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post #1 of 29
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I love to get peoples opinions about this because so many have their own beliefs about this, and i would like to hear yours...

IMO, there are too many galaxies, and too many planets in the universe for ours to be the ONLY one with life. i watch alot of shows about UFO sightings and stuff like that, and i very much believe some of the people who talk about it. the pictures ive seen, and the videos too, it looks real & tho there isnt any real proof, i think the UFOs in the pics are real. I was just watching a show on the National Geographic channel, & they were talking about how some peple believe that even if there was other life out there, there is no way they could travel here, because we cant travel to other galaxies. so the aliens cant. most think of aliens to be more advanced in technology than we are, so why would they think they couldnt travel here? i think its true.

What do yuo guys think? Do you think aliens are real?
post #2 of 29
Yeah, I have to admit, I do, sort of. I lived in a town with some weird cattle mutilations and such, so that's probably where I get that!
post #3 of 29
There was a similar thread some months back. I'll just repost what I said in there:

The study of Astronomy is like history: the study of things past. Only with astronomy we have no idea what the current situation is because of the vast distance and time required (thousands, millions, billions of years) for light and sound to travel to our mini planet.

Unless faster than light (FTL) or forms of ultra-space traversal are possible - despite what all of the SciFi genre promotes heavily - there is little chance of any two sentient species from different planets meeting unless the planets reside in the same solar system. Calculations of the time required just to jump from one galaxy to the next at light-speed is in the millions of years (!). That pretty much rules out extra-galactic invasion without FTL travel. Heck, the travel time to the nearest star at light-speed is something like 4 years (at more realistically possible speeds it may take 20 to 40 years).

Interestingly, the situation is bleak just by merit. Like evolution on Earth that took a long time (and stable conditions) for a sentient species to evolve (4.5 billion years), I think that the universe operates in similar ways. It is very probable that conditions weren't stable enough for so many billions of years (of the estimated 15.5 billion) for planetary systems to evolve. Also, theory shows that elements of more complex types required long times to accumulate by the dying of many stars. In other words, sentient lifeforms may not have been possible more than 5 or 10 billion years ago which would mean that sentient lifeforms may only 'now' be popping up in the universe due to stability and a rich source of elements. And since the universe is like a history machine, each sentient lifeform would be practically isolated by several factors: expansion of the universe and speed at which light (EM) travels.

For instance, a sentient lifeform 5,000 light years away would need to have peaked technologically at least 5,000 years ago (our time) for us to receive any transmissions. And for them to receive our transmissions they would need to have survived technologically for 10,000 years beyond that (think of the two planets separated by 5,000 (light) years each travelling along parallel lines of time (upward for future let's say). Their signal leaves at A and arrives at Earth 5,000 years later in which time both have moved 5,000 years along the timeline. We respond with a signal back that takes another 5,000 years to arrive at A. Not exactly instant communications.

So do I think they saw UFO's? They certainly saw something and because they can't identify it that means it's an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Does that mean this object was "Extraterrestrial"? No. Just regular air crafts and the mind playing tricks. Nothing more.

Does that mean there aren't other lifeforms out there somewhere? It would be arrogant to think that we are alone in this vast space. But those on other planets are probably struggling with their own limitations for space exploration, just like we are. Will we ever meet with one another? Doubtful unless we can each overcome the limits of time and space travel.

For those that don't know about "light years":

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A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
Now if a place is 10 light years away, that is more than 100 trillion km! It would take you 10 years travelling at a constant speed of 300,000 km/second to reach that destination.
Then there is the whole "mass" problem

The more you accelerate towards the speed of light, the more massive and the more energy required to propel the mass. That's why the only thing nearing light speed is, well, light (massless particles). By the time you're moving 80% the speed of light you'll need a couple million spare stars for power.

Longetivity, modes of transport, take-it-all-with-you are all speculative unfortunately. The problem with the latter 'entire biosphere' ideology is that, for instance, Earth isn't a closed system. It has been fed by asteriods, comets, dust, solar radiation, and extra-solar radiation for billions of years. Life on Earth is dependent completely on the Sun - ignoring vent life and subsurface microbes. So, you'd essentially want to take your entire solar system out for a spin - what would you use for propulsion?

I know I sure wouldn't want to come face to face with any species that has the ability to throw their solar system around like a football. And where would they park it? I'm sure that we would notice if a solar system was parked in our back yard,
post #4 of 29
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IMO, there are too many galaxies, and too many planets in the universe for ours to be the ONLY one with life
That's exactly how I feel about it. IMO, there's no way that we can be the only lifeform in a never-ending universe.
post #5 of 29
sure i do , they just keep coming accross the borders all the time.


oh you mean space aliens, maybe.

"A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
Now if a place is 10 light years away, that is more than 100 trillion km! It would take you 10 years travelling at a constant speed of 300,000 km/second to reach that destination.

