Oh dear. what do i do?

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Ahh, cool! doesn't really matter to me if they don't change, Kittens are adorable no matter what color they are. But those you have are just great and I'd love it if these changed that way.

Originally Posted by Abymummy

Are you sure black and grey? Sure looks brown in all the pics I've seen - anyhow, that makes her either a blue mac tabby or a silver mac tabby. If she's blue or silver she may be carrying dilutes...eh, let's just wait for the colors of the kittens to change! Guessing genetic backgrounds for colour on unknown are fun!

Yeah she's definitely 'bluish'. there is no brown anywhere, but greys and blacks. all the pics add a color tha isn't really there in real life. I think it's because I'm using lighting with cream colored shades.

alleygirl · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Abymummy

I have taught you badly...

you should know by now that cats don't come in orange, they come in red, cream and cameo!

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Abymummy

Are you sure black and grey? Sure looks brown in all the pics I've seen - anyhow, that makes her either a blue mac tabby or a silver mac tabby. If she's blue or silver she may be carrying dilutes...eh, let's just wait for the colors of the kittens to change! Guessing genetic backgrounds for colour on unknown are fun!

Man.. this is so frustrating! She looks brown in all these pics. but I swear there is NO brown in her. her long tummy hair is light grey and doesn't look brown at all. but look at this pic (i'm linking because it's very big)

Oh, by the way, make that 6 kittens, another white one just popped out. i swear I thought she had another in there. This one popped RIGHT out. Mom must be loosened up a little from her herd.

I'd like to thank each and every person here that posted in this thread. you were ALL very helpful and I'd have been a complete mess if it weren't for the reassurances.

THANK YOU.

A special thanks to Rosiemac, Abymummy, mrblanche and Gayef. I can't thank you enough

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Ugh.. I can still feel one in there. She just had number 7, another white one but I don't think it's going to make it. it didn't come out squirming and is pretty lifeless. twice is make a big body twitch but I don't think it's going to live. mom isn't even trying to lick it.

I can feel another one in there though I'm sure of it.\\

How long should I wait before I remove the one I think is dead? i don't want mom to mourn

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

dang. yea it's not gonna make it. I can't just kill the thing but it's just laying there and takes in a huge breath every 30 seconds or so, opens it's mouth and mews. Mom is ignoring it.

What should I do!

mrblanche · Sep 8, 2008

It's probably way too late now, but if you had a warm wet washcloth (not very wet), you could rub it all over to try to stimulate it, etc., substituting for mom. But a certain percentage of kittens DON'T make it; that's one of the reasons for multiple births. It's nature's way of getting enough kittens to adulthood to replace the parents. Any over 6 run that risk.

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Well I tended to it immediately. I didn't use a warm washcloth (wish I'd thought of that) but I did hold it in my hands, dry it off and keep it right next to my chest to keep it warm.

Now I go back in the room and it LOOKS like it might be ok. Mom managed to get it to the bottom of the pile but it's latched on now. Time will tell.

IF so that's 4 whiteys

mrblanche · Sep 8, 2008

Aren't you the guy who didn't know anything about cats or kittens about 8 months ago?

Hey, ladies, check this aisle, this guy's a keeper!

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Oh I still don't know what I'm doing. I'm just better at being bad

P.S. No clue how but the 7th cat seems to be kicking in now and she's actively trying to nurse. so who knows?

gayef · Sep 8, 2008

Very good, quick and smart thinking! You probably saved that little one's life! Momma is probably extremely fatigued now after delivering all those kittens and needed you to tend to that one so she could rest a little. So long as she keeps paying attention to him/her and he/she keeps nursing and progressing, then all should be fine. But watch him/her carefully to ensure there is weight gain ... now it isn't unusual for kittens to lose a little bit of weight for 24 to 48 hours after birth, but you want to see really nice, fat bellies with the skin stretched tightly across, no wrinkles, no loose flaps of skin ... if you start to see that, then begin supplementing with Goat's milk pronto.

ETA: A lot of really nice and well-meaning people will tell you to supplement with KMR. Don't waste the time or the money. Just go to your local grocery store and normally, you'll find the goat's milk for far less in the same place as you find the containers of unrefridgerated Soy milk.

mrblanche · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by fastnoc

Oh I still don't know what I'm doing. I'm just better at being bad

P.S. No clue how but the 7th cat seems to be kicking in now and she's actively trying to nurse. so who knows?

