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post #31 of 45
For the sake of clarity, I'm still undecided. I'm going to vote for whoever ticks the most people off. It seems that this country really, really needs a good ticking off. But part of moderating is reading through these threads numerous times, and I've come to an opinionated conclusion on several of them.

These discussions have deteriorated to a point somewhere between comical and sad. Some are saying that running a state, or being a junior Senator, does not present a person with enough experience to run a country. In truth, there isn't anyone that hasn't been President already with the actual experience to run a country. And more than a few of those with that experience didn't do it well. That is why most Presidents will tap into the resources of advisers and cabinet members from previous administrations. You can do a job without experience, IF you know where to FIND the experience!

And bad life experiences and bad associations and just plain mistakes are the instances with the highest learning potential, yet some are using these experiences to disqualify candidates in your own minds. Many adamantly refuse to even consider if this person may have learned from those situations and actually be better for it. If you ever do find a candidate that has never had a bad life experience, or has never encountered an undesirable person, or has never made a mistake, then you are going to have someone who will collapse in the face of failure. You will also end up with unprecedented silliness such as "loyalty oaths".

There are those that claim that something that happened 10 years ago is irrelevant, shortly after they have pointed out something that occurred in the late 60's. Pick a relevant time frame and stick with it, for goodness sakes. Email hackers? Put them in jail, problem solved.

You will not know what you have until the newly sworn President sits down in that leather chair and says "Let's get down to business". If you remind them of their campaign "promises", they will mutter things like "partisan devide", "no cooperation", or spout nearly meaningless words like "dem", "con", "lib", "left", "right", "up", "over", "wilco", or some other word they've hijacked to give a negative political bent. How often do you hear of someone winning a huge lottery, and then conducting themselves in a fashion that completely surprises and dumbfounds their friends and relatives. Either, or both, may be the kind of person that talks grandly of principles, but when they walk into that office with the realization of "Hey; I'm the President!!", then that person will change. It may be a tiny amount, such as excessive pride or indulging themselves in things they've never done. Or, it may twist them completely. Either, or, or none of the above, something will change. It's luck of the draw, a crapshoot!

So, let's just do as we've always done, make our most hopeful guess and live with it.

Ok, rant's over, I'll go back to watching now.
post #32 of 45
Well said, Mike.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by thecanopener View Post
Not trying to be flippant but is there some kind of proof that she carried on sensitive government business conversations via her Yahoo account? Just wondering because some people seem to be thinking that she's going to use Yahoo to send the nuclear launch codes to somebody or something.
I haven't been following this as closely as I would like, but I do catch the news before I go to work and before I go to bed at night. The only thing polical I have heard is that she emailed someone on her private acct (yahoo) to discuss personal feelings about someone else. Isn't that what private accounts are for? To keep things personal?

As for the link that states that her husband may be influential for her decisions, check this out. Obama stated the first deciding factor would be his wife, then his grandmother....THEN people who knew what was going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpj4j-k6TSc
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I'm going to vote for whoever ticks the most people off. It seems that this country really, really needs a good ticking off.
That's as "comical and sad" as the posts you're criticizing.

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And bad life experiences and bad associations and just plain mistakes are the instances with the highest learning potential, yet some are using these experiences to disqualify candidates in your own minds. Many adamantly refuse to even consider if this person may have learned from those situations and actually be better for it.
If one of those "bad associations" you're referring to is Obama's 20 year relationship with Rev. Wright then ya, I think he did learn something from that but I don't think he's a better person for it. I think he learned how to be bitter, hateful and resentful of white people.

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So, let's just do as we've always done, make our most hopeful guess and live with it.
In the end that's all we can do. In the meantime we will continue to bicker and banter back and forth as we have been. If we didn't, you wouldn't have a "job" or anything to complain about.
post #35 of 45
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That's as "comical and sad" as the posts you're criticizing.
Thank you. I meant for it to be. I'm glad that you were able to grasp at least that much of what I had written.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
For the sake of clarity, I'm still undecided. I'm going to vote for whoever ticks the most people off. It seems that this country really, really needs a good ticking off. But part of moderating is reading through these threads numerous times, and I've come to an opinionated conclusion on several of them.

These discussions have deteriorated to a point somewhere between comical and sad. Some are saying that running a state, or being a junior Senator, does not present a person with enough experience to run a country. In truth, there isn't anyone that hasn't been President already with the actual experience to run a country. And more than a few of those with that experience didn't do it well. That is why most Presidents will tap into the resources of advisers and cabinet members from previous administrations. You can do a job without experience, IF you know where to FIND the experience!

