Awareness if shocking here in NZ - every blue cat is a Russian Blue or British Blue, every cat with Long fur is a Persian. It annoys me but when people say "Well my vet said it was" - as if vets know EVERYTHING about Pedigree cats.
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Purebreds in shelters?
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Very few vets really know much about "breeds" unless they were a purebred breeder. I friend of mine who bred and showed Siamese went on to become a vet when she was in her 40's. Now SHE would know what is a purebred and what is not!
My dads cat is part siamese.
They took her to the pound to be fixed 2 years ago.
She was 6 months.
The pound is so stupid.
They put her up for adoption and said she was 2 years old.
She was 6 months at the time.
They also put her down as a Ragdoll.
Its a good thing my dad caught it before someone adopted her.
My sisters friend adopted a Russian Blue from the pound but he isnt Russian Blue.
He dosent even have the shape or mauve paw pads.
Alll the pounds here do it.
Every pointed cat is siamese and every blue is a Russian Blue.
They took her to the pound to be fixed 2 years ago.
She was 6 months.
The pound is so stupid.
They put her up for adoption and said she was 2 years old.
She was 6 months at the time.
They also put her down as a Ragdoll.
Its a good thing my dad caught it before someone adopted her.
My sisters friend adopted a Russian Blue from the pound but he isnt Russian Blue.
He dosent even have the shape or mauve paw pads.
Alll the pounds here do it.
Every pointed cat is siamese and every blue is a Russian Blue.
2 of our Bengal crosses this year were actually gingers, one ginger and white, one full ginger - one was bought as one, and the other was determined by the vet - I questioned my vet as to why another vet would put down bengal cross on a vacc card when they are the wrong colour, and she said that if the owner insist's, that is what they put!!
I'm lucky my vet breeds burmese, dogs and race horses!
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Amazingly enough, some purebreds are not adopted from the shelters, and later on rescued by a rescue group... I am adopting Bugsy in about 10 days; a purebred ragdoll that has been up for adoption for quite a while... He is a shy boy, and hides when people come in the rescue' house... Well, it turns out that because he is shy, he is going to be the perfect mate
for Lucky!!! Somebody's trash is someone else' treasure!
Oh, and he is not deaf
Not Julia Nicholls?Originally Posted by missymotus
My vet breeds Burmese too (also a judge), well she was my vet until she recently retired
I have been following this thread and have learned some stuff. When I was looking for these last two kittens I was looking for more Persians and also at the Scottish Folds. I know nothing about genetics but the info I got was that with the Persians you can have two very flat faced parents and some of the kittens will have the flat face and some the more traditional doll face. I have had Persians for over 25 years and have found this to be true.The last two breeders had show type but some of the pet quality had the longer nose. The breeder I got my two newest girls from also breeds Exotic Shorthair and she said not all of the kittens will have the short coat, some will revert back to long hair. With the Scottish Fold not all kittens will have the folded ears. This is another reason why I would not want to be a breeder, it is very confusing! So it is very possible to have a purebred that does not look like a true purebred, the only real way to know is if there are papers.
On another note, I have wondered if something should happen to me so I could not provide care for my Persian girls what would I do? The breeder would want them back and there is not a chance in !!!! I would let these precious babies go back to her. The health problems they are facing came from her cattery. She is not cruel or anything but I would not trust thier fate to her. I know she would either have them pts or place them with someone without being honest about the issues. My point being that sending an animal back to the breeder is not always in the best interest of the animal. A shelter is not a good option either, so what do you do?
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Yep, that's her
A bit off topic but anyways.. Some Scottish Fold breeders register the straight eared kittens as British Shorthairs to get them sold better and to be allowed to take them to shows.. That is very very bad thing to do, because the straight eared Folds can have fold eared kittens and that means that British Shorthair as a pure breed is in danger because you can't have a 'supposed to be' British Shorthair litter with fold eared kittens in it.
And about Persians.. My other cat is a British Longhair, both of his parents are British Shorthairs. Several people have thought that he is a Persian because he looks like a doll faced one (his fur is just a bit shorter, semi-long). Even the vet wrote in his files that my cat is a Persian (but I obviously corrected it). Another vet told my friend that her DSH cat is European Shorthair.. I had quite a battle with trying to convince her that her cat is not purebred (it was from a regular barn cats' litter). The cat people in Finland actually call some vets (most of them) cowdoctors because they really don't know anything about cats or other animals smaller than a cow.
People that have longhaired kittens always try to get them sold by saying that they are half-Norwegian Forestcats or Siberians, and that Russian Blue-thing is very common here too.. I just hate that. Why won't they accept the fact that the cat is regular domestic? Like it would make the cat somehow more special if it had some purebreds in it's lineage.
