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post #1 of 26
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Sprout has been with us for about a month now. He had some nasty diarrhea the first couple of days that I attributed to the change in food. He did improve afer a few days, but since then he has continued to have large, unformed, very smelly stools that are like a thick liquid consistency and brown color, no sign of blood. I can always tell when he's had a bowel movement because you can smell it through the whole house! My cats all eat regular Innova dry with a wet meal once a day of Innova or Wellness, and the other cats all have normal stool.

He doesn't seem to be dehydrated, and he's gotten a bit chubbier since he's been with us so I don't think he's having an absorption issue. He does eat a lot though, but my understanding is that Sphynx do tend to eat more than other breeds. Some reading I've done indicates that simple overeating can cause issues like this. I suppose I will have to get a fecal done to rule out parasites. Anyone have any other ideas on what might be causing this?
post #2 of 26
Parasites seem very likely based on what you've described, giardia, coccidia or something else. These can be very dangerous if untreated and he has had this going on for way too long without treatment. Consult a vet asap.
post #3 of 26
you might try a round of bene-bac. i've used it in the past for a similar problem.
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well, the vet records that came with him show that he had a clean fecal just a few months ago, but I figure that is step one to figuring out what the deal is. I suppose he could've contracted a parasite since then, or whatever it is might not have shown up before. I also think, based on something his previous owner said to me, that this might have been going on off and on for awhile now. I'll call the vet on Monday, and we'll see what he says.
post #5 of 26
Food allergies? They can cause loose stools.

Fecal is the first step. Second, I'd look into a different food for him if possible....I know it'll be PITA to change foods with a multi-cat household.
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hmmm, I hadn't thought about allergies. I'll have to do some reading on food allergies in cats - I've only experienced that with dogs before.
post #7 of 26
I like this website....

http://www.peteducation.com/article....&articleid=142

Explains allergies vs. intolerances, symptoms, diagnosis, & treatment.
post #8 of 26
It sounds like it could be Tritrichomonas, the parasite will not show up on any fecal test other than a special test for that protozoa. I have two with it and before checking for that we ran every test in the book. The classic signs are chronic cow pie like stools and an odor to knock your socks off. Outside the body it is pretty fragile so it has to be handled right. If you want to learn more do a search on Jody Gookin, she is the leading authority and researcher and has all the information on her website. My girls got thier from the breeder and started having trouble right after we got them.Good luck.
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
Update: So far they've found nothing in the fecal. I guess they had to send samples to a lab for certain tests, so I should get those results tomorrow. In the meantime, they've given me some canned food that is supposed to be a "hypoallergenic diet" - it's lamb and barley, I guess. I will be feeding him that starting tonight, and we'll see if that changes his stool.

This is going to be somewhat of a PITA since I free feed all 7 cats currently, so now I am trying to decide if I am going to try to separate Sprout from the others or switch everybody to portioned meals. I am leaning toward meals right now, since Delilah was showing some URI symptoms this afternoon and I am keeping her seperate for the timebeing. My bedroom/bathroom is my only workable isolation area, and I really don't want to keep one of them confined to just the bathroom if I don't have to. Plus, Sprout will throw a hissy fit if he's stuck in the bedroom alone.

My only concern about portioned meals is that I'm afraid the younger cats (Griffin and Bastian) and skinny Adam may not get enough. I suppose I could try to offer those three a third meal at some point during the day.
post #10 of 26
I'm going to echo what Laureen already said, try a probiotic. It will not hurt, and if he's been on any medication in the last few months (for parasites or antibiotics) it can actually do a lot of good. The bene-bac only costs $5-6..
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
If it won't hurt him I suppose it's worth trying. I will try to find some tomorrow. Thanks.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
I'm going to echo what Laureen already said, try a probiotic. It will not hurt, and if he's been on any medication in the last few months (for parasites or antibiotics) it can actually do a lot of good. The bene-bac only costs $5-6..
The probiotics really turned things around for Joey when he had a similar problem And my vet told me that Manx are prone to stool problems. For awhile, I did switch him to boiled chicken/rice.

