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I messed up on a few things because I never had a horse before her and no one in my family really knew how to train horses. Oh well, I love her and I can ride her, so I suppose that's all that matters.

There is a mom in my little sister's 4-H class that just sold their family horse because it lost at the little kid 4-H show and spent 5,000 DOLLARS on a pre-trianed horse for a 11-year-old girl. That's not talent! It's so unfair, you win the shows if you have money, not because you're a good rider.
 

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Originally Posted by lauracatlover

Cool!
i wish I could do that
lol
Hopefully you'll have your own horse someday!!! If you had $500 ($325 Euros) and a boat you could have our little Palomino filly!
 

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I have always trained my own horses too, and I have done well at some shows, and others not so... It always depends on the judges and their opinions of a 'well trained' horse. I think a well trained horse, also is a horse that travels comfortably as well (not racing around the ring, mind you, but not snail speed either...Lol!)

One thing that I have always been proud of is my horses; I always do TONS of desensitization with ANYTHING and everything I can find, so they usually don't bat an eye at anything at a show...Lol! Most people thought my Pride, last year, was an old hand at the show thing, but he had NEVER been to one in his 6 years of life!Lol! I had him jumping over barrels and poles (which he'd never actually seen before that day), doing at liberty stuff, using bleachers for my 'mounting post' (another first). He hung out at the trailer that night (we arrived a day early) like an old pro...he was quieter than our dogs!! Lol!

I didn't ride in any classes at that show, due to not having found a properly fitting saddle for him at that time, yet, but I did show him in hand, at halter, and rode him all over the grounds, and he did better than some of the horses that I know are there all the time...I half thought about riding exhibition with him, but it was a huge show, so I didn't want to take up time.
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

There is a mom in my little sister's 4-H class that just sold their family horse because it lost at the little kid 4-H show and spent 5,000 DOLLARS on a pre-trianed horse for a 11-year-old girl. That's not talent! It's so unfair, you win the shows if you have money, not because you're a good rider.
Well, if they don't spend the $$ on the lessons, to keep the girl up on the level of the horse's training, then they'll be losing with that horse too.

While I don't agree with purchasing of fully trained horses, if one is going to go that route, you do have the responsibility to retain that training the horse already has. If you don't, then all that money is going to go to waste anyway.
 
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

Hopefully you'll have your own horse someday!!! If you had $500 ($325 Euros) and a boat you could have our little Palomino filly!
Aww
Thanks


Except it would be pounds, not Euros.
hehe
 

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Originally Posted by faith's_mom

I have always trained my own horses too, and I have done well at some shows, and others not so... It always depends on the judges and their opinions of a 'well trained' horse. I think a well trained horse, also is a horse that travels comfortably as well (not racing around the ring, mind you, but not snail speed either...Lol!)
These judges must have been overly excited about the snail speed horses then
I really hate western pleasure crap....the trot is just a high stepping walk and the lope has hardly any foreward movement


Sounds like you have a great horse on your hands! My paint is absolutely scared of EVERYTHING. Unless I've shown her it a thousand times before she's scared of it. She'll walk through any water, over tarps, over bridges, walk right up to a running tracker, put her head in a car window when it stops to chat with us, etc. But when a simple little post or tree limb is next to the ring she freaks. It wasn't the kinds jumping and running next to the ring or the bright colored poles and barrels, it was the gosh darn fence surrounding the pen that scared her.


Originally Posted by faith's_mom

Well, if they don't spend the $$ on the lessons, to keep the girl up on the level of the horse's training, then they'll be losing with that horse too.

While I don't agree with purchasing of fully trained horses, if one is going to go that route, you do have the responsibility to retain that training the horse already has. If you don't, then all that money is going to go to waste anyway.
Well then I'm happy about that! The little girls' mom took the horse to a workshop we were at and told the trainer that her daughter hardly ever rides the horse. The trainer spent a lot of time with them because this expensive wonderfully trained horse took off in a wild gallop as soon as the little girl got on it. I know I shouldn't laugh, but it teaches them to spend all that money on a 3-year-old horse with extensive show training. Probably only for experienced riders is my guess, because the trainer got on and didn't have any problems. It sidepassed, backed up, and neck reined beautifully.

