that was my reasoning for going with something lower.

The Innova (in the red bag, not the grain free) says Adult on the bag in the store, even though it says for Cats and Kittens on their website.

Which made me take a look at the ingredients between Wellness Adult and Wellness kitten. The igredients are exactly the same, and the nutrition percentages are almost identical.
post #7 of 8
Riley eats a mix of 3 dry foods. 2 of them grain free.


and Taste of the wild
post #8 of 8
Hmm. Have you looked at Organics by nature? :] I love that food, it's been my favorite on my adventures thus far, and my kitty loves it.

Crude Protein (minimum) 32%
Crude Fat (minimum) 12%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4%
Moisture (maximum) 10%
Ash (maximum) 7%
Magnesium (maximum) 0.10%
Copper (minimum) 35 mg/kg
Manganese (minimum) 35 mg/kg
Zinc (minimum) 200 mg/kg
Vitamin A (minimum) 17,600 IU/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 165 IU/kg
Taurine (minimum) 0.15%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min.)* 0.50%
Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min.)* 3.50%

Ingredients: Organic Chicken, Chicken Meal, Organic Ground Barley, Organic Ground Oats, Organic Brown Rice, Fish Meal, Organic Chicken Hydrolysate, Organic Peas, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Natural Flavors, Chicken Fat (Stabilized with Mixed Tocopherols), Salt, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Organic Dried Tomatoes, Organic Cranberries, Organic Carrots, Organic Kelp, Organic Spinach, Dried Chicory Root, Turmeric, Niacin Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Rosemary Extract, Dried Yeast Fermentation Solubles.
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