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post #1 of 22
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The early investigation seems to be indicating that the gunman targeted the Unitarian Universalist Church did so because he had a dislike for their "liberal views".

Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views
post #2 of 22
Wackjob. That's all I've got to say about that.
post #3 of 22
That freaks me out. I've attended a UU church/meeting hall (it depends on how the congregation votes to what it's called) in the past.
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The early investigation seems to be indicating that the gunman targeted the Unitarian Universalist Church did so because he had a dislike for their "liberal views".

Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views
Intolerance rears it's ugly head again.

What denomination is this UU church? I'm assuming they were not considered to be Christians by the gunman.
post #5 of 22
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Intolerance rears it's ugly head again.

What denomination is this UU church? I'm assuming they were not considered to be Christians by the gunman.
101 questions should take you though it.
post #6 of 22
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Intolerance rears it's ugly head again.

What denomination is this UU church? I'm assuming they were not considered to be Christians by the gunman.
It is rooted in Christianity, from way back during the protestant movement, but the Universalism title came from them seeking to expand and grow spiritually. They looked to all sorts of different faiths, thinking that the truth might be a combination of several, if not all of them.
post #7 of 22
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101 questions should take you though it.
Ooh, very good link. That explains it much better than I ever could have.
post #8 of 22
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101 questions should take you though it.
I just skimmed the first couple pages - interesting "religion" but would appear to definitely not be Christian.
post #9 of 22
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Intolerance rears it's ugly head again.

What denomination is this UU church? I'm assuming they were not considered to be Christians by the gunman.
This wasn't mere intolerance. This was an act by a mentally deranged person.

Not a lot of detailed information has been released at this point, so I will not simply assume that this man thought the congregation was un-Christian. He did, however, from early reports, have a hatred of what he perceived as ultra-liberal philosophies of this particular church.
post #10 of 22
Here is the local TV station website with a few more details. What a sicko.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...=61339&catid=2
post #11 of 22
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This wasn't mere intolerance. This was an act by a mentally deranged person.

Not a lot of detailed information has been released at this point, so I will not simply assume that this man thought the congregation was un-Christian. He did, however, from early reports, have a hatred of what he perceived as ultra-liberal philosophies of this particular church.
Deranged indeed.

I would have to say his hatred is a given.
post #12 of 22
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Deranged indeed.

I would have to say his hatred is a given.


Yes, hatred is a given here, but the question is what specifically, was the object of that hatred.

The latest radio reports are that the man was angry about his inability to find a job, as well as his hatred of this church's liberal philosophy.
post #13 of 22
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The paper in Knoxville just put a fairly detailed series of interviews online. It paints a pretty scary picture. He appears to have had a religious upbringing, but rejected it, even hating his parents for making him go to church, hated everyone that wasn't basically a mirror image of his own ideals. He was a loose cannon by the very definition of the word.

Accused church shooter threatened to kill wife, himself
post #14 of 22
The poor man needed help so many years ago and never got it. What a pity.
post #15 of 22
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101 questions should take you though it.
That's a great link, Heather, and a very "universal" type of church which seems like it would be very appealing to those who reject too much dogma.

There's just way too much bitterness and hatred in this world, and it's hideous that he would attack a children's performance.
post #16 of 22
It's sad when any collection of people (at a Mall, at McDonalds, at a school, at a church or meeting house) are targeted by a deranged person. My mother goes to a UU church, but she also goes shopping and sometimes she goes to fast food restaurants. As many have implied, the problem is that it's difficult/impossible/a result of our failed mental health system to keep people from totally losing it and killing other people. The problem is not extreme right-wing hatred of liberals. The problem is that this one individual was unhinged.

It's sad that a social meeting/ spiritual recharging group was targeted, but would it be any less sad if a McDonalds was targeted? I don't think so.
post #17 of 22
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It's sad that a social meeting/ spiritual recharging group was targeted, but would it be any less sad if a McDonalds was targeted? I don't think so.
Your quite right, it doesn't make any difference. Just like at Virginia Tech, this is a case of a badly unstable individual going on a murderous rampage. It's an example of what the media does to us at times. The news was quick to report that he hated the congregation's "liberal views", which immediately gives people the impression of him being a simple bigot. But in fact, he hated everyone that differed from him, and it now seems that before she moved away, his ex-wife had been a member of that same church. He may very well have targeted it thinking that they had influenced the failure of their marriage by filling her with those liberal ideas.

This is one where we'll just have to ignore the headlines and read the whole article
post #18 of 22
He sounds like a person with Antisocial Personality Disorder. His fixation on this church was deeply personal as I believe most people who do these things have a personal agenda underneath it all. When I heard what kind of church it was I immediately thought it would be an extremist nutjob. The church here has some beautiful music programs and does a lot of good work in the community with the poor. But they are somewhat controversial which is why I thought that when I heard the story.

Are they considering it an act of terrorism?
post #19 of 22
Where can you go these days and feel safe? Nowhere, IMHO.
post #20 of 22
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Are they considering it an act of terrorism?
I don't think so, at least they haven't yet. The FBI is investigating it as a hate crime though.
post #21 of 22
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I don't think so, at least they haven't yet. The FBI is investigating it as a hate crime though.
It fits the bill. Whatever the underlying reason you can't target people because of religious beliefs.
I feel sorry for the victims and their families. Not to mention all of those poor children who will most likely end up with nightmares and issues of their own now.
post #22 of 22
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It's even more sad now. Not one of the issues he was blaming for being unable to find a job had anything at all to do with it. He had been a truck driver, and his being unable to find a job was because of his two DUI arrests that potential employers were finding during his background. His problems were brought entirely on himself by himself, yet he felt it was the rest of the world's fault.
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