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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
It's easy to forget history, so maybe a quick review is in order!

Before the Iraq War
post #2 of 15
Very, very powerful. Short and to the point.

Thank you for posing that.
post #3 of 15
Great video!

Apparently George W. Bush wasn't the only one "lying" about WMD to go to war. A great many Democrats were doing it too....
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
Great video!

Apparently George W. Bush wasn't the only one "lying" about WMD to go to war. A great many Democrats were doing it too....
i've never understood why, once the truth about the WMD was discovered, those who claimed they existed were categorized [accused] of 'lying' in the 1st place. isn't it possible that any or all of those people were simply human, & mistaken?
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i've never understood why, once the truth about the WMD was discovered, those who claimed they existed were categorized [accused] of 'lying' in the 1st place. isn't it possible that any or all of those people were simply human, & mistaken?
Excellent point. It's a point that's been made before, but people seem to keep overlooking it. When you are dealing with unknowns and other people's secrets, you are finally going to reach the point where you have to deduce, or, make a "best guess", based on what you know or think you know. Under those circumstances, there is an unavoidable degree of error. Being wrong doesn't mean anyone lied, it means they were wrong.

The "Charge of the Light Brigade" was a mistake too, but it went down in history as a truly heroic and magnificent one.
post #6 of 15
Well, yes and no. Saddam had been on the 'watchlist' there is no doubt about that.
However, the intent of this war should have been centered on 9/11, Afghanistan and the Terrorists. It was not supposed to be about Iraq at this time.
So no one on either side of the aisle has denied that there was some faulty intelligence on Iraq. The argument is that it was embellished as an eminent threat and the inspectors never found the WMDs. The accusation is that Cheney and Rumsfeld had been wanting this even before 9/11 and put this in front of the real threat which was much more pertinent as in al-Qaeda. There are claims that they falsified reports turning a possibility into a certainty. Bush has already said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

The video doesn't really shed light on anything new or controversial.
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The video doesn't really shed light on anything new or controversial.
Nor did I say it did. It's just a reminder that what the best-informed people in government were saying before the war.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
i've never understood why, once the truth about the WMD was discovered, those who claimed they existed were categorized [accused] of 'lying' in the 1st place. isn't it possible that any or all of those people were simply human, & mistaken?
What they were less than truthful about was the "evidence" that the WMD existed. There were plenty in the CIA who objected to the administration stating categorically that the weapons existed when there was no definative evidence of that but rather there was evidence to indicate that they *might* exist. Those people were stifled. We launched a war, destroyed a country and have gotten many thousands of people killed all because we fell for the arrogant chest puffing of a megalomaniac.

As for those shown in the video agreeing with the administrations spin, many of those comments came as a result of Bush et al insisting that they had indisputable evidence of the existence of WMD but then refusing to say how they "knew" this because to do so would "compromise national security". They believed him and were supporting their president at a time of war or approaching war.

Yes, humans make mistakes. But humans who have massive destructive power at their disposal have a moral obligation to make d**n sure they are on the side of right when they choose to use that power.

This is my first and last post on Iraq. We all have made up our minds about the "rightness" or "wrongness" of it by now. I see no point in constantly revisiting it.
post #9 of 15
i never thought Iraq was a good idea.
how i did think that maybe there info was for real, it still seemed to me at the time, that just keeping the locked in was a good idea,

but at the time, i did not know that the UN, france, germany was still doing business with Iraq.
post #10 of 15
I never thought the Democrats and Republicans were that different in regards to foreign policy anyway.

But if history is important, I think it's more interesting to look at the US government's view of Iraq before the Gulf War and after. Back at the time when the US knew that Iraq had weapons of mass destructions and Saddam Hussein used them against his own people... and yet still supported Iraq because it suited US interests.
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
i've never understood why, once the truth about the WMD was discovered, those who claimed they existed were categorized [accused] of 'lying' in the 1st place. isn't it possible that any or all of those people were simply human, & mistaken?
I agree with you Laureen. I didn't mean to imply that Bush and those Democrats were lying, they were just going by the best information they had available. I just put the "lying" part in there because thats what the liberals have been accusing Bush of all these years......and I don't think its right.
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
Great video!

Apparently George W. Bush wasn't the only one "lying" about WMD to go to war. A great many Democrats were doing it too....
Do you think that Republicans don't lie?
post #13 of 15
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Read it here and weep, people:

People in power lie, to serve their own purposes. And when they don't lie, they bend the truth to their will.

That doesn't make them bad. It just makes them human. And often they honestly believe what they're saying (such as those in the video), or they believe that what they are saying is for the best, no matter what.
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Read it here and weep, people:

People in power lie, to serve their own purposes. And when they don't lie, they bend the truth to their will.

That doesn't make them bad. It just makes them human.
everybody lies. period. it's one of the few things you don't have to teach to a child - they figure it out [usually between the ages of 3-4, btw].
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
everybody lies. period. it's one of the few things you don't have to teach to a child - they figure it out [usually between the ages of 3-4, btw].
Perhaps. But when someone is directly responsible for getting many thousands of people killed for reasons based on lies, it's just a tad more serious than your run of the mill lie.
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