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Woman claims sperm was a "gift" and impregnates herself!

post #1 of 13
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7024930/

http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/02...-irons-md.html

http://www.glennsacks.com/sperm_theft_ruling.htm

http://njdivorceblog.typepad.com/new...erm_theft.html

I was talking to someone this evening and this story came up. I remember hearing about it when it was first made public.

The man and woman engaged in a sexual act while using a condom. He was insistent that they always use a condom because he didn't want her to get pregnant.

She apparently took the contents of a used condom and impregnated herself, and years later sued him for child support, which the courts ordered him to pay.

Yes, he was the father, but he took the appropriate precautions to prevent pregnancy, and the only reason she got pregnant was because she purposefully removed the sperm from the condom and impregnated herself. It was not an accident.

I can't understand why the courts would side with her and order him to pay child support, because had it not been for her purposeful and deceitful actions, there would be no child.

What are your thoughts?
post #2 of 13
I do not hink he should have to pay. She did it on purpose.
post #3 of 13
And what do you decide when you have a surragote mother give birth - the couple splits up (wife doesn't want the child). Husband would like the child but the laws in the country say he cannot raise the daughter by himself as a single father???????

Technically the guy is the father of the child and should pay the child support. Yes the mother was deceitful, but it is his sperm!
post #4 of 13
Child support is about what is best for the child. Yes the mother was a deceitful so-and-so, but it is unfair for the child to suffer as a result.
post #5 of 13
He should not have to pay a cent. He should have signed over full parental rights and then sued her for mental anguish, and whatever else he could have sued her for. He did what he had to do in order to not have kids. Yet his crazy girlfriend decided to make a huge life choice for him. He should be able to sue her for something. That is disgusting and unbelievable.

This woman shouldn’t have had kids if she couldn’t support the kid by herself… she made the choice by herself, she needs to deal with her choices by herself. It must be nice to be able to make stupid decisions then have someone else pay for it.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by silvionc View Post
someone else pay for it.
You know, something you said sparked a memory with me.

Back when I was working in a law office my boss had a client that was married for the second time. His first wife whom he had been divorced from for something like 10 years decided to sue him for alimony after the fact!

Apparently she had become sick with some disease (I think it was MS), and she wasn't able to work. The doctors told her that the disease is not sudden onset and that she's had it for several years but didn't know it.

She decided to sue her ex husband for alimony claiming that she had MS while they were married, and that it's his responsibility to provide her with some income because she can no longer support herself and if the disease had been prominent at the time of their divorce, she would have been entitled to such payment.

The courts actually found in favour of the woman and he was ordered to pay her $800 per month.

I remember feeling really badly for him because he was already paying her child support for 2 children. It seems that even when you divorce that you aren't really rid of the person and they can come at you years later for money and get it!
post #7 of 13
I feel really bad for that kid, but I just must LAUGH at this whole situation! What a disaster. Not to mention this line is hard to take seriously: “when plaintiff 'delivered' his sperm, it was a gift…There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request.â€



Honestly, since this is IMO and I can't write without an opinion... My opinion is that the child should be removed from the mother's custody. Obviously, she only has HER best interests involved, not the child's. I do think it is good that he can sue her for emotional distress or whatever they called it.

BUT, what I REALLY think is that I'd love to hear HER side of the story. Does she agree that that's what she did? All those links, I only read that he ALLEGES they never had sex, just oral. However, it seems HIGHLY improbably that she could, uh, not swallow without him noticing, and then transfer VIABLE sperm... Hmm... Me thinks that he is lying about what kind of sex they had. Of course, I could be wrong! Except, when I reread the OP, Natalie_ca says he claims to have used a condom... What I read said they "had oral 4 times, but never intercourse". Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by BelongsToEvie View Post
...he claims to have used a condom... What I read said they "had oral 4 times, but never intercourse". Am I missing something?
Um, oral WITH a condom....
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Jen View Post
Um, oral WITH a condom....
Guess I've been married too long now! Never even crossed my mind, obviously. I'll blame it on being distracted at work. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Tells ya all you ever didn't want to know about me.
post #10 of 13
Erh.. Why would oral need to be done with a condom?? Does it prevent sex diseases from being transmitted?

IMO, mother used the child as a tool to gain money and the father shouldn't have had to pay a single red cent.

From what I know, sperm doesn't have a very high survival rate. She must have been really lucky to get herself pregnant with sperm which was sitting in a condom (those things have spermicides don't they?). Besides, I'm pretty sure she couldn't have done the "transfer" immediately. Did they do a paternity test?!

Well guys out there, learn this lesson and learn it well.. Take the darned condom with you when you're done!
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Erh.. Why would oral need to be done with a condom?? Does it prevent sex diseases from being transmitted?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by BabyWukong View Post
IMO, mother used the child as a tool to gain money and the father shouldn't have had to pay a single red cent.

From what I know, sperm doesn't have a very high survival rate. She must have been really lucky to get herself pregnant with sperm which was sitting in a condom (those things have spermicides don't they?). Besides, I'm pretty sure she couldn't have done the "transfer" immediately.
I picture it like this: "Honey, let me get that for you." She removes the condom and goes straight to the bathroom to "dispose" of it. Instead of discarding it she steals his sperm. IMO it was not a gift!
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Did they do a paternity test?!

Well guys out there, learn this lesson and learn it well.. Take the darned condom with you when you're done!
Yup - no more napping!
post #12 of 13
Oh God, give me a break.
Unless that condom had a bow on it, it wasn't a "Gift"!
post #13 of 13
I usually stay clear of this forum, but couldnt help this one!

I think it's a bunch of crap. You're right, she did steal it - just cuz the bicycle wasnt locked to the bike rack doesnt mean it's free for the taking! It might've been irresponsible of the rider to not chain it, but the taker is still a thief!

And for all the sperm donors out there that ever made an emission to a bank - I would hope they're not responsible for future child support payments.

Unless there's some lying going on here... I dont think that guy should have to pay a penny - even though I feel for the child - but the guy was *virtually* raped, so to speak, he shouldnt be responsible.

Next time he will remember to flush it!

ETA: I cant believe these people are doctors - and I am infuriated by the Marabelli dude who says, “There’s a 5-year-old child here, imagine how a child feels when your father says he feels emotionally damaged by your birth.”

Uh.... imagine how the child feels when he/she realizes how the mother obtained him/her! Please!!!

Well, whatever - I guess the real question is who is telling the truth? The mother claims they had intercourse and the child was conceived conventionally - even if she was having an affair at the time. But the father is holding to his idea that they never had actual intercourse.

Where's the blue dress?????
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