Thanks for the info, is it the same in the US on Scottish Folds?
I was trying to stay on topic by pointing out that not all purebreds come out looking like purebreds so the shelter cats could be but the only way to know would be with papers. It works both ways, some of the crosses come out looking like purebreds. DSH should be offered as they are, it doesn't make them any less wonderful, but I guess if the shelters fudge a little and it keeps a wonderful cat off deaths row it's okay.
I was trying to stay on topic by pointing out that not all purebreds come out looking like purebreds so the shelter cats could be but the only way to know would be with papers. It works both ways, some of the crosses come out looking like purebreds. DSH should be offered as they are, it doesn't make them any less wonderful, but I guess if the shelters fudge a little and it keeps a wonderful cat off deaths row it's okay.
I'm not sure, you have American Shorthairs there which can be mated with Folds too but I don't know if the breeders are doing the false registering with them also. But in central Europe and Russia it seems to be very common to do so. If you see a breeder who only sells Folds and British or American Shorthairs, there definately is something fishy going on.. They can't be so 'lucky' that they don't have any Scottish Straights in their litters if you know what I mean.
Scottish Folds are very rare in Finland because the breed is not recognized in FIFÉ which still is the main cat organisation here. CFA and TICA have just landed here so hopefully the breed will be more common soon. There is only one Fold breeder here and she hasn't been breeding for several years, but now me and friend of mine are starting to breed them aswell (not together though). [/end of off topic
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We have Scottish Shorthairs as their own breed (straight eared folds) so they can be shown. They don't look like BSH's so I don't see how someone could false register and then show them under BSH.
I don't know how many generations it would take before you see some of the extreme features dissapear. But I wanted to mention I've gotten at least 4 pure bred persians from shelters. Papers and all. In fact, I get calls all the time from shelters, asking me if I'll take one. I used to have a bigger house and had more room for more cats but now I'm in an apartment and have to turn them away.
I think you see a lot of Persians in shelters (or at least more then you'd expect), papered and non-papered, because the previous owners wanted a cute, fluffy, flat faced or doll faced kitten and once the cat got older and required a lot of maintence grooming, they dump them. At least that is what I've found from my inquiries.
I get really annoyed at shelters that try to pass a cat off as a certain "breed" just to make them more desireable. I've seen shelters that call every gray cat either a russian blue or a british short hair. And any cat with long fur a Persian. I've even seen long haired cats that aren't even color points, called Himmies! Some of the shelters even charge more for these cats. And people are not educated enough to know the difference so they go ahead and pay a higher, premium price for what (in their minds) is a pure bred. Anywho... not only is it annoying but it's just down right WRONG! (in my not so humble opinion)
I get really annoyed at shelters that try to pass a cat off as a certain "breed" just to make them more desireable. I've seen shelters that call every gray cat either a russian blue or a british short hair. And any cat with long fur a Persian. I've even seen long haired cats that aren't even color points, called Himmies! Some of the shelters even charge more for these cats. And people are not educated enough to know the difference so they go ahead and pay a higher, premium price for what (in their minds) is a pure bred. Anywho... not only is it annoying but it's just down right WRONG! (in my not so humble opinion)
Oh, that is so good to hear!
Here (in Europe) Scottish Folds are only mated with British Shorthairs, so the straight eared ones look A LOT like BSH's, that's why it's so easy to false register them. For example my BSH male was just used for a Russian Scottish Fold female and in her pedigree it says that both of her parents are BSH's..but when you look farther you can see that there are Scottish Folds in the lineage and her parents are really a Scottish Straight/Shorthair and a British Shorthair (or possibly both of them are Scottish, who knows what's in there if you could look even further). That pedigree is made by some Russian Independent organisation.
There was some sort of a purebred cat at the shelter when I adopted Speck. It was gorgeous, sleek and black with what the shelter worker described as a "smush" face. I don't know breeds, though, even though I take Cat Fancy magazine and love to read about them. I have seen a lot of purebred dogs at the shelter, including an English Bulldog with papers.
Awesome. You are lucky!!!Originally Posted by missymotus
Yep, that's her
While I lived in Alaska and had no available Maine Coon breeders in the local area , I would look to the pound to see if they had any that people did not want anymore. As far as pure breeds are concerned, the only ones that I could distinctly label were Persians and I only saw 3 of those. Of course, there were "Siamese" and "Russian Blues", but none were purebred. The Persians, strangely enough, had been declawed both in the front and the back (absolutely cruel), so I am venturing to guess that they developed potty training habits or fear-biting habits and the owner dumped them. Well, that is just my 2 cents.
breeders: please see my post http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...43#post2548743 for one reason a purebred might end up in a shelter. I am interested in your comments...
