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post #1 of 22
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What do you think of when the terms "black hole" ,"angel food cake", or "devil food cake"? Evidently these terms are now racist even when used in proper context.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html
post #2 of 22
This could be so many things. It could be that he's actually heard those terms used that way locally and thinks it's some kind of national thing. Or it could be that we have here a local official that really, really wanted to be on the news. Or, it could be that a local official really, really wants to impress his constituents. Or, if he actually thinks that anything black means blacks and anything white means whites, then he could just be a little nuts.
post #3 of 22
You should have titled your post "Taking PC to astonishing new depths". That would have been much more accurate.
post #4 of 22
I hate it when the language I know - perfectly innocent and ordinary words - get their meanings changed in order to satisfy someone's self-inflated sense of offense. The language was here before they were. Now I have to be careful of what I say all the time for fear of misusing a word that that has a new and politically correct meaning that's far removed from what I learned that the word meant. Maybe I'm just getting old and set in my ways......

Why don't they just invent a new word for what they deem offensive? There are new words being invented all the time for other things.
post #5 of 22
Lulzors.

Yes, and in Spanish class they shouldn't be allowed to teach you the word for the color 'black' (negro).
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Lulzors.

Yes, and in Spanish class they shouldn't be allowed to teach you the word for the color 'black' (negro).
But...but...if I can't say Black Beans OR Frijoles Negros, how I am going to make my homemade chili??
post #7 of 22
This reminds me of an old song: CAUTION, CONTAINS AN OBSCENITY

You've got the nerve to call me colored
post #8 of 22
I think the part that bothered me is that he compared those terms to

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"I think people should always be careful. You know, I'm okay if I'm 'bartering' with you. ... But if I try to 'Jew you down,' Oooooh. Is that racist? I thought it meant the same thing? No, maybe it doesn't."
I think the difference Mr. Price is missing is the fact that "Jew you down" was NEVER an acceptable phrase to use, nor can it be used in any other way that is not offensive.

When will this end???????
post #9 of 22
I had never even heard the phrase "Jew you down."
I have heard of black holes - maybe that's because I know a little bit about physics.

Maybe Mr Price should spend more time getting an education and less time making himself a laughingstock.

So is Black Beer out too?
post #10 of 22
All I can say is O. M. G. For pete's sake, Black hole is a scientific term. Yes, it is called a black hole because IT ABSORBES EVERYTHING, inlcuding light so you can't see it. The only way to detect it is because EVERYTHING gets absorbed and pulled it. I refer to my job as a black hole, because I'm sucked into it and can't get out because of bills I have to pay. Maybe if this guy educated himself a little bit more and realized that not everything associated with "black" is a racial comment, he may have a little bit more understanding.

Black is a color. I'm just waitng for them to take the black crayon out of the crayola box because it's racist to call it "black". Where will it stop?
post #11 of 22
I heard about this on the radio this morning and all I could do was shake my head at the absurdity of it
post #12 of 22
I live in one of the Dallas suburbs and the entertainment/absurbness of John Wiley Price can't be believed. My first memory of him was him jumping up on the front of a woman's minivan to prevent her entering a picketed area and breaking her windshield wipers. This was a soccer mom who had no intention of doing anything wrong - he wouldn't even let her back up because it made better video for TV.

The Dallas Morning News has had a series of articles on Black & White viewpoints, written by two of their staff who are of those races. Very interesting. The Black viewpoint is missing this week as he is on vacation, but Steve Blow wrote his viewpoint today.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....41f4132e.html
For those of you who don't want to register to read it:

Dallas commissioners' 'black hole' brouhaha exposes depths of racial chasms

06:53 PM CDT on Thursday, July 10, 2008

Well, I wish my compadre James Ragland weren’t on vacation this week. The Dallas County Commissioners Court sure served us up a big, juicy topic for another installment of our “Talking Race” series.

To be honest, the matter seems so silly that my first instinct was to ignore it.

But this thing seems to be blowing up, not blowing over, so let’s talk about black holes and racial chasms.

First, the obligatory background: In a discussion among county commissioners Monday, Kenneth Mayfield (white) said a county office seems to have become a “black hole” for paperwork.

That prompted an “Excuse me!” from John Wiley Price (black), who declared the term racially loaded and offered “white hole” as an alternative. Justice of the Peace Thomas G. Jones (black) then joined in, demanding an apology from Mr. Mayfield (still white).

Mr. Mayfield refused, saying later, “Anybody who’s offended by that statement needs serious psychiatric help.”

