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Except cry..

Cassidy refuses to use the litterbox, and I'm at my wit's end. I came so close to putting her outside this morning that it's not even funny. And I don't want to do that!

I've tried everything that I can think of to get her to use it, but she just won't do it. She's not physically ill - with the exception of her lame leg & deformed tail. I had to get up in the middle of the night to change the sheets, b/c she jumped onto the bed and got pooh on it. Then I couldn't get back to sleep, b/c she kept jumping back on it and I had to keep putting her back down. When I finally dragged myself out of bed, I went to take a shower, and had to clean pooh out of the tub before I could take one, b/c she made a mess in there sometime during the night. If that wasn't bad enough, I discovered there was pooh on my clothes when I went to get dressed. How it got on my clothes is anybody's guess..

There's pooh all over the house: on the carpeting, on the furniture, on the counters - everywhere. I've spent most of the morning cleaning it up. It's bad enough having to clean it up, but b/c of the situation with my back (I have degenerative disc disease) it makes it even more difficult b/c it's so difficult for me to bend over w/o any pain. I have to do a lot of squatting in place of bending, and b/c of that, my knees are getting bad too - which certainly doesn't help any. I'm miserable right now due to so much bending & squatting..

I sure don't mean to "whine", but I'm just soooo frustrated with her! I just don't know what to do anymore. I have her in "lock-up" right now in my bedroom, with food & water & a litterbox. I'm hoping she'll get the point. I don't know what else to do!

Please HELP!!

~KK~



post #2 of 29
I'm not sure if I missed a prior thread but--what have you tried to do to help the situation so far?

Leslie
post #3 of 29
Well being a first time cat owner, I do not have any great advice...I can only tell you what I would do.
Does your cat pee in the box? If she does, you should get another one for her to poop in.
Have you tried a different type of litter?? Maybe your cat hates the smell or something.
I wouldn't leave the cat in my bedroom while I'm at work. The last thing I would want to do is change my sheets again!!! I think I would put her in the bathroom or laundry room. I would probably leave the cat in there for a few days and see if it starts to use the box.
I would not let a cat that gets poop everywhere have free roam of the house, especially at night and when I'm not there.
I would take the cat to the box first thing in the morning, after eating, after playing, and last thing before you go to bed.
Good luck
post #4 of 29
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She's not physically ill - with the exception of her lame leg & deformed tail.
Is it possible her spine is injured? I know loss of bowel control is one of the symptoms. And it sounds like she is having small uncontrolled poops. Or is it possibly diahrrea?
post #5 of 29
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Is it possible her spine is injured? I know loss of bowel control is one of the symptoms. And it sounds like she is having small uncontrolled poops. Or is it possibly diahrrea?
Yes. her pooing so much is not a healthy sign. Seems like she is pooing too much.
post #6 of 29
It sounds like a medical issue. Get her to the Vet ASAP.
post #7 of 29
Has she been to the vet?
post #8 of 29
Deformed tails can go along with bowel and bladder issues. She may not be able to control her bowel movements or even feel them. This may be beyond her control.
A vet visit would be in order.
post #9 of 29
Have her checked completely by a vet ASAP. If she has little control over her bowels, there may not be a lot you can do. If surgery will not help, you might not have much choice but to cage her in a large built cage (floor to ceiling) or confine her to a washable room.

If she is having trouble getting in and out of a litter pan, maybe you need to figure out how to cut a lower side for her to step in and out.
post #10 of 29
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First of all, she has been examined by the vet, and he didn't find anything wrong with her spine. She runs & plays just as well as the other kittens do, and doesn't have any problems getting around. And I don't think it's a matter of her not being able to control herself, b/c just before she goes, she'll start looking for a place, and does the "cat walk in circles" thing. When I notice her doing that, I'll try and grab her so I can run her to the litterbox - which usually results in a mess from where she's trying to go to the litterbox. She does get diarrhea occasionally, but it's not always runny. But the other kittens get diarrhea too sometimes. Maybe I should quit feeding them canned food in the morning. Jinx also has the same handicaps as Cassidy, and I haven't had any problems with her: it's some kind of weird hereditary thing that they got from their mother...

