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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
The big problem here is that BOTH parties are against what the majority of American people want on this issue. We aren't going to be happy with either candidate. And it is too bad, really. Because it is an important issue.



After the comprehensive immigration reform bill failed, McCain said he "heard the American people". Perhaps he heard, but he didn't listen, since he's going to try to push that bill again. A huge disappointment.
post #32 of 51
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But then saying Iraq and Pakistan border each other? Again...I knew that it didn't. A few seconds looking at a map would have told him that. Wrong information about the surge he is so proud of talking about? Forgetting the war started with Afghanistan? He says foreign affairs are his strong suit. He is supposed to be more experienced yet he says things that make no sense. Vladimir Putin of Germany? Not getting Sunni and Shiite correctly...in 2008. How can he possibly be an asset on the middle east if he doesn't understand the complexity of the turmoil between the different groups?
Not to hijack the thread, but the Iraq-Pakistan border thing kind of scared me!
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
I'm glad that some folks are keeping an open mind despite the concerted effort of the media to force-feed Obama to the public.
That's what I'm scared of.

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Here is a good link KT, a friend emailed me today.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...01702713742569
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11912.html


But there are cracks beginning to show as Obama's arrogance grows by the hour.


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...2-25adc276c25d


There are some people that would say that many Americans are so dumbed down they would actually let the media determine the election.


I am waiting for the McCain-Obama debated. I can't wait.

here again - this is a concern of mine.
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post


After the comprehensive immigration reform bill failed, McCain said he "heard the American people". Perhaps he heard, but he didn't listen, since he's going to try to push that bill again. A huge disappointment.
My only hope is that he meant it when he said he would separate the two issues of secureing the borders and amnesty. So maybe we can get some good stuff passed and then fight the amnesty by itself.
post #35 of 51
Well, this just sort of says it: Obama met with economic advisers yesterday. That group included Warren Buffett, Google chairman Eric Schmidt, Treasury secretary Paul O'Neill, and Securities and Exchange commissioner William Donaldson.

McCain told everyone to wear sunscreen. And called for increased oil production.

To me McCain seems horribly out of touch.
post #36 of 51
People complain that he doesn't have foreign policy experience, and whine that McCain has visited Iraq x times, and then when Obama goes and visits those places and proves he has foreign policy cajones, then he's arrogant?

Also, all my life I've heard people ask for a single candidate who didn't rely on attack ads. Now McCain is relying solely on attack ads, and his campaign is actually anti-Obama rather than pro-McCain. Some of his ads (like the one saying he didn't visit the military hospital in Germany because they wouldn't allow cameras) are demonstrably false. And yet people are under the impression he is being attacked by Obama.

It's hard, for once, to put myself in the shoes of someone who truly supports McCain. Possibly because I've yet to see it. I wonder sometimes if McCain even supports McCain. He can't even remember his own policies, ie how long a timetable should be to end Iraq (16 months sounds good) or if we should (I never said that).

For a lot of Americans, this is finally not an election of lesser evils, and McCain and Karl Rove have no idea what to do except keep pretending it is. Looking at the poll numbers, this is failing drastically.

I too, can't wait for the debates. Obama will win easily and by far.
post #37 of 51
Hey, wait a minute, wasn't this thread about Obama's failure to visit wounded soldiers in Germany???

(And I admit I'm guilty of veering off the topic too ... )
post #38 of 51
I don't think much of the story at all. Obama was doing very well on his foreign trip which had McCain gripping how inappropriate he was being. The next thing you know, even though the stop at Ramstien had to have been okayed far in advance, word comes out the military were altering his plans. Looks to me like both sides are playing the game. As soon as Obama was looking Presidential and getting accolade abroad a memo comes out from the Undersecretary of Defense. The timing just looks a little to defensive. Personally I think the military did frame their request to Obama that it would be inappropriate for him to visit. In this game of he said/she said I have to go with Obama. Not 100% because I think he plays games as well but just a little more believable in this instance.
post #39 of 51
He could not visit the troops in Germany. He had visited plenty of troops but he was not allowed to bring his campaign staff in this case. He was fine not having cameras but they told him at a late date that he would have to visit with his senatorial staff. That sounds great but his senatorial staff were back in Washington. These trips are tightly scheduled and if he could not bring his staff then they should have told him that before.
The footage of him playing basketball instead is false too. It was taken in Iraq as he was playing with the troops. Not when he would have been at the hospital.
The fact that they had to stoop to out and out lying makes me wonder if they are having a tough time coming up with something substantial.
I watched Chuck Hagel being interviewed. He was part of the trip and thought that the attack was inappropriate and he is friends with McCain.

McCain is not the man he was 8 years ago and it is becoming more apparent as time goes on.
post #40 of 51
Unfortunately the press is hurting Obama much more than they are helping him. Their constant fawning over him is turning people against Obama because a substantial, if not majority, percentage of people in this country do not trust or even like the press. They are trying to turn him into some kind of perfect person and putting him on a pedestal. The problem with that is that anyone put on a pedestal eventually falls off and in many people's minds that person goes from perfection to having no good qualities at all.
post #41 of 51
I just think it's a bit arrogant and presumptuous of him to do a European tour as a "candidate" for presidency. It indicates to me that he has some inside knowledge that he's definitely going to be the next president and there's nobody else in the running. I personally find that arrogance and assumption distasteful.
post #42 of 51
McCain visited with the Dalai Lama. It isn't really that odd for presidential candidates to go abroad, especially when their ability to do foreign diplomacy is being questioned.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
McCain visited with the Dalai Lama. It isn't really that odd for presidential candidates to go abroad, especially when their ability to do foreign diplomacy is being questioned.
I didn't realize that, it makes sense re the foreign diplomacy angle - thank you.

