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post #1 of 13
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So now teachers in this part of Texas can carry a gun while in school.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26225072/

What do you think?

Personally, I can see pros and cons to the situation.
post #2 of 13
My friend is convinced that if every law abiding citizen were required to carry a concealed weapon there would be no crime. Maybe he's right, but there's NO way we could EVER enforce that in our country.

I do think this is a good idea in Texas and I think it should be implemented in other places. We trust our children with these teachers for most of their lives, and while we sometimes hear of teachers having relationships with students, there is never any violence from teachers that I've heard.

I think it's good that they have gotten all of the hostile situation and gun training. The superintendant really thought this out, I don't think it was done on a whim or without careful consideration and planning.
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by greenvillegal View Post
My friend is convinced that if every law abiding citizen were required to carry a concealed weapon there would be no crime. Maybe he's right, but there's NO way we could EVER enforce that in our country.
He's probably right. Once everyone is dead from accidental shootings because people who don't know what they're doing and who have no respect for guns has one, then there won't be anyone to commit any crimes.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
He's probably right. Once everyone is dead from accidental shootings because people who don't know what they're doing and who have no respect for guns has one, then there won't be anyone to commit any crimes.

No kidding.
I would never send my child to a school with a teacher packing heat. How in the world can you ever make sure it never gets misused? Wrestled from them by a student? Lost? Stolen? Or a teacher who is unbalanced themselves?
The scenarios can go on forever.
How about a student and a teacher having a gunfight and an innocent student gets killed.
How about the teacher misreading a situation and killing an innocent victim. Whatever a student gets the gun and then plans to shoot his entire class.

The idea is a bad one in my book and it points to hysteria. People think those school shootings could have been prevented and there is no way of knowing that.
post #5 of 13
[quote=CC12;2388833 The idea is a bad one in my book and it points to hysteria. People think those school shootings could have been prevented and there is no way of knowing that.[/QUOTE]
School shooters don't seem to be rational thinkers nor afraid of firearms
post #6 of 13
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School shooters don't seem to be rational thinkers nor afraid of firearms
Yeah, it also assumes that the teachers would be capable of not only shooting their students in such a situation, but that they would be able to do so before being shot themselves.
post #7 of 13
The university I go to now was host to a school shooting years ago... perpetrated by a professor. So honestly, it would make me uneasy to think that carrying a gun to school would be considered normal for anyone.
Teachers are not immune to flipping out and having murderous impulses either... and if they do, I would prefer if they didn't have a gun already with them.
post #8 of 13
I knew there was a reason I was moving to Texas. I don't have a problem with it as long as the teachers get the required training.
I pulled my daughter out of high school after 3 students that were bullied, as my daughter was, got thrown down flights of stairs, severely injuring 2 of them. Several students got thrown out of second story windows, and a student-teacher that I know personally got stabbed in her classroom.
There were students caught with guns, knives, brass knuckles, and God knows what else nearly every day. I think teachers should be able to protect themselves from those little hellions.
post #9 of 13
^Sounds like a school with serious problems. Teachers carrying guns in that situation wouldn't help one bit. You don't pull a gun on someone unless you're prepared to use it and for the consequences that come with shooting someone (even in self defense).

As to teachers not being immune to flipping out, no one is. Police officers, firemen, those in the military - people a community would look up to, yet one doesn't have to look far to find stories in their state of abuse and murder.
post #10 of 13
I'm no fan of guns. I have a target pistol that hasn't been fired in at least 5 years.

However, remember that this particular school is a 30-minute ride from the nearest law enforcement officer. In addition, the teachers are required to have a concealed carry permit, and of all the people who have such permits, virtually none have been involved in any crime involving the gun they carry legally.

In fact, a police officer is more likely to be convicted of the unlawful use of his gun than a concealed carry permit holder.

I've been through that town many times, by the way. It's a long ways from much of anywhere.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post

In fact, a police officer is more likely to be convicted of the unlawful use of his gun than a concealed carry permit holder.
Surely that's because policemen have to regularly put themselves into situations where they have to make a judgement call about using a gun, and so will sometimes make the wrong call? Whereas someone who has a permit to carry concealed will not necessarily ever have to feel the need to use it.

Or are we talking about outside of office hours?
post #12 of 13
The school district should hire security if this is a troubled school. I just feel like it a recipe for disaster.
Have you seen some high school students lately? They are HUGE. I am 5'7 and in my best shape pretty fit but I am sure one of those kids could overwhelm me easily. Especially if they formed a plan to catch me unawares and get my gun.

I understand the frustration and desire to be safe but I don't think this is the answer.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2 View Post
There were students caught with guns, knives, brass knuckles, and God knows what else nearly every day. I think teachers should be able to protect themselves from those little hellions.
My mom taught in an inner city school in Chicago and regularly took these things away from her students. I remember having a discussion with her about the possibility of teachers carrying guns to protect themselves a few times. From a teacher who taught in a violent school, there was no way that anyone wanted to carry one for a lot of reasons. The likelihood that a teacher would have the fortitude to shoot a student was fairly low. The likelihood that a violent student could take the gun from the teacher was high. The likelihood that if a gun came out that an innocent bystander would be shot was most likely. A teacher is not trained to handle these types of situations. Perhaps if they sent them to the same training that police officers go thru then I might agree. If they were to fund sending teachers thru the police academy, why not hire police officers and send them to these schools if this is such a big issue?

With that said, we're talking about a small rural school that doesn't have the significant crime problems as an inner city school. Geographically, rural areas comprise far more area than urban areas so I don't hold the "30 minutes from the closest police station" excuse very high. Most of the U.S. schools are more than 30 minutes from the closest station.
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