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post #1 of 18
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How long does this thing go on now? If we are really sure he and sons are bye-bye, when do you declare the cease fire? How do we know when we have won? I understand all about occupation afterward, but what exactly means the end of the war?
post #2 of 18
I guess as long as there is resistance there will not be a cease fire.
post #3 of 18

I've gotta agree with you. If he (they) are confirmed dead, we should be packing our bags and outta there by the end of the week. Otherwise, what's our purpose?

I'm quite disappointed in some of the reports of US military behavior, too. I absolutely respect and support them being there, but some of the things I've read just make me shake my head.

Things like "This city is freakin' ours!" boasted Capt. Chris Carter of Watkinsville Ga

and (from one of the palace raiders): "This used to be a nice place. They should turn it into a Six Flags or something." said Spc. Robert Blake of State College, Pa.

And the taking of "souvenirs"...how long til they end up on Ebay?
post #4 of 18
I am at the point where I believe very little about what is being "reported." We supposedly got Saddam the first day of the war, then we tried for him again last night? We also do not have DNA samples for this person, so how are they going to prove they actually got him when or if he does become obliterated? I think as far as the ground troops go, we have "some" really green, nervous trigger happy soldiers that will shoot first and ask questions later. 20 days of this conflict is enough for me- but they have yet to even approach Saddam City where supposedly all the Royal Guards have fled to regroup. One commander last night said that the coalition troops were reluctant to even approach that section of Iraq, and then he added, until Baghdad is under control.
post #5 of 18
I think we are going to be hearing about iraq for a long time to come.This was is never going to end. beacuse they have to set up a new goverment. and we have to protect and feed and fix everything over there untill the country gets back on its feet. I personaly dont care weither Iraq is free or not. Its nice but why do we have to pay for it. I care about stockpiles of mass weapons but not iraqi freedom.
post #6 of 18
There will still be pockets of resistance, for a while. The fedayeen and Lion Cubs will need to be rounded up, to keep them from going off to join Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad or one of the other terrorist groups.

Some aspects, of government have already been put into place. The British have installed a local sheik, as the "mayor" of Basra.
post #7 of 18
I personaly dont care weither Iraq is free or not. Its nice but why do we have to pay for it. I care about stockpiles of mass weapons but not iraqi freedom.
I really must disagree with this statement. Why should one nation use it's strength and might to protect itself from alleged stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, whilst at the same time not lifting a finger to help the nation it's very strength is destroying?

As the Iraqis did NOT vote Saddam Hussein into power, why should they have to suffer for what could be interpreted as Western paranoia?

I am very opposed to this war - not to the principle of the war, but to the methodology by which 2 primary powers took it upon themselves to proclaim their agenda the correct and moral one. However as the troops are now in Iraq - the moral obligation turns 360 degrees and the onus is now on a quick resolution and a rebuilding of a country and population destroyed.

It is grossly insulting to imply (and that's how it come across to me - I will stand corrected if need be) that as long as the US and her citizens are safe, the Iraqis can go and get stuffed.
post #8 of 18
I dident mean it that strongly. I dont know everything. Given a choice i would pick world peace.I guess thats why i write on the cat site and not for the UN.
post #9 of 18
I am also very anxious to see what happens next. We were just having this discussion last night (a couple of friends and I).

If the whole point was to kill Hussein and his sons (and people in power), that means the war is over once they prove his death, right?

Nevertheless - Leaving un-finished business behind can be very dangerouse. the danger is not only to the Iraqi people or the countries around Iraq, but also for Europe & the States - Suicide bombers have really strong bases in Iraq, and they can send their murderers all around the world. I think that's something to consider. I am terrified of those bombers, and the idea of one more suicide bombing - Here on anywhere else, is sickening.

So I don't really know the answer...
post #10 of 18
Sorry Binky - I didn't mean to have a go at you . . . it was late and I was rather upset about a whole bunch of stuff last night.

I think this war is raising emotions to a higher level and making everyone aware of their own safety - quite understandably.

I hate fighting and am the most mild-mannered person - all this agression just freaks me out, I want to know what is happening, but I don't want it on my TV, radio and computer 24 hours a day.

Maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand . . . I don't know.
post #11 of 18
The thing that bothers me about the rhetoric surrounding the war is that our government (not just Bush, all of them) went from saying we need to destroy their weapons of mass destruction that the UN said they should not have before it started, to we are now "liberators" of the Iraqi people. They changed the purpose of the war right in the middle and that I don't like.

I do think Saddam needed/needs to be removed from power. He is a threat to his own people and people and countries around the world. I also think we should have taken out Khadafi how many years ago when he was being militant but he's really taken it down a notch since the mid-80s. Would Saddam have done the same given the chance? We'll never know for sure.

The thing is, since we have gone in and are removing the people in power, it is our obligation to assist in or take the lead role in rebuilding the country. The UN will have a large role in it as well, which they should. We are doing it in Afghanistan, we did it for Germany and Japan after WWII. (By "we" I mean the Allies, the UN and NATO, not just the US.)

The thing to remember is that all the destruction and the horrid condition these people live in didn't happen with a 3 week military campaign. One reporter said yesterday on the radio that he's been to many Middle Eastern countries and he has never seen such sqallor as in Iraq. When you hear the people in Basra are starving but they just found a whole warehouse full of food, water and cash from the Oil for Food Program that had never been given to the people, you know that the problems were there well before we showed up 3 weeks ago.
post #12 of 18
Planned Parenthood has weighed n, on rebuilding Iraq. Their president was on MSNBC, last night. Their stance is that, since we're fighting for freedom for the Iraqi people, that main freedom that we should give them is contraception and abortions. HOW ridiculous is this!?

The Iraqi people need food, water, medical care and education. I don't know if Islam has a prohibition, on birth control but I don't think that Planned Parenthood should be pushing their agenda, onto the Iraqi people.
post #13 of 18
Thanks Yola I do agree with all your points. I was experiencing a bit of war fatigue myself when i said that.
post #14 of 18
There is no order now and that is the scary. We do not have enough troops to restore order, even if the resistance fighters quit shooting at the coalition troops. It is sad to think that these people were in such tyranny that they delighted in the toppling of a statue and dragged the head of their once mighty leader down the road. I do understand how one man can be so evil, what I don't understand is how he was able to find others who thought nothing of torturing and killing innocent people. The tour of their infamous prison gave me nightmares, especially when they showed where the women and children were imprisoned.

It is not over by a long shot, in fact it has hardly begun.
post #15 of 18
Civil affairs units are in Kuwait, waiting to be inserted. They and MPs will be responsible for maintaining order and getting the utilities back on.
post #16 of 18
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others also found their henchmen. Sad, but true. Things seem to be a bit more orderly in Baghdad this morning. There are now citizen patrols, and a police force is being put back together.
post #17 of 18
At first, there wasn't much that the military could do. Can you hear the screaming, if they had started shooting civilians for looting?
post #18 of 18
Earlier, someone mentioned that they would not be able to ID Hussein if he was killed in a bombing run, because they would not have his DNA. They likely do have his DNA. One of his mistresses at some point started working for one of the intelligence services, and I have a feeling that might have been something they asked her to, uhm, 'acquire' for them. (One of the cable stations has said that the coalition does have his DNA profile, altho they didn't say from where.)
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