Originally Posted by thecanopener
And of course those basics should be handed out on a silver platter and paid for by the sweat of somebody else's
Yes, because I believe it makes it cheaper in the long run. If those who can't afford it can get medicine when it's just a cold, it doesn't turn into bronchitis/pneumonia or whatever which costs a heck of a lot more (they also can't pay for that, so it ends up costing you and me).
As a tax paying resident, with good health insurance coverage I still have to take my husband to the ER for a cat bite because nowhere else is open which costs us $400 out of pocket to get some antibiotics because of all those people who can't afford to pay. I'd rather put that $400 back into the system, so there ISN'T a $4000 charge just for walking in the doors of an ER.
Originally Posted by Siggav
Yes, if that's what it takes.
Note that it's not saying that everyone is entitled to a house of their own and a rich life. It's the basic necessities
that everyone is entitled to.
I don't care if people are evil, lazy, insane, drug addicts, morally bankrupt or wholly dependant on others. Everyone should have food to eat, a roof over their head, education for their children and access to medical care when they need it.
For me it is that simple.
There are also a lot of poor people who work very hard but can't get out of their situation due to a variety of reasons. I'm quite comfortable with tax money being used to help the people who are worse off than I am and I think it's the patriotic duty of people who are lucky enough or work hard enough to become truly rich to give some of that wealth back into their country and the other people living there.
Here is a really good write up of the situation that poor people have to deal
Exactly!! I'd rather live in a country where those who have enough money to pay taxes help out those who haven't been lucky enough to have the same opportunities. Those people who grow the food you eat, drive it to your local supermarket, stock the shelves, sell it to you - they're the ones who don't have adequate health insurance, or adequate pay, yet they are in essential jobs. Sure you can increase their pay, but then the market would fall apart. You need to ensure everyone has the basic necessities so the country as a whole can function.
Try talking to people who don't have health insurance, or have been laid off, and ask them how they got in that situation, and how they feel about universal health care.
Originally Posted by CarolPetunia
Momofmany's post above is a masterpiece, and it makes me proud to know her. I wish I had the fortitude to come into IMO and stand up for what's right the way she does, but I don't. Since I'm visiting here, though, I want to reinforce the most important thing she said:
"The debate between democrats and republicans is not on whether to socialize services for the population. It is how far reaching those services should go. Do I leave that kitten on the street? Do I pay for its health care? The answer comes down to the level of compassion within each camp."
We all know what happens when you leave the kitten on the street: more and more and more kittens, all fighting to survive in a hostile environment with inadequate resources. And the fight makes them fearful, desperate, vicious. It makes them forget how to love, if they ever had a chance to love in the first place.
That's why so many of us go to such great lengths to rescue the kitten, to heal him, to socialize him so he can find a good home and live a good life.
We don't expect the kitten to figure out on his own that there's something better than what he's grown up with, and to somehow build that better life all by himself. We understand that the kitten cannot change until we bring him into an environment where he no longer has to fear attack at any moment, where he no longer has to fight for food and shelter, and where he has better examples to follow than the ones he saw on the street.
Why do we get this about kittens, but not about our fellow man?
momofmany and Carol have put it beautifully! I do equate a feral kitten to a homeless, or a struggling uneducated person - they haven't had the opportunities, and I'll do what I can to help them.
Originally Posted by neetanddave
I think compassion is a wonderful thing. What's the quote about giving a man a fish will feed him for a day, teaching him to fish will feed him forever?
And you need to be able to have the resources to be able to teach him how to fish, and someone to give him a "handout" of a fishing rod and bait!
I can't vote here, but I live here and do my bit to help those around me, and can see the problems that lack of healthcare, lack of a better welfare system, and the "why should I have to care about others" attitude have caused. I can't imagine how you would make such changes in such a big country full of people with such opposing views, but I do see it happening in the future.