Sending prayers and vibes that Sprout gets over this very soon - for his sake, and everyone else's noses
post #13 of 26
Think of it as how some of the yogurts now have active cultures of good bacteria.

And take it from someone who been through what unbalanced good and bad bacteria in the intestines can do. I was on antibiotics for too long, it killed too much of my good bacteria and allowed the bad to overgrow. The result was horrible diarrhea, toxins from the bacteria building up in my body, and a hospital stay because I was sick. My cat Tomas had a more minor incident with bad bacteria, too - probiotics fixed his diarrhea and stinky gas problems.

Something for people to think about for both their health and their pets. Balance is important.

That you and the vet can get this all under control.
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
Anyone have an idea of how long it would take to see an improvement using probiotics? (Assuming that would solve the problem.) I am wondering if I should try that before I start messing with the food. Sprout's watery diarrhea with his initial switch to our food when he first came home was really nasty, and I'd rather not go there if I don't have to.
post #15 of 26
Depends on how bad it is if there is an imbalance.
Hm, I hazard a guess at 2 weeks. I used Eagle Pack holistic solutions for Tomas as it also has a digestive aid - but you'd have to check small pet stores or order that. I can't remember how long it took, but it seemed like a week and a half for the stool to improve, and 3 weeks for the stinky farts to completely go away.

In fact, it helped so much that I can't remember the last time he farted in my face.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Depends on how bad it is if there is an imbalance.
Hm, I hazard a guess at 2 weeks. I used Eagle Pack holistic solutions for Tomas as it also has a digestive aid - but you'd have to check small pet stores or order that. I can't remember how long it took, but it seemed like a week and a half for the stool to improve, and 3 weeks for the stinky farts to completely go away.

In fact, it helped so much that I can't remember the last time he farted in my face.
when i gave it to Java, it came in a 4-pack. directions were give one dose [1 tube] wait 3 days, give the 2nd dose. i've never had to use the other 2 tubes.
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks to you both! I will pick some up tomorrow and give it a try.
post #18 of 26
Kitty says thanks for this thread! She really needed the same help.

Good luck with the probiotics too.
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well, I couldn't find the bene-bac at any of our local petstores. I figured that since I'd have to order that, I might as well give the hypoallergenic food a try. Two days of that food and not one icky poop. I'm not sure if it was the ingredients in the dry Innova that I was feeding him, or if he was just upsetting his stomach by overeating. Maybe it is too early to say that is for sure what the problem was - he may be back to stinky poos tomorrow, I suppose. We shall see. In the meantime, I think I will start a new thread about food sensitivities! Thanks!
post #20 of 26
Do you have any farm and livestock supply stores in your area? Bene-bac is made by PetAg (I think they also make KMR?) and a lot of their products tend to be carried at farm supply stores.

I'd give it a try, even if the food seems to be helping. The other food was upsetting his GI somehow, so obviously his GI might not be in the best of condition right now.
I've also heard of people getting human probiotics and sprinkling those on their pet's food (I think it was mentioned in one of the Expert forums?), but I don't know what sort of dose that would be - presumably since it's just good bacteria a bit extra would be fine (which I think the person also said), but you have to watch out for other additives.

I've seen several other threads and comments about Innova, both regular and EVO. It seems that for some cats it's just too rich for them - especially the EVO.
post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
I didn't think of that! Maybe Fleet Farm would carry it. I'll have to check it out. Thanks!
post #22 of 26
feed stores often have another good probiotic called probios in granules and paste form
post #23 of 26
Just an FYI, I just bought some Bene-Bac at Pet Food Express for Kitty. The feed store near me doesnt carry it.

For us both
post #24 of 26
Thanks for this thread from me too. Of course our vet never has mentioned Bene-Bac either. I find that idea very much worth trying, and will look for that.

Wonder what's the name of the hypoallergenic food you are trying?

We use very much the same foods as the OP's household. Our pooper boy's problems aren't as bad and never were but he still is a stink butt. Originally vet gave him antibiotics but I found that it did not improve issues too much. He never had anything detectable in his poop samples either.