She can get in & out of the litterboxes; I've seen her do it. She was using the litterbox in the beginning when I first trained the kittens. She didn't start poohing all over the place till after I let the kittens out of 'their room', and they had free roam of the place.


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I wouldn't leave the cat in my bedroom while I'm at work. The last thing I would want to do is change my sheets again!!! I think I would put her in the bathroom or laundry room. I would probably leave the cat in there for a few days and see if it starts to use the box.
I'm no longer working b/c of my spinal condition, so I'm home all day with her and the other cats. I really don't have a 'spare' room to use besides the computer room, and I don't want to keep her in there b/c I'm afraid she'll chew through the cables & cords. The bathrooms aren't that big: I guess I would feel as if it's 'cruel' to leave her locked up in such a small place all day & all night. My bedroom is really the only place to leave her where I feel she'll be 'safe'. I sure don't want a mess on my bed again, but I can always wash the bedding if it comes to that. I guess I'll just sleep on the couch or pump up the air mattress to sleep on till she learns.

As I've already said, I really don't think it's a physical issue - in spite of her 'handicaps' - and neither does the vet. I think it's a behaviour issue - although I can't understand just why. Cassidy receives just as much attention & loving as the other cats do - maybe even more. We kind of 'spoil' her b/c of her handicaps, b/c we feel badly for her. I would think that if anyone would have a behaviour issue, it would be one of the other cats - out of 'jealosy' or something. But we haven't had any problems with the other kittens, or the older cats, either. I think she's just gonna be one of those cats who has behaviour issues, that you read or hear about sometimes.

I guess my 'luck' was bound to run out sooner or later. I've had cats almost all of my life, and I've never had to deal with a "problem child" before. They've always used the litterbox..

Tomorrow we have to pay bills/shop, and I'm gonna see if there's something I can buy that might coax her into using the litterbox. I'm also gonna see if there's such a thing as kitty 'diapers'. I know they have them for dogs: maybe there's such a thing for cats, too. I'm getting desperate: I'll try anything at this point!

I appreciate everyone's help and feedback.

~KK~
post #11 of 29
Try the Cat Attract litter and see. Maybe she's the type of cat that doesn't like a lot of competition. But she still needs to be confined to a crate or one room for awhile to see if its medical or behaviorial reasons of not using the pan.

Cats can be frustrating as they can't tell us in words what's upsetting them and we have to play a guessing game.

What kind of food are you feeding now - maybe that is part of the problem.
post #12 of 29
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Try the Cat Attract litter and see. Maybe she's the type of cat that doesn't like a lot of competition. But she still needs to be confined to a crate or one room for awhile to see if its medical or behaviorial reasons of not using the pan.
I've tried the Cat Attract - but to no avail. I'm wondering if she's one of those "fussy" felines, too - who doesn't like sharing litterboxes..

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Cats can be frustrating as they can't tell us in words what's upsetting them and we have to play a guessing game.
Ain't that the truth! I keep picking her up and asking her, "What's the matter with you! Please tell me!!" But, of course, she doesn't understand. It's soooo frustrating!

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What kind of food are you feeding now - maybe that is part of the problem.
They all eat the same thing: Purina Special Care Indoor formula, and Friskies canned food for 'breakfast'. I'm wondering if maybe the "special" food I give to her may be causing her diarhhea (meaning chicken or pork chops or whatever I'm eating). She'll sit at my feet while I'm eating and give me that sweet little meow, and I can't resist! I don't give her a lot, but maybe it's causing problems..
post #13 of 29
If space will allow, you can try multiple litterboxes throughout the house, with 2 ea. per cat. The litter should be unscented - as they get older, they can become more aware of the irritating scents used in the litter.
You could offer her several types of litter, too; if she had an irritated rectum one time, she may associate that brand of litter with pain. Chicken feed is sometimes accepted more easily than just another kind of scoopable or clay.
Meanwhile, your own personal condition is known to be very painful - may you be doubly blessed for overlooking your own troubles and continuing to care for your cats - you are a real cat hero MAJOR HUGS, PRAYERS AND VIBES to you all
post #14 of 29
Have you tried confining her to a room where she has her own litter box, just for a bit? I imagine her use/non-use of the litter box in that situation would tell you a lot.

