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Questions I have based on a McCain commercial I saw tonight

post #1 of 25
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In it, the message was basically that McCain and Palin have a record of "bucking the Republican party". If they are Republicans, why would they want to buck their own party? Do they not believe in the policies of it? It just kind of struck me as unusual, considering that it's mostly people of the republican party voting for them Also, it wasn't really specific as to how they've "bucked" the republicans, from what I've gathered, McCain has voted with the Republicans the last few years Is this just an effort to show that there will be change? As in McCain/Palin do not agree with Bush?

It also ended with "The original mavericks" splashed across the screen. While I know that McCain has a history of being a maverick, isn't it kind of premature to call Palin a maverick given that she's only been in public service a few years?
post #2 of 25
Cause for the most part, unless you go along with party, you do not get there support. kinda like how Joe Lieberman is viewed as a dem.

See up until about 10 years, people could and would cross party lines, to vote for what they really thought was best. Mccain is a left over from back then, relic if you will lol. Some of the rep boards i read, they are not happy with mccain being picked at all. He is not a true conservative . he is more middle of the road type.

As for palin, she made alot of rep in AK unhappy with her, with some choices she made.
post #3 of 25
I seen this too. I think they 'know' they have the Reps in the bag, so they are trying to get more Dems to cross over.

Especially the Hillary supporters.

I dont usually post in the IMO forum.... just my 2 cents... go easy on me
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Marianjela View Post
I seen this too. I think they 'know' they have the Reps in the bag, so they are trying to get more Dems to cross over.

Especially the Hillary supporters.

I dont usually post in the IMO forum.... just my 2 cents... go easy on me

I totally agree.

Nice first IMO post!
post #5 of 25
He's in an awkward position. He has had better luck reaching across the aisle and working with the Democrats than getting his own party's support so the Republicans are suspicious of him. Now that he is moving to the right to get the conservatives with him, he is making the independents suspicious. Should he win the election, he is bound to really disappoint one of those two groups.

I don't know how many Hillary Clinton supporters will vote for him. But there is a good chance that they won't vote for either so that could help McCain.
post #6 of 25
G. W. Bush and his policies are very unpopular. McCain wants to distance himself from them. He evidently received the nomination because he is the one Republican that has the most credibility to do this.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Marianjela View Post
I seen this too. I think they 'know' they have the Reps in the bag, so they are trying to get more Dems to cross over.
Mccain is counting on the independts.
he does not have the total support of reps. In fact most of them expect him to go back to the middle if he get elected(which is what i hope he does)4

and please post more,(most of yes are nice for the most part.
post #8 of 25
The 'maverick thing' was appropriate in 2000 for McCain but not so much anymore. I am so sick of the term and his choice of Palin will not bring any left leaners or leftish moderates over.
I think that the Hillary supporters that were more conservative otherwise are going with McCain. But a Hillary supporter that is more liberal will not go with McCain because they are basically Democrats.

I have not seen any of the commercials here. We are basically pretty blue here. He may have written us off.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
why would they want to buck their own party?
I think it's mainly the George Bush factor. There's such a strong anti-Bush sentiment throughout the country, even within the Republican party, that they want to do whatever they can do distance themselves from Bush, who as President, is still the head of the party. I think that secondarily, they're trying to preempt Obama's "change" theme.

Frankly, my opinion is that it's a typically cynical political spin campaign.

As far as Palin and the "maverick" theme I think she does have some claim to that description. I was reading an account of her political career and it seems she stepped on quite a few toes in very chummy Alaskan political circles on her way up to governor. I suppose you could call that "maverick"
post #10 of 25
John McCain is Bi-Partisan, always has been. I think it is a wonderful thing.
I think a majority of the American people are so sick and tired of this divisiveness and want it to stop.

Barack has done nothing but divide this country IMO. He has never reached across the aisle to bring people together, to write a piece of legislation.

McCain is a maverick, that has promised to have both parties in his Cabinet.
post #11 of 25
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John McCain is Bi-Partisan, always has been. I think it is a wonderful thing.
I think a majority of the American people are so sick and tired of this divisiveness and want it to stop.

Barack has done nothing but divide this country IMO. He has never reached across the aisle to bring people together, to write a piece of legislation.

McCain is a maverick, that has promised to have both parties in his Cabinet.
Obama does have a bipartisan record. As to McCain, it is interesting that he was better able to get Democrats to support his legislation than his own party. The GOP is working hard to get rid of the McCain-Feingold bill.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
McCain .... has promised to have both parties in his Cabinet.
Yes, I saw that clip. I nearly dropped my drawers. I'll give him credit for that, for sure. D---- straight move.

I think JFK had a bipartisan cabinet, but I can't think of any since.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I think it's mainly the George Bush factor. There's such a strong anti-Bush sentiment throughout the country, even within the Republican party, that they want to do whatever they can do distance themselves from Bush, who as President, is still the head of the party. I think that secondarily, they're trying to preempt Obama's "change" theme.

Frankly, my opinion is that it's a typically cynical political spin campaign.

