I have a few questions...

Sorry but this is going to be a little long...

Question 1:
In a few weeks I will be bring home a pure white doll face male persian kitten from a breeder that I found close to me. She is a CFA registered breeder, and she owns both my kitten's grand-sire and dam and my kitten's dam. My kitten is from their daughters first litter, she had her studded with another CFA registered persian.
However right now she is going though a nasty divorce with an abusive spouse, and the X to be came into her home and took all her paperwork and that included the CFA papers on all her cats . Since she can't register her litter, and CFA will not register a cat/kitten without it being "litter registered" first.
Is there any good group that I can register with without help from my breeder?

Question 2:
I'm just curious about this...
My Cousin owns a pure white doll face male persian cat, that's were I got the idea to get one her cat is a big fluffy teddy bear , she also has a black calico half-persian female cat. So anyway she plans to breed them and I was wondering if anyone knew what color the kittens mite be? The male in his blood line has both pure white and red smoke persian with either blue or copper eyes, and the female is mostly black and brown with some small orange patches there's no white in her fur.

Thanks for looking
~KatWild

Sorry, but I don't know much more than you about this. But, if you are paying alot for a purebred with papers, you should get the papers.

If you are not planning on showing or breeding the kitten, maybe you can pay less for the kitten. That would make sense to me. You get what you pay for though, and the situation sounds kinda shady to me. Maybe wait for a another litter from someone more prepared? Does she have all the rights to sell them? Maybe her ex might even block the sale if he has a finnacial stake in it? Hope it all works out.

Sounds a little shady to me, over here papers can be re-issued I assume the same applies in the US.

Regarding your friend, she should not be breeding those cats especially as one is only 1/2 Persian which essentially makes it a moggie.
She needs to get registered, purchase quality cats with breeding rights before going into breeding.

I searched for her info on the web before I even contacted her about her kittens. She has been breeding since about 2005 and she used to sell her kittens for $700 males and $800 female and she use to ship. However she got scammed a few times so she lowered her price to $200 male or female and will only sell locally now. I'm paying $150 for him because I can't CFA register him. Yes she could get copies of her CFA papers and I think she will just not for this litter. And like you I at first thought this was very shady. But I went to her house to see the kittens at 3 weeks old, and everything she said in her ad was true. Her house was clean the kittens were healthy, lively, noisy and fat As to the x tying to stop the sell, I highly doubt that, she owns them not him, anyway he is a drunk and she has a restraining order against him. ( How do I know this, she is one of those people who talk a mile a minute, and start telling you stuff about them you really didn't need to know.)

As for my Cousin I'm not her keeper so I can't tell her what to do, that being said she is a very kind and loving person and as our family is very large and she has lots of friends and she never knows a stranger, she already has people who would like one of the kittens. And I asked her about it and she said she is only going to do it once then spay the female, and she has more then a enough money to take care of any pet in style and she dose. Plus she is going to have the litter fixed and let anyone know who is taking a kitten that they can always bring it back to her for any reason.

Thanks for the replies
~KatWild

First, you cannot show doll-face persians in CFA - you may register them, but they would not meet the standard and would be disqualified. So papers are really not necessary, unless you really really want them. If they really are registered, the breeder can get replacement papers.

Second, regarding the breeding of your cousin's cats. I agree they should NOT be bred cause they are not registered cats and are pet quality - I don't care if its only one time or not. WHY does she want to breed them? To make a few bucks? Is she willing to keep these kittens for 3-4 months old? If not, then she should not be breeding. And she should be spaying and neutering any kittens she rehomes.

As far as color - male is white (carrying red or possibly cream if dilute is in there). Mother is tortoiseshell if she is black/red and no white (calicos are red, black with lots of white). She could get:

White males or females
Tortie or Red females
Black or Red males

If both parents are carrying dilute, she could have bluecreams or blue or creams in the mix too.

First, no I'm not going to breed or show my new kitten, as I have two purebred dogs with AKC papers I thought that I mite as well register my kitten if at all possible to do so. And my question was can I register him with a good registry WITHOUT HELP FROM HIS BREEDER. If not thats fine by me I just wanted to know if there was a way to do so.

Second, sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I never said at any time that my cousin's cats were "pet quality". The male is registered and classed as "breeder quality" and the female came from a "show quality" registered female cat that a small child accidently let out when she was in heat. The female looks just like her mother. Also not to be crass, but my cousin is freaking rich, so if she bred her cats she would not be doing it for the money. And as she lives in a big house and has a very large yard, plus a big heart I don't see why she would not be willing to keep them for 3-4 months or forever for that matter.

Thanks for the replies
~KatWild

If the female is the product of an accidental mating of a purebred mother to a stray tom, then the cat is NOT a purebred cat! Its a mixed breed and should NOT be bred. And even if she breeds to the male, the kittens would still NOT be purebred persians.

For your question regarding the papers, no you cannot register your cat in any of the purebred associations like CFA, ACFA, TICA without the blue slip from the breeder.

Originally Posted by KatWild

Second, sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I never said at any time that my cousin's cats were "pet quality". The male is registered and classed as "breeder quality" and the female came from a "show quality" registered female cat that a small child accidently let out when she was in heat. The female looks just like her mother. Also not to be crass, but my cousin is freaking rich, so if she bred her cats she would not be doing it for the money. And as she lives in a big house and has a very large yard, plus a big heart I don't see why she would not be willing to keep them for 3-4 months or forever for that matter.

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I would say that more than any other breed, the Persian standard is the most strictly judged in all of CFA. While to an untrained eye a kitten out of a Showcat X Moggie breeding might look "just like her mother," there will be great differences in bone structure, head shape, and even ear size/set that would make that cat an instant DQ in the show hall. You don't want to perpetuate those flaws in the breed, even if all of the kittens would be speutered.
If your cousin is "freaking rich" then she should really be able to get a litter of Persian Kittens the right way and contact a breeder for a registered female. If she is serious about breeding her male, she should also consider contacting someone from the CFA Mentor program. Cats should never be bred to make pretty kittens, they should be bred to improve the breed.
Finally, breeding is terribly, terribly costly. I have spent over $2,000 in vet bills on my recent litter of kittens. Because of their round head shape, Persians are said to have much more difficult births than other cats. Is your cousin prepared to hand nurse the kittens if something should happen to the mother? I went for three weeks with little more than 3-4 hours of sleep each night. Hand nursing babies is very, very hard work.
I hope she is able to make the best choice for herself and the cat.

No offense intended but let me say this...

I may not be "freaking" rich but I think most know by now that I am fairly wealthy...and frankly you need to be of a certain income to even consider breeding cats...unless of course you're in it for the money...

I certainly have no problems with anyone wanting to breed cats. I only have problems with irresponsible and unethical breeders...

My only advise to your cousin would be, if she wants to breed, do it right. Do not contribute to the stray population just because she wants just one litter, just to see what happens. There is already a lot of responsibility in just owning one cat - bringing in a few more into this world is a heavier burden to bear. Know what you are breeding and what's in the background.

There is much joy and happiness in being a breeder but on the flip side, there is also much loss and pain.

Getting off soap box now....