It does sound like she's having trouble "holding it" - although that might not be the only issue. I would cut out the table scraps (I know it's hard to say know to kitten eyes!) and maybe consider switching to a higher quality food. My kittens have pooped once a day since they were 3-4 months old and I switched them off the Walmart junk they came to me on!
post #15 of 29
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If space will allow, you can try multiple litterboxes throughout the house, with 2 ea. per cat. The litter should be unscented - as they get older, they can become more aware of the irritating scents used in the litter.
I have several litterboxes placed throughout the house, all with unscented litter. I do sometimes use a litter deoderizer that you can add to the litter, but I cut back on it for now.


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Meanwhile, your own personal condition is known to be very painful - may you be doubly blessed for overlooking your own troubles and continuing to care for your cats - you are a real cat hero MAJOR HUGS, PRAYERS AND VIBES to you all
That's very sweet of you to say so, and I appreciate the compliment. But I'm not doing anything "special" that a good cat meowmy wouldn't do for her "children".

for your suggestions!
post #16 of 29
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Have you tried confining her to a room where she has her own litter box, just for a bit? I imagine her use/non-use of the litter box in that situation would tell you a lot.

It does sound like she's having trouble "holding it" - although that might not be the only issue. I would cut out the table scraps (I know it's hard to say know to kitten eyes!) and maybe consider switching to a higher quality food. My kittens have pooped once a day since they were 3-4 months old and I switched them off the Walmart junk they came to me on!

I've been sending her to her "room", after she makes a mess. I'm hoping that she'll get the point. She hates being on "lock-up", and whines her head off when I put her in the room. I probably should keep her in there constantly till she learns, but I start feeling badly when she starts crying. I'm such a wuss. I'm gonna try it this way for a few days, and if she continues to make messes, I'll keep her on continuous lock-up till she DOES learn. I reckon I'll just have to buy a set of earplugs to drown out her crying..

She's not having any problems holding it. I watch her almost constantly when she's not in her room, and I can always tell when she's fixin' to go b/c she does the circular "cat walk" thing. I managed to get her to the litterbox last night when I noticed she was fixin' to go, and I held her there till she was done.

It's a work in progress. All I can do is keep trying.

post #17 of 29
I can't really add anything except, one of my boys is a sprayer and he
is marking everything in sight, curtains, couch, chairs, my bed, pillows, even me. I covered my bed with a crinkley plastic, they say they don't like the feel of it so he stays off my bed. At least then at night I can sleep. I use Urine Gone and a Feliway difuser it seems to calm him down a bit. I don't have a problem with the poop side of it.