I've rode one quarter horse that was worth $6,000 and the second I got on him I knew that horse had WAY more training than I could handle at my riding level.

Originally Posted by lauracatlover

Aww
Thanks


Except it would be pounds, not Euros.
hehe
Oh shoot, well then it would be 260 pounds.

What would 260 pounds buy you? Is that a lot of money or not for a baby horse?
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

I know I shouldn't laugh, but it teaches them to spend all that money on a 3-year-old horse with extensive show training. Probably only for experienced riders is my guess, because the trainer got on and didn't have any problems. ?
Ahhh...in that light, my opinion of the spending changes!!!

See, it's THAT kind of spending that makes me mad...Under most conditions NEVER is a 3 year old horse suitable for an 11 year old child.

Now there are kids who spend every waking moment in the saddle, with a trainer, because they love it that much; those kids could handle a horse of younger age. But your normal kid who only wants the horse to occasionally ride it to show off to friends, or win a couple of ribbons???? The parents need to be slapped... the kind of money they spent on that young horse could easily buy a suitable middle aged 'been there done that' type of horse; one that has had extensive training, is still boisterous enough to show, but knows how to take care of the level of rider he has...
 

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Originally Posted by faith's_mom

Ahhh...in that light, my opinion of the spending changes!!!

See, it's THAT kind of spending that makes me mad...Under most conditions NEVER is a 3 year old horse suitable for an 11 year old child.

Now there are kids who spend every waking moment in the saddle, with a trainer, because they love it that much; those kids could handle a horse of younger age. But your normal kid who only wants the horse to occasionally ride it to show off to friends, or win a couple of ribbons???? The parents need to be slapped... the kind of money they spent on that young horse could easily buy a suitable middle aged 'been there done that' type of horse; one that has had extensive training, is still boisterous enough to show, but knows how to take care of the level of rider he has...
I had to ask my sister because I thought he was older, but nope, he's 3. That explains why he is so slim and young looking..... Why you would buy a horse that young for an 11 year old girl that doesn't care about anything but blue ribbons
She had one of the most beautiful well trained horses at the 4-H and got 6th place out of 7.

I hate parents like that, and I dislike her and her mother very much. Her mom caters to the little girls every whim.
 
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

Oh shoot, well then it would be 260 pounds.

What would 260 pounds buy you? Is that a lot of money or not for a baby horse?
That would be waaaayy too cheap to sell a horse over here for! The horses over here are sold usually from 800 - 10,000 pounds, so I guess that's around $1500 - $20,000? LoL I'm no good at this converting business!


And even if we bought one for 10,000, there would be loads of bills for feed, tack etc....

260 pounds would just about buy me HALF a labrador puppy, as they're usually for sale at around 500 pounds each
 

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Originally Posted by lauracatlover

That would be waaaayy too cheap to sell a horse over here for! The horses over here are sold usually from 800 - 10,000 pounds, so I guess that's around $1500 - $20,000? LoL I'm no good at this converting business!


And even if we bought one for 10,000, there would be loads of bills for feed, tack etc....

260 pounds would just about buy me HALF a labrador puppy, as they're usually for sale at around 500 pounds each
Oh my goodness!!!! The horse market in the US is pretty cruddy though. Horses that would have went for $5,000 4 years ago are hardly getting sold at $2,000. $500 for a weanling around here is actually pretty pricey!

I went to a horse auction on Monday, not really looking for a horse, but I found one I just had to have. Good broke horses were going for $600-$900. A BLUE ROAN quarter horse, broke with a little kid riding went for $600!!


The one I wanted was AMAZING! A little kid rode out, stopped the horse, stood on its back, swung a whip with a plastic bag on the end around the horse and on the face of the horse......the horse didn't FLINCH! And on top of that she was GORGEOUS! She was a registered black and white quarter horse paint, but sadly she went for nearly $2,000 and that was well out of my price range.

This isn't her, but this is the kind of paint she was, and about the size. My dream horse
(right before the gypsy vanner because I could afford this sooner than a gypsy
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Ahhh...you could do that with Bon...it would just take lots of desensitization and trust building exercises...Lol!
 