It is very obvious that the Innova the other cats love (and do well on) is way too much for him. He loves it and HATES it when I try to sneak it to his brothers and give him other stuff. It makes his stools stinky and gluey (can you say ring-around-the-butt-area). I tried other stuff and what seems to work for him is Premium Edge. He likes it (not as much as Innova), and it also has improved his fur in addition to his smelly butt issues. The other improvement has been grain free Wellness wet food.

We have the same problem as you do that we have been free-feeding and stinky-butt is overeating (maybe because of the poop problems?) He has gained weight and he should actually be on light diet. When I try something lighter, he just gets more obsessed about snacking, and more poopy... It's incredibly hard to feed different things because he is all over his brothers, towering over their cups.

The worst thing is one of his brothers cannot eat Premium Edge, he likes it but gets totally blocked with constipation. Thus I cannot have either food freely available in large quantities without causing someone a tummy issue. An then there is the skinny brother who suffers if food is not available!

But I digress! Just thought I'd bring up what has worked for one stinker after I tried dozen different things that kept him stinky (especially in wet foods). Premium Edge really solidified his gut. Both regular and fat-boy version seem to help, regular has been better.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by piikki View Post
Thanks for this thread from me too. Of course our vet never has mentioned Bene-Bac either. I find that idea very much worth trying, and will look for that.

Wonder what's the name of the hypoallergenic food you are trying?

We use very much the same foods as the OP's household. Our pooper boy's problems aren't as bad and never were but he still is a stink butt. Originally vet gave him antibiotics but I found that it did not improve issues too much. He never had anything detectable in his poop samples either.

It is very obvious that the Innova the other cats love (and do well on) is way too much for him. He loves it and HATES it when I try to sneak it to his brothers and give him other stuff. It makes his stools stinky and gluey (can you say ring-around-the-butt-area). I tried other stuff and what seems to work for him is Premium Edge. He likes it (not as much as Innova), and it also has improved his fur in addition to his smelly butt issues. The other improvement has been grain free Wellness wet food.

We have the same problem as you do that we have been free-feeding and stinky-butt is overeating (maybe because of the poop problems?) He has gained weight and he should actually be on light diet. When I try something lighter, he just gets more obsessed about snacking, and more poopy... It's incredibly hard to feed different things because he is all over his brothers, towering over their cups.

The worst thing is one of his brothers cannot eat Premium Edge, he likes it but gets totally blocked with constipation. Thus I cannot have either food freely available in large quantities without causing someone a tummy issue. An then there is the skinny brother who suffers if food is not available!

But I digress! Just thought I'd bring up what has worked for one stinker after I tried dozen different things that kept him stinky (especially in wet foods). Premium Edge really solidified his gut. Both regular and fat-boy version seem to help, regular has been better.
The food the vet gave me is an Iams veterinary formula; I think it's labeled "Skin and Coat Formula" or something similar. It's basically a lamb and barley based food. Apparently lamb is typically the first protein they recommend to try for food sensitivities.

I can relate to your issues with feeding multiple cats! This situation with Sprout has finally given me the motivation to switch to almost all-wet, since I can't free-feed right now with Sprout eating a different food. I have to put Sprout in a different room at mealtime, or mine wouldn't eat their "assigned" food either. I'm hoping Piper and Blue will slowly lose a bit of weight with rationed meals, but I am also trying to give extra meals (usually dry snacks) to my skinny Adam and young Bastian and Griffin.

Tomorrow I am going to try feeding Sprout the NV Instinct lamb formula. Fingers crossed that he does well on it! If so, the next step will be to see if I can get all the cats switched over to that food. That will make my life a lot easier!
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
Update: I think the switch to lamb-based food is helping! I decided that I wanted to feed part dry if at all possible; it was just too difficult trying to make sure Adam, Griffin, and Bastian were getting enough to eat without leaving food out for them. So right now, they are all eating Nature's Variety Prairie lamb formula dry and Instinct lamb formula wet. Sprout's tummy got a little upset with the initial switch, but seems to have settled down now. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this will work!

I was disappointed that I could not find a dry that was lamb-based and grain-free; apparently NV does not make dry Instinct in lamb? But honestly I will be happy to just find anything at this point. Lamb formulas are not easy to come by in cat food!
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