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post #31 of 44
Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
MAny people believe in Global Warming due to Al Gore. But he has, absolutely, no qualifications in anything regarding Global Warming.
But my link to many scientists, close to 4,000 of them disagreeing with Global Warming is pooh-poohed.
I can't do much here but repeat myself. I don't necessarily love Al Gore either. He may have overestimated, or sensationalized, climate change. The reputable scientists who actually study this sort of thing, however, acknowledge global warming but not Gore's particular brand of it. Al Gore is guilty of creating a sort of "pop climatology" just as happens with any other field.

Having a BA in something vaguely science related does NOT make you a scientist. If it did, I qualify, so why don't you take my opinion as proof just as much as that website you quoted?

But none of this comes CLOSE to lying, editing government reports willfully, and launching a misinformation campaign the way Cheney has done.

Our disbelief, as a country, of global warming is laughable to most people who don't live here. They don't realize that we're bombarded by the Cheney-machine, with government officials downplaying it in favor of profits for their friends and former/future employers. Cheney baldly lies to us, and all you can do is whine about Gore's personal energy consumption. They've sure got you right where they want you, don't they?
post #32 of 44
Global warming seemed to miss Illinois. Last year we had the longest