And bad life experiences and bad associations and just plain mistakes are the instances with the highest learning potential, yet some are using these experiences to disqualify candidates in your own minds. Many adamantly refuse to even consider if this person may have learned from those situations and actually be better for it. If you ever do find a candidate that has never had a bad life experience, or has never encountered an undesirable person, or has never made a mistake, then you are going to have someone who will collapse in the face of failure. You will also end up with unprecedented silliness such as "loyalty oaths".

There are those that claim that something that happened 10 years ago is irrelevant, shortly after they have pointed out something that occurred in the late 60's. Pick a relevant time frame and stick with it, for goodness sakes. Email hackers? Put them in jail, problem solved.

You will not know what you have until the newly sworn President sits down in that leather chair and says "Let's get down to business". If you remind them of their campaign "promises", they will mutter things like "partisan devide", "no cooperation", or spout nearly meaningless words like "dem", "con", "lib", "left", "right", "up", "over", "wilco", or some other word they've hijacked to give a negative political bent. How often do you hear of someone winning a huge lottery, and then conducting themselves in a fashion that completely surprises and dumbfounds their friends and relatives. Either, or both, may be the kind of person that talks grandly of principles, but when they walk into that office with the realization of "Hey; I'm the President!!", then that person will change. It may be a tiny amount, such as excessive pride or indulging themselves in things they've never done. Or, it may twist them completely. Either, or, or none of the above, something will change. It's luck of the draw, a crapshoot!

So, let's just do as we've always done, make our most hopeful guess and live with it.

Ok, rant's over, I'll go back to watching now.
Are you lobbying for a a VP spot for sarahp?
Don't you know? A president can't be a human being and make mistakes. These elections start to take on a farcical element.
So and so sat next to someone whose cousin once was roommates with the hairdesser of the aunt of...
post #37 of 45
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Are you lobbying for a a VP spot for sarahp?
Don't you know? A president can't be a human being and make mistakes. These elections start to take on a farcical element.
So and so sat next to someone whose cousin once was roommates with the hairdesser of the aunt of...

No, it was just an observation. It would be funny if people weren't taking it so seriously.
post #38 of 45
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I'm glad that you were able to at least grasp that much of what I had written.
Oh I grasped everything you wrote. Nice attempt at a dig though.
post #39 of 45
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Oh I grasped everything you wrote. Nice attempt at a dig though.
Then why, out of all the associations on both sides of the fence, from preachers to criminals to secession groups to childhood religious schools, did you think I referred to a single instance?
post #40 of 45
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Then why, out of all the associations on both sides of the fence, from preachers to criminals to secession groups to childhood religious schools, did you think I referred to a single instance?

Maybe it was you who didn't grasp what I said. "If one of those "bad associations" you're referring to...".
post #41 of 45
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Maybe it was you who didn't grasp what I said. "If one of those "bad associations" you're referring to...".
Ah, I see. So you take the entire spectrum and pick out the one instance that you wish to argue about, so you can "guide" the conversation. Thats a troll tactic from the old "folklore.urban" days. Do you do this a lot?
post #42 of 45
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Ah, I see. So you take the entire spectrum and pick out the one instance that you wish to argue about, so you can "guide" the conversation. Thats a troll tactic from the old "folklore.urban" days. Do you do this a lot?
LOL. I wasn't trying to "guide" the conversation I was just responding to your "rant". Judging from your reaction, I guess I wasn't supposed to.
post #43 of 45
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LOL. I wasn't trying to "guide" the conversation I was just responding to your "rant". Judging from your reaction, I guess I wasn't supposed to.
I would not have posted it had I not wanted it replied to. I am still referring to you picking a single talking point out of a blanket statement to comment on.
post #44 of 45
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I would not have posted it had I not wanted it replied to. I am still referring to you picking a single talking point out of a blanket statement to comment on.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you Skippymjp. If it makes you feel superior to think of me as a troll then go for it.
post #45 of 45
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I'm not going to sit here and argue with you Skippymjp. If it makes you feel superior to think of me as a troll then go for it.
Never said you are a troll. I said that one of the tactics you seem to prefer is a troll tactic. It may mean nothing more than you frequent forums or message boards where you see trolls work and just picked up a thing or two.
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