As far as Palin and the "maverick" theme I think she does have some claim to that description. I was reading an account of her political career and it seems she stepped on quite a few toes in very chummy Alaskan political circles on her way up to governor. I suppose you could call that "maverick"
She's an opportunist. She benefited from the very people she so called opposed. When the public was against Murkowski she ran on a change campaign which was an easy win.
Murkowski appointed her to the oil commission job:http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/s...mmission-jobs/
Her rep as a maverick is not quite truthful. It was a way to win after losing her bid for Lt Governor. So she ran on a platform that was guaranteed to be popular.
He is trying to distance himself from Bush but he has cozied up to him as he got ready to run for President. I don't think he needed to do that. Supposedly there is a chill in the air between them again.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post

McCain is a maverick, that has promised to have both parties in his Cabinet.
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Yes, I saw that clip. I nearly dropped my drawers. I'll give him credit for that, for sure. D---- straight move.

I think JFK had a bipartisan cabinet, but I can't think of any since.
Big deal. What's his definition of a "bipartisan" Cabinet?

That could mean one secretary from the opposition, and if so, GWB (Transport Sec. Norman Mineta), Clinton (Defense Sec. William Cohen), Carter (Energy Sec. James Schlesinger), and Nixon (Treasury Sec. John Connally) had bipartisan Cabinets. JFK had a Republican Treasury Secretary, Douglas Dillon.

That doesn't include all the appointees like ambassadors, Fed chairmans, etc..
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I think it's mainly the George Bush factor. There's such a strong anti-Bush sentiment throughout the country, even within the Republican party, that they want to do whatever they can do distance themselves from Bush, who as President, is still the head of the party. I think that secondarily, they're trying to preempt Obama's "change" theme.
This is just what I was about to say. John McCain doesn't want to think it's going to be four more years of the same old thing. He wants people to think he can get us out of the mess our country is in right now, so he's doing everything he can to distance himself from President Bush and his bad policies. I usually don't post on the political threads here, but I'm sure you've heard that President Bush is so unpopular he wasn't even wanted at the Republican National Convention.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Big deal. What's his definition of a "bipartisan" Cabinet?

That could mean one secretary from the opposition, and if so, GWB (Transport Sec. Norman Mineta), Clinton (Defense Sec. William Cohen), Carter (Energy Sec. James Schlesinger), and Nixon (Treasury Sec. John Connally) had bipartisan Cabinets. JFK had a Republican Treasury Secretary, Douglas Dillon.

That doesn't include all the appointees like ambassadors, Fed chairmans, etc..
Yes, I do think it is a "big deal"
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yes, I do think it is a "big deal"
Then I guess George W is a "maverick", too. Quite a few of his political appointees have been Democrats. Political appointees in the United States Government whose party was different from that of the President who made the appointment
post #18 of 25
***sigh*** McCain has a proven track record of reaching across party lines and being on good terms and actually being able to work with the other side. As in co-authoring bills, the "maverick" moniker is not based on just one thing.
(I guess I didn't make myself clear enough, sorry about that.)
It is based on him doing right for the country rather than "party first" he is all about "country first" Just my opinion.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
***sigh*** McCain has a proven track record of reaching across party lines and being on good terms and actually being able to work with the other side. As in co-authoring bills, the "maverick" moniker is not based on just one thing.
(I guess I didn't make myself clear enough, sorry about that.)
It is based on him doing right for the country rather than "party first" he is all about "country first" Just my opinion.
That seems to be his problem right now. He's always been rather "middle of the road", and therefore attractive to independents and non-hardline Democrats, but choosing Palin as his running mate has been a real gamble, ie., tight-rope. I used to really like McCain, and wished that he'd run against Gore in 2000, rather than Bush. But: The "let's trash the opposition, even if we have to lie" campaigning I've seen of late, and his choice of Palin as a running mate have really driven me into the arms of the other camp.

I'd classify myself as "liberal-middle of the road", and his trashy campaign and running mate's views have really alienated me. For the first time in my life, I'm absolutely sure whom I'm going to cast my ballot for, without it simply being a "protest vote", several weeks before the election.
post #20 of 25
And I believe that it is Obama running the trashy campaign and lying through his teeth. So there you have it folks.

What it comes down to for me is I will support the man who has served his country all his life and us Repubs love Sarah Palin. We like a strong woman.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
That seems to be his problem right now. He's always been rather "middle of the road", and therefore attractive to independents and non-hardline Democrats, but choosing Palin as his running mate has been a real gamble, ie., tight-rope. I used to really like McCain, and wished that he'd run against Gore in 2000, rather than Bush. But: The "let's trash the opposition, even if we have to lie" campaigning I've seen of late, and his choice of Palin as a running mate have really driven me into the arms of the other camp.

I'd classify myself as "liberal-middle of the road", and his trashy campaign and running mate's views have really alienated me. For the first time in my life, I'm absolutely sure whom I'm going to cast my ballot for, without it simply being a "protest vote", several weeks before the election.
Could have agreed more. McCain's campaign is lying so much no one except the die hards believe him anymore.McCain had enjoyed a cozy relationship with the press even referring to them as his base. Now they aren't protecting him anymore and he cries foul.
post #22 of 25
http://www.factcheck.org/

Check for yourself who's saying what. BHO's side is ahead in the "spin" department.
post #23 of 25
Obama couldn't even keep his word about his campaign financing.
McCain a "liar", I don't think so.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
http://www.factcheck.org/

Check for yourself who's saying what. BHO's side is ahead in the "spin" department.
Yes. I do check that site often. I don't get what you mean ahead in the spin department. It seems to have supported what I have thought all along.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
http://www.factcheck.org/

Check for yourself who's saying what. BHO's side is ahead in the "spin" department.
I have been all along - I think you'd better check out the archive, and not just the homepage.
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