Then there is the whole "mass" problem"


that is based what we think, not what we know, and based on current tech. i am sure 100 years ago people did not think people would ever fly, or break the sound the barrier. I remember reading books where some of the wolds top people said the sound barrier could never be broken.
well in truth it could not be with there current tech.

so maybe , maybe not
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
That's exactly how I feel about it. IMO, there's no way that we can be the only lifeform in a never-ending universe.

we are no the onlyi lifeform, we have cats.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
that is based what we think, not what we know, and based on current tech. i am sure 100 years ago people did not think people would ever fly, or break the sound the barrier. I remember reading books where some of the wolds top people said the sound barrier could never be broken.
well in truth it could not be with there current tech.

so maybe , maybe not
Well, just to be sure we're accurate (we ARE talking science, right?), the Wright brothers first flew 105 years ago, and the Montgolfier brothers invented the balloon in 1783, so flying was not all that shocking 100 years ago.

OK, picky enough.

But it's true the study of astronomy is a study of history. There are undoubtedly stars we are admiring at nigh that are no longer in existence. Earlier this year, there was a supernova that was visible here on earth; I believe that star actually died 7.5 billion years ago.

I believe there is likely life elsewhere. I see no real reason to assume they're a lot more or less advanced than us, but I can make arguments on either side. But they're not visiting us, of that you can be sure.
post #8 of 29
Yes I believe there are other beings. To think we are the ONLY people in this universe is a bit nieve IMO.

And DH had an encounter with aliens when he was about 10 yrs old (including several of his brothers and sisters). They saw a UFO land (or crash) into the lake when living on the Indian reservation. And the last they remember for a few hours was seeing an alien (DH thinks it was a good 7 feet tall - taller then normal person) coming up the path to the lake and approaching their trailer home.

The next thing they know all the kids woke up at the same exact time. It was about 3-4 hrs later.

We did a little researching for UFO encounters in the month/year this happened. We found an article about someone traveling north of where the lake was and the car problems they had as the UFO came really close. They also mentioned that when the UFO left (and the car started again) 3 smaller UFO's left the main one - and the directions they headed. One or two of them were headed in the direction of the lake where DH lived. Good chance it was one of those smaller UFO's that crashed or landed in the lake and that is what they saw.
post #9 of 29
Thre has to be other life out there. Religon has put the kibosh on that, God created this world and yadda yadda..
Moving back to a place I can see the sky, in all its glory I wonder who is looking back at my part of the sky. We are just a blue smudge, how much more is out there? We have discovered life on this planet where none is suppoed to live (Black smokers, lots of life there, in the ocean,they live on nitrogen who a thunk i)
We are not alone.
post #10 of 29
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Thre has to be other life out there. Religon has put the kibosh on that, God created this world and yadda yadda..
Not necessarily. I have heard Jesus words, "Other sheep have I that are not of this fold," as a reference to life on other planets.

Of course, that's the danger of interpreting anything.
post #11 of 29
I don`t believe but I know someone who believes they built the Pyramids
post #12 of 29
You mean "aliens" as in life on other planets, right? Statistically, that has to be true.
post #13 of 29
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And the last they remember for a few hours was seeing an alien (DH thinks it was a good 7 feet tall - taller then normal person).
Yes, most people on this show who had said they had encounters, said that the aliens were really tall. they were saying around 8-10 ft tall though.

And they were also saying how people think they cant come here because nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. they were talking about wormholes & vortexes that could get them here faster. idk, i dont understand alot of science. it wasnt my best subject
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by KiTTYL0VE4 View Post
I love to get peoples opinions about this because so many have their own beliefs about this, and i would like to hear yours...

IMO, there are too many galaxies, and too many planets in the universe for ours to be the ONLY one with life.

I agree entirely with this statement.
post #15 of 29
Since the Bible speaks of "angels" before man was created, I kinda think those just might be the "aliens" that are visiting us. We really don't know what the true form of an alien may be - just that they are different then man. They may be capable of changing their appearance somewhat as the angels that visited man in the Old Testament looked similar to us - enough for us not to be totally afraid of them.
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Since the Bible speaks of "angels" before man was created, I kinda think those just might be the "aliens" that are visiting us. We really don't know what the true form of an alien may be - just that they are different then man. They may be capable of changing their appearance somewhat as the angels that visited man in the Old Testament looked similar to us - enough for us not to be totally afraid of them.
There was a show on Discovery Channel or the History Channel about this very thing. You might want to watch it if you haven't already.
post #17 of 29
My parents were out hunting one year - probably close to 40 years ago - and before going to bed, they took a walk and saw what looked like city lights spread out all over the basin. They didn't THINK they were that close to the city and were confused. The next morning, they checked again, and there was NOTHING there...
post #18 of 29
When I was younger I believed in them, but I believed a lot of things. I do not any more.
post #19 of 29
Coco I'd love to have seen that. We only have the very basic cable (as we don't watch much tv) and so we can't get those channels
post #20 of 29
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Not necessarily. I have heard Jesus words, "Other sheep have I that are not of this fold," as a reference to life on other planets.

