Originally Posted by yam102284
Some my excuse for not wanting to wake my sleeping child is selfish?
If there was something you could do (IE: Collapse the stroller) in order to allow that wheelchair bound person to get on the bus, but you refused to do it for whatever the reason, then yes, it is selfish because your actions or lack thereof, results in a person in a wheelchair being left at a bus stop because you have taken up all of the space with your one stroller. If your kid is so tired and needs to sleep, then they should be left home, or you should maybe sit quietly in a spot for awhile before getting on the bus so that they can get in a nap before the ride home.
|I don't think so. I'm in no way a selfish person, and I would GLADLY give up my seat for an elderly/handicapped person if I was alone.
Sorry, but I still see that as being selfish. A person in a wheelchair can get on the bus if you are alone, but if you have your kid in a stroller, tough luck? Selfish. It's not ok for one person to take up 2 wheelchair spots plus 1 or 2 ambulatory seats. That is just wrong!
|But it comes differently if I have a child and multiple things I'm trying to manage. I didn't say I agreed with transit but there are different situations which would warrant getting up or moving for an elderly person.
Strollers that are decent size are safe for a child. I'm not about to put my child in a death-trap umbrella stroller just so I can fold it up on a bus. The fact that a decade or two ago, they didn't have the new strollers that are safe for children. They probably did have a few, but maybe not many. If you research some of the things that happened or things that people had 10-20 years ago, you'll see that some of them weren't the safest for people to use/be doing. (I would do the research, but I don't have time right now)
Then either leave the child at home with a sitter, or save your errands for when you can get a ride with someone.
If you can't, and must use a bus, then use a collapsable stroller. You are of the mind set that all strollers that collapse are "death traps", that is simply not the case. There are many very strudy strollers that can be easily collapsed to take on public transportation.
If you have too many parcels with you as well as the kid, then you obviously have more than you can REASONABLY manage to carry while using public transportation. Start being more selective about what you leave the house with because you know you will be bringing stuff back with you.
Being elderly doesn't automatically make you "handicapped" or "diabled", being in a wheelchair or having to use a walker or a cane to help you get around, does.
The fact that you feel your open stroller that takes up 2 wheelchair spaces is acceptable, and that you refuse to collapse the stroller if your kid is sleeping or you have more than you can REASONABLY manage to carry on a bus, makes your behaviour selfish, and the fact you feel that a sleeping child shouldn't be distrubed so a wheelchair bound person can get on the bus is a sorry excuse to justify the selfish behaviour.
That goes not only for you, but anyone with a stroller who refuses to fold up the stroller to allow someone in a wheelchair on the bus.
|Oh and also the fact that you think people feel the world revolves around them now that they have children? I definitely feel that's not true. I feel that people are just as courteous and polite when they have children, than if they don't. Now this is in my area, but that's also my opinion. I've had people pushing "huge buggy type strollers" that still stop and hold the door for me, instead of hitting me in the face, or pause to let me go ahead of them. It's all in the type of area that you live in. People are more courteous or less courteous depending on where you live.
That has nothing to do with the issue at hand about wheelchairs being left on the curb due to large buggy type strollers on the bus taking up the wheelchair spaces.
Nothing you say will ever convince me that it's right to leave a person in a wheelchair or with a walker at the bus stop because of an open stroller on the bus. It all comes down to excuses to justify behaviour and appease guilt at the fact that the selfish action of refusing to collapse a stroller lead to a wheelchair bound person being left at the side of the road to wait for the next bus. If you can sleep well at night knowing you were responsible for leaving someone in a wheelchair at a bus stop because your kid was sleeping, I guess that's all that really matters, isn't it?
EDIT: Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. I've made my point and I've fired off letters to several people, and I hope to get the policy changed. For those who also agree that this policy is just wrong, I will keep you updated as to what happens. So far the Mayor's office has acknowledged receipt of my email. My city councillor agrees with me and has forwarded the correspondence to the Director of Transit. One of the disability advocate societies has gotten my email and has forwarded it to several top executives, and one agency I've yet to hear from. I also haven't heard back from the journalist or television news channel that I contacted.