Good luck.
post #18 of 29
Your situation sounds a lot like what we went through with our Gus. There were days that he couldn't control himself and would poo wherever he was at the moment, and other times that he purposefully avoided the litter box. He even pooped on my lap one day. We were at our wits end with him, but after having him checked out by our vet to ensure that he was not ill it was determined that he had food allergies. The vet suggested that he had associated the litter box with bad feelings, like cramping and such and was experimenting with "safe" places to go. It was only after he was on an appropriate diet that contained nothing he was allergic to that we could correct his pooping all over the house. We purchased all new litter boxes. Both the vet and a behaviorist suggested the large "under bed" storage containers instead of a cat box. We also changed to World's Best Cat Litter, per recommendation of our vet, and added Cat Attract. Since we've made all of these changes we haven't had a single incident of him pooping out of the box.
post #19 of 29
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Your situation sounds a lot like what we went through with our Gus. There were days that he couldn't control himself and would poo wherever he was at the moment, and other times that he purposefully avoided the litter box. He even pooped on my lap one day. We were at our wits end with him, but after having him checked out by our vet to ensure that he was not ill it was determined that he had food allergies. The vet suggested that he had associated the litter box with bad feelings, like cramping and such and was experimenting with "safe" places to go. It was only after he was on an appropriate diet that contained nothing he was allergic to that we could correct his pooping all over the house. We purchased all new litter boxes. Both the vet and a behaviorist suggested the large "under bed" storage containers instead of a cat box. We also changed to World's Best Cat Litter, per recommendation of our vet, and added Cat Attract. Since we've made all of these changes we haven't had a single incident of him pooping out of the box.
That's funny that you should mention those under-bed storage containers, b/c that's exactly what I'm using. We have ten cats, so a "regular" litterbox just isn't big enough.

I suppose Cassidy could have food allergies. It's something to consider. How did you find out that your cat had food allergies? And what's the World's Best Cat Litter? I've never heard of it..
post #20 of 29
You may have already looked at this site. Dr Jean was on the expert forum recently. http://www.littlebigcat.com/?action=library Scroll down to titles regarding "litterbox".

There is also an article on "food allergies".

http://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/ I used this litter with my kittens because they were eating the other litter

Recently gradually switched to http://www.preciouscat.com/ . I am trying the kitten litter from Precious Cat now because it is fine like sand and several of my adult cats seem to like it better.

I hope things get better.
post #21 of 29
Wishing you the best & luck,
post #22 of 29
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I suppose Cassidy could have food allergies. It's something to consider. How did you find out that your cat had food allergies? And what's the World's Best Cat Litter? I've never heard of it..

Well we adopted Gus at 8 weeks and he had slightly loose stool then. It was always slightly loose and he seemed to go a lot throughout the day. I pay a lot of attention to my cats habits [after having one die very young and unexpectedly, I suppose I'm paranoid]. At that time he was eating a dry food that had chicken, bison and venison proteins. I started feeding him wet food once a day that was chicken based, and that was about the time that the diarrhea started. He was pretty ill whenever extra chicken was added to his diet. We changed him to a lamb based food for 8 weeks and he was still having problems. By this time he was 5-6 months old so we were really fed up with the pooping and took him into the vet. But before I went to the vet I made a long list of every detail of the situation that I could think of...different foods we tried, times when the diarrhea got worse, types of litter we tried, box locations, box cleanliness, times he peed on the floor, etc etc. Literally everything I could think of, I wrote down. When we took him into the vet she ran all the tests to check for any other medical problems, we discussed my list, and to her it sounded like food allergies. He was put on a prescription to cleanse his GI tract, and changed his diet to a hypoallergenic diet and it worked.

In short, I think determining a food allergy is really just ruling out any other medical issues with a vet, and doing food trials. It's just important to sort things out before the litter box issue becomes a habit because the longer it goes on the more difficult it will be to correct.

World's Best Cat Litter is a ground corn litter. It was highly recommended.
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post #24 of 29
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You may have already looked at this site. Dr Jean was on the expert forum recently. http://www.littlebigcat.com/?action=library Scroll down to titles regarding "litterbox".

There is also an article on "food allergies".

http://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/ I used this litter with my kittens because they were eating the other litter

Recently gradually switched to http://www.preciouscat.com/ . I am trying the kitten litter from Precious Cat now because it is fine like sand and several of my adult cats seem to like it better.