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I think if I ever do get one I might have to come and get one from over there!
 

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Originally Posted by faith's_mom

Ahhh...you could do that with Bon...it would just take lots of desensitization and trust building exercises...Lol!
I'll have to work some more on it!
We have another show this Sat. I'm going extra early so we can walk around in the ring a bunch of times. Hopefully she'll do better in the show ring this time around!

Originally Posted by lauracatlover

I think if I ever do get one I might have to come and get one from over there!
You might have to!!!
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

I'll have to work some more on it!
We have another show this Sat. I'm going extra early so we can walk around in the ring a bunch of times. Hopefully she'll do better in the show ring this time around!
If she is hyped up with you walking her in hand; throw a longe line on her, to get rid of, and focus her mind and energy on you instead of what is going on around her...you will be surprised how quickly she will catch on to look to you for direction, especially when you start putting her excited energy to use in a 'scary area'. She'll learn that the things around her 'must' be okay if you are asking her to stay there; even if she is moving her feet.
 
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Huhhh...

I'm now in a bit of a depression seeing as I go away tomorrow for a week and miss out on my riding!




And something else which shocked me when I went on Saturday is I asked for Breeze and they said that the farrier had messed up BIG TIME and had put NAILS IN HER FRONT FEET. Basically he'd totally missed the shoe and put it right in the frog (or roundabouts that area)
I don't know whether she'd spooked or what, but she is now lame in both of her front legs!


Typical, the one I fall in love with is injured.


Speak to you sometime next week peeps!
 

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Originally Posted by faith's_mom

If she is hyped up with you walking her in hand; throw a longe line on her, to get rid of, and focus her mind and energy on you instead of what is going on around her...you will be surprised how quickly she will catch on to look to you for direction, especially when you start putting her excited energy to use in a 'scary area'. She'll learn that the things around her 'must' be okay if you are asking her to stay there; even if she is moving her feet.
Hey thanks for the info! I'll have to do that! She lounges great, but she's blind on one side so I only lounge her one direction. She stops imediately when I bend over slightly. I'm not sure if that's what your supposed to do, but that's what I taught her. I was told by one trainer that I should make her lounge in the other direction, with me on the blind side, but she FREAKS out, I feel so bad for her because she's so lost and so scared. We don't have a round pen so all lounging is done strickly on a lounge line.

Originally Posted by lauracatlover

Huhhh...

I'm now in a bit of a depression seeing as I go away tomorrow for a week and miss out on my riding!




And something else which shocked me when I went on Saturday is I asked for Breeze and they said that the farrier had messed up BIG TIME and had put NAILS IN HER FRONT FEET. Basically he'd totally missed the shoe and put it right in the frog (or roundabouts that area)
I don't know whether she'd spooked or what, but she is now lame in both of her front legs!


Typical, the one I fall in love with is injured.


Speak to you sometime next week peeps!
See you in sometime then!

I can't believe the farrier screwed up and made that horse lame on both feet!
We go strickly barefoot because all the problems that can happen and do happen from shoes. Bonnet ripped one of her shoes off a few years ago and the nail almost sliced all the way down her hoof. That was the last time I've ever had shoes on her.

I hope she gets better soon! Poor thing! And what luck!
 

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Originally Posted by lauracatlover

And something else which shocked me when I went on Saturday is I asked for Breeze and they said that the farrier had messed up BIG TIME and had put NAILS IN HER FRONT FEET. Basically he'd totally missed the shoe and put it right in the frog (or roundabouts that area)
I don't know whether she'd spooked or what, but she is now lame in both of her front legs!


Typical, the one I fall in love with is injured.


Speak to you sometime next week peeps!
Sounds familiar, I'm in love with the cheekiest little cob at my riding school - 13.3hh and pure attitude. But he's been off work for the last month and a half with a bad back and I'll probably not get to ride him again before I go to Uni


Hope she's not footsore for much longer. Lovely horses at your school, by the way!
 

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You all have such lovely horses! They look so well cared for in the pictures.

This is my Paint mare Feathers
 
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