Perhaps McCain needed to consult with the Dalai Lama, hence the visit.

J/K.
post #44 of 51
On the original topic of the thread, the Washington Post has an article today about this issue, statements by both campaigns, the McCain ad about it, and information from reporters on the trip. Here's a link to the article.

I really can't see how this is an "issue" at all, honestly. It seems like a lot of fuss about nothing.

These two quotes from the Washington Post article appear to sum it all up.
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In fact, there is no evidence that he planned to take anyone to the American hospital other than a military adviser, whose status as a campaign staff member sparked last-minute concern among Pentagon officials that the visit would be an improper political event.

On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had visited wounded soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the District and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the week -- both times without reporters.
The broader issue of a foreign campaign trip is a very interesting one, but not exactly one of Obama's making. McCain had been complaining about his lack of any visit, ever, to Afghanistan and the amount time since he'd been to Iraq (McCain even had a ticker on his website), and now he's complaining that a foreign trip doesn't makes sense? Sure, there can be differences between information gathering trips and campaign trips, but that fact that he'd be a huge change in how people abroad see the head of state of the US is really important to me, and because it might be important to other people, too, it makes sense as a campaign issue for Obama to highlight. It's a campaign strategy, not behavior based on hidden knowledge that he will win the election.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I just think it's a bit arrogant and presumptuous of him to do a European tour as a "candidate" for presidency. It indicates to me that he has some inside knowledge that he's definitely going to be the next president and there's nobody else in the running. I personally find that arrogance and assumption distasteful.
How else is he to do the tour? He is a candidate for president. I sincerely do not get the problem. Other than he was very well received for the people that do not like him.
post #46 of 51
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How else is he to do the tour? He is a candidate for president. I sincerely do not get the problem. Other than he was very well received for the people that do not like him.
If he's going on his tour in some sort of official Congressional capacity that's one thing but I'd have a big problem with it if he's doing this foreign campaign tour at taxpayer expense, rather than using his own campaign money to fund it. Is he using his funds or are we footing the bill so he can campaign overseas?
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
How else is he to do the tour? He is a candidate for president. I sincerely do not get the problem. Other than he was very well received for the people that do not like him.
Actually, there was no problem, just my personal opinion which ZissousMom addressed very coherently for me - I learned something today. I did not realize that it is a normal occurrence for your presidential candidates to do foreign tours. I don't believe our Canadian candidates for Prime Minister do that (I could be wrong about that though).
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
If he's going on his tour in some sort of official Congressional capacity that's one thing but I'd have a big problem with it if he's doing this foreign campaign tour at taxpayer expense, rather than using his own campaign money to fund it. Is he using his funds or are we footing the bill so he can campaign overseas?
The same could be asked about McCain's overseas travel, though.

According to one of my least-favorite news sources, Fox,
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Obama's trip is expected to be divided into two parts. He will travel to Iraq for the first time since January 2006 and to Afghanistan for the first time ever as part of an official delegation, paid for by taxpayers. He also will travel to other stops in Europe and the Middle East as a presidential candidate, paid for by campaign dollars.
The full article is here

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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I just think it's a bit arrogant and presumptuous of him to do a European tour as a "candidate" for presidency. It indicates to me that he has some inside knowledge that he's definitely going to be the next president and there's nobody else in the running. I personally find that arrogance and assumption distasteful.
U.S. expats like me can make campaign contributions and vote, and such "overseas votes" and contributions interest both candidates. Article
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Barack Obama's campaign has received roughly 10 times more money from declared U.S. donors living in Germany, France and Britain than his Republican rival, reflecting his popularity in Europe as he makes his first tour of the continent as the presumed Democratic nominee.

Federal Election Commission reports show Obama has raised at least $1 million from donors who identify themselves as Americans living in Great Britain, Germany and France, while John McCain has taken in at least $150,000.
post #49 of 51
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U.S. expats like me can make campaign contributions and vote, and such "overseas votes" and contributions interest both candidates. Article
Thanks Trish, I didn't know all that stuff. Certainly makes more sense now why he would want to do the European tour. I knew that we had some US folks living in Canada that will be voting but certainly didn't know there were so many abroad.
post #50 of 51
I think its sensible for Obama to tour.
As a result of this he's received so much press coverage in England, and has been likened (in a popular comedy programme) to Jesus. If he does become president it will mean that he starts from a much stronger position with Europe. While Europe doesn't choose the American president we will have to deal with him afterwards, so the more we like him the better.
Charisma is so important, just look at England's last 2 Prime Ministers
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I remember when Bush went to Iraq and served up food for the troops.
Why not, since he's the reason the troops are there. And if you think that wasn't just a gesture for the cameras, think again.

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Think we will ever see Barack doing that? When pigs fly probably?
Who knows? It's not something I'm going to base my vote on though

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This is not what I want in a Commander in Chief.?
Obama couldn't possibly be any worse than our current Commander in Chief.
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