I hope things get better.
Thanks for posting those links. I'll check them out!
post #25 of 29
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Well we adopted Gus at 8 weeks and he had slightly loose stool then. It was always slightly loose and he seemed to go a lot throughout the day. I pay a lot of attention to my cats habits [after having one die very young and unexpectedly, I suppose I'm paranoid]. At that time he was eating a dry food that had chicken, bison and venison proteins. I started feeding him wet food once a day that was chicken based, and that was about the time that the diarrhea started. He was pretty ill whenever extra chicken was added to his diet. We changed him to a lamb based food for 8 weeks and he was still having problems. By this time he was 5-6 months old so we were really fed up with the pooping and took him into the vet. But before I went to the vet I made a long list of every detail of the situation that I could think of...different foods we tried, times when the diarrhea got worse, types of litter we tried, box locations, box cleanliness, times he peed on the floor, etc etc. Literally everything I could think of, I wrote down. When we took him into the vet she ran all the tests to check for any other medical problems, we discussed my list, and to her it sounded like food allergies. He was put on a prescription to cleanse his GI tract, and changed his diet to a hypoallergenic diet and it worked.

In short, I think determining a food allergy is really just ruling out any other medical issues with a vet, and doing food trials. It's just important to sort things out before the litter box issue becomes a habit because the longer it goes on the more difficult it will be to correct.

World's Best Cat Litter is a ground corn litter. It was highly recommended.

I think chicken might be causing her diarrhea. She loves the stuff, and whenever I'm eating some, I usually give her "treats" of chicken. I noticed that the past few days her pooh has become more solid, and she hasn't had any chicken. So maybe that's what's causing her to have runny pooh.. The only way to know for sure is to see what happens the next time I feed it to her.

Can you buy the World's Best Litter at Wal-Mart? Or do you have to get it from a pet store?


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I pay a lot of attention to my cats habits [after having one die very young and unexpectedly, I suppose I'm paranoid].
I know the feeling. I have two cats that have the FIP virus, and any time one of them even so much as sneezes I get all paranoid. They're on Interferon to keep them in remission, but it's no guarantee. They could become immune to it at any time..

Thanks for all your help!
post #26 of 29
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I was so excited yesterday b/c Cassidy did her business on the puppy pad, but some time during the night she poohed on the carpeting again: I got woken up by my s/o's cursing. I guess he stepped in it. But that's partly his fault, too - IMO. I keep telling him he needs to wear shoes or slippers in the house till we get her trained. And the little stinker (no pun intended ) poohed on the hallway floor again this afternoon, so I had to lock her in her "room" again: I feel like a criminal or something leaving her in there all the time.

When I let her out, I gave her a bath, b/c she was getting pretty stinky. I figured I was in for a big battle, but she actually was pretty good about it. I think she may have been actually grateful to me for getting the pooh off her. After I gave her a bath, I wrapped her in a towel and cuddled her, and told her that even though she's getting on my nerves, I still love her. You just can't help but love her: she's such a sweetheart!

I really am beginning to think that the reason she's going on the floor is b/c of her deformed tail. The pooh gets stuck to it when she goes, and I think that she's "blaming" her tail - if that makes any sense. I know what I mean, but I don't know how to say it. I'm having one of my "senior moments" today..

Anyway, I told my s/o to see if Wal-Mart carries the World's Best Cat Litter (he works there), and to pick some up if they have it. It's worth a shot, anyway..

I'm gonna have Cassidy's tail amputated, as soon as we have any extra money. I really believe that once it's gone, she'll quit poohing on the floor. My poor little cripple: I feel so badly for her..
post #27 of 29
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I'm gonna have Cassidy's tail amputated, as soon as we have any extra money. I really believe that once it's gone, she'll quit poohing on the floor. My poor little cripple: I feel so badly for her..
Have you seen a vet about her pooing and her tail?
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Have you seen a vet about her pooing and her tail?
The vet said he could do the amputation, as long as she's healthy - which she is, and if there aren't any complications. We're just waiting till we get the money, which hopefully, will be soon. My s/o's supposed to get a bonus in his next paycheck, which will help us out a lot!
post #29 of 29
I meant to seek their professional opinion on what the problem is, because it may have nothing to do with her tail at all.
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