OK, putting aside the larger question of the county commissioners and mental health, there’s one more bit of background that’s essential:

Kenneth Mayfield and John Wiley Price hate each other.

Oh, that’s probably too strong. Let’s just say they’re a whole lot more like oil and water than ebony and ivory.

They sit side by side on the Commissioners Court, but the conservative white Republican and the liberal black Democrat are miles apart in every other way. So the sparks do fly.

They love to get their digs in. But they also engage in a lot of humorous banter.

And all this began as just the typical half-playful, half-pointed jab and nothing more.

Unfortunately, we live in a time when some will pounce on any racial issue for their own gain. And that includes a lot of white folks as surely as it does the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons.

The conservative blogs and right-wing radio shows are having a field day with this tiny incident because it serves their purposes so well.

I talked to Mr. Price on Thursday and he’s astounded that this has become such a big deal. He said it’s unfortunate that Judge Thomas escalated things by asking for an apology.

“It was never meant to be more than a five-second teachable moment,” he said.

In that regard, Mr. Price isn’t backing down from his initial comment. He said a racially sensitive person seeks to avoid using “black” in its many negative forms.

Mr. Price said Mr. Mayfield handled his comment well, coming back with a quick joke of his own and then moving on.

When Judge Jones asked for an apology, Mr. Price said he quickly brushed that aside precisely because it made too much of the matter.

As I said in our “Talking Race” columns, this kind of hypersensitivity to language really has become counterproductive to racial progress.

It leaves earnest people fearful of discussing race, afraid of accidentally giving offense. And it plays right into the hands of those who are more interested in mocking than making racial progress.

But one thing I also learned from the “Talking Race” exercise is that sometimes we just have to accept that different life experiences lead to different viewpoints.

As a white person, I probably can’t fathom what it’s like for the color of your own skin to be synonymous with — to quote from the The Synonym Finder — evil, dirty, criminal, satanic, corrupt, sinister, disgraceful, foul, ghastly....

There are always other terms to use, Mr. Price said, even for “black hole.”

“He could have just said ‘a file 13.’ ”
post #13 of 22
Just when you think it can't get any more absurd, somebody has to come along and prove you wrong!
post #14 of 22
While I appreciate that it can be difficult sometimes when your skin colour has negative connotations, this is beyond ridiculous.
Reminds me of a poem by Benjamin Zephaniah called White Comedy
It contains a word I think is bad that rhymes with bog, so I won't quote it directly.
post #15 of 22
Even if he was only half-serious, he was an idiot. Everyone knows what a black hole is. He not only made himself look bad, but he belittled real racism that is still out there. If you keep crying wolf, soon no one will listen to you.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Or, if he actually thinks that anything black means blacks and anything white means whites, then he could just be a little nuts.
btw - it's that one...
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
Even if he was only half-serious, he was an idiot. Everyone knows what a black hole is. He not only made himself look bad, but he belittled real racism that is still out there. If you keep crying wolf, soon no one will listen to you.
Excellent point.
post #18 of 22
I have heard the terms 'jew them down' and yes it offended me. I am not Jewish but my Grandpa was. It is not a nice saying.
Indian Giver. I used to say it all of the time until someone pointed out how ugly the term is for Native Americans.
But for real people. I think this man sits in his house thinking of ways to get attention. He was watching Discovery Channel about outer space and then somehow in his brain he was offended so then it meant ALL black people were offended and see he is the voice of the African American community and therefore he has to speak out in order to show us all the error of our ways coz he is a crusader against wrong doing and this is wrong and then blah blah blah his crazy brain kept going.

He needs to invest in long term therapy.
post #19 of 22
Personally, I think JWP wants to be the next Jessie Jackson.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
Even if he was only half-serious, he was an idiot. Everyone knows what a black hole is. He not only made himself look bad, but he belittled real racism that is still out there. If you keep crying wolf, soon no one will listen to you.
To late, no one is listening now. And if they are they are laughing.
post #21 of 22
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Personally, I think JWP wants to be the next Jessie Jackson.
Jessie has been kind of in the background for the last few years, hasn't he? He's been eclipsed as a media star by Rev. Al Sharpton. I have to wonder if Jessie knew that mike was on, because he needed the attention. He didn't care whether it was good or bad, he just needed the spotlight.
post #22 of 22
Oh dear. I hate how everyone seems to find a way to take something out of context and make it seem offensive. Is there seriously nothing better to do?!
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