Of course, that's the danger of interpreting anything.
Jesus also said "In my Fathers house there are many rooms" I take that to mean that all religions lead back to the source, but look how many wars are fought over this simple concept. Untilthe 60's I could have been thrown in jail for being a Pagan. Could also mean there is life besides our little planet. Ezekel talks of wheels in the sky. Now I dont know that aliens come to call on us, but you never know, if they are anything like us, they are adverturers, seeking out what can be found in the unknown. *cue Star Trek music* Space, the final frontier....
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Not necessarily. I have heard Jesus words, "Other sheep have I that are not of this fold," as a reference to life on other planets.

Of course, that's the danger of interpreting anything.

I was just thinking of this when you posted this. I don't know if there is other worlds out there. But I feel it is very vain of us to think we are the only ones. I believe in creation but who are we to say that God didn't create other lifeforms in other galaxies? The Bible says that God said "Let us make man in our image" Does this say we are the only intelligent life? NO.

Thinking about this reminded me of an experience I had over 30 years ago, just before I met DH. I was out driving with a friend and we wanted to just go for a drive. Her daughter was asleep in the back seat. We were way out in the bluffs when we noticed a bunch of lights down in the ravine by the river. As we were driving, her headlights suddenly went off. They came back on a few seconds later just to go off again several times. She drove back to the city and stopped at an all night gas station. That was back before all the stations were self serve and there was an attendant that actually knew about cars. He checked the connections and everything was normal. About a half hour later, she drove out to the same area. The lights in the ravine were gone and her headlights stayed on. She never had anymore problems with her headlights. We always thought it was aliens on the side of the road taking samples and they did not want to be seen. It was a very strange.

DH tells me of a time he was visiting relatives in Minnesota and saw a UFO going up in the stars with flames shooting out of the back. It wasn't coming toward the earth but shoot off into stars.
post #22 of 29
Ooooo that is so cool!!! I have seen things I cannot explain, Of course the pat answer is "weather ballon" But nothing that made light go out! Sorry, but that delights me! I would love to MEET an alien, I would be so afraid, but not, I don't think other beings would come all this way just to kill us, what would be the point?
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Well, just to be sure we're accurate (we ARE talking science, right?), the Wright brothers first flew 105 years ago, and the Montgolfier brothers invented the balloon in 1783, so flying was not all that shocking 100 years ago.

OK, picky enough.

lol 90% of the people never saw or heard one. so for most people it was very shocking. so no.
post #24 of 29
I am happy just gazing at the stars because they are the 2nd most beautiful thing i know... but i think its possible for alien life to exist. My grandfather owns a ranch in south Texas in a small town called el souse close to Mexico and one night when I was a young boy, about 11 or 12 it was late at night and we saw an orange light in the sky and it moved so fast stayed and then it was gone... Everyone in my family thinks we made it up but was scary and it was very real.... angel? i think not...
post #25 of 29
Do I believe in aliens? Absolutely. The statistics are just too strong to reject it. Just consider how many planets are in our solar system and then consider how many solar systems there could be in the universe. It is very probable that there are more planets capable of supporting a form of life. Out of the potential billions upon billions of planets out there, Earth can't be the only one which can support life.
post #26 of 29
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Thre has to be other life out there. Religon has put the kibosh on that, God created this world and yadda yadda..
i've been a Christian for over 30 years, & read my Bible numerous times during those years. i've also attended church on a regular basis during that time.
i've never heard a pastor say this, & there's absolutely nothing in the Bible saying that this world is the one & only.
C. S. Lewis, a noted Christian author, actually wrote a trilogy of science fiction novels based on the idea that there WERE other worlds out there...
post #27 of 29
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Thre has to be other life out there. Religon has put the kibosh on that, God created this world and yadda yadda..
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sorry but you gonna have to prove that. I have never seen or head any such statements since even the pope said if there are such a thing as aliens it does not take away faith in god,
post #28 of 29
I think the universe is too vast to eliminate the possibility of extraterrestrial life. I am not sure that that extraterrestrial life is intelligent and capable of awesome sci-fi feats of space travel, but I am positive that there is life out there, and it is probably intelligent life, too. That life could be at a similar stage to ours, where those beings are staring out at the vastness of space, trying to understand the things around them and wondering if anyone else is out there, too.

I do love hearing stories about extraterrestrial encounters, though, and the various myths and legends about them, including myths/legends about extraterrestrials being a part of ancient cultures and religions. I just think that is fun stuff.

I even believe in the possibility that there are multiple universes, in different dimensions. Really, I think that everything is so vast and there are so many unknowns that it is unwise to assume that we know the truth about much of anything. I try to keep an open mind to the possibilities.

I hope I live to see us visit other planets!
post #29 of 29
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I do love hearing stories about extraterrestrial encounters, though, and the various myths and legends about them, including myths/legends about extraterrestrials being a part of ancient cultures and religions. I just think that is fun stuff.
Me too, thats why i watch shows about UFO's. It is so interesting to me. If anyone else has had an encounter, please tell!
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