You may have to supplement its nursing with KMR, since it may have trouble finding a food outlet. In fact, you'll want to watch for any of them to start falling behind.

gayef · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by mrblanche

You may have to supplement its nursing with KMR, since it may have trouble finding a food outlet. In fact, you'll want to watch for any of them to start falling behind.

I wasn't pointing at you, my dear. *smile*

I recommend Goat's milk over the Kitten Milk Replacer for a lot of reasons but the most important one is that it is ~most~ like queen's milk. The KMR can and will cause digestive upset in kittens, either backed up entirely or loose, watery stool. Either way, the Momma cat has to try to clean all that up. She gets tired of it and will stop caring for the baby. Goat's milk is easier on their little developing digestive systems than KMR.

And it's cheaper.

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

I'll check it out. Man now I feel so stupid. I had a whole BIG can of KMR powder. You know, the one that costs 42 bucks? But I figured at that time since my guys were eating on their own I didn't need to keep it around so I trashed it. unopened

gayef · Sep 8, 2008

I don't know how long ago you had that container, but it has a fairly short expiry. If it was longer than a few months ago, you wouldn't have been able to use it anyway.

addiebee · Sep 8, 2008

Oh, wow! BABIES!!! Congratulations, "Dad"!

I read this entire thread and it sounds like you and mama did great!! Fingers crossed that all of the lil ones make it! And my first thought when I saw the white kittens, though I am NO expert, was that you were going to have some pointed kittens. Whoooo!!!

laureen227 · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by AddieBee

Oh, wow! BABIES!!! Congratulations, "Dad"!

I read this entire thread and it sounds like you and mama did great!! Fingers crossed that all of the lil ones make it! And my first thought when I saw the white kittens, though I am NO expert, was that you were going to have some pointed kittens. Whoooo!!!

good job!

what an exciting morning you had!

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

What are pointed kittens?

As for the result. I looked at their bellies and based on the no wrinkles, no flaps qand tight bellies they all pass with flying colors. Moma ate two pouches of gormet food and an entire can of Authority Kitten. She chomped big time! I just put her dish in the box next to her face. She didn't have to even move the kittens.

As a footnote, I feel pretty good about that 7th kitten making it. I thought for sure it was a goner, but I kept holding it between my hands and softly blowing warm air in it. I just watched them and she is by far the most fiesty. The other kittens try to wiggle in on her with she's latched on and she slaps them silly. lol it's funny. So she's a fighter which is why she survived I'm sure.

Course, they could all be boys for all I know. i haven't sexed them (and based on the responses from the people who know there's no sense in it).

There's one kitten I can't wait to take a picture of. He's got a white face with black lines under his eyes just like a football player. He is so cool!

Now, in talking t the vet she said that the white ones would probably turn into Siamese? Does that make sense?

laureen227 · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by fastnoc

What are pointed kittens?

Now, in talking t the vet she said that the white ones would probably turn into Siamese? Does that make sense?

yes. Siamese [& other pointed cats] are born white. points appear later - usually starting at about 3 weeks or so, according to white cat lover - her latest foster litter has a couple of pointed kittens in it.
messy beast - pointed cats

fastnoc · Sep 8, 2008

Ohhhhh. ok yeah now I get it. Thanks for the link too!

I thought siamese cats were completely different than other cats. Looks like there is the typical siamese and the more current one which doesn't seem to have that different shape (if I read that link right).

I've never heard pointed kittens before. Guess I figured they were just born with strong opinions

Originally Posted by gayef

I don't know how long ago you had that container, but it has a fairly short expiry. If it was longer than a few months ago, you wouldn't have been able to use it anyway.

By the way, good point. It had been in the cupboard awhile. by now it would have been 7 months at least.

mountaindew · Sep 8, 2008

WOW on the huge litter! they are just too cute.

My white baby ended up white with the lightest of light creamish/greyish spot on its head.... sometimes it looks like a dirty spot and others orange and others you can't see it at all anymore and he looks completely white. I think it started to show up around 2 weeks old very light. his daddy was all white with a grey streak/spot on his head and his mommy is white and red.

this is him at 13 days old where you can see a bit of the spot
(the flash makes it brighter)

and another one at about 4-5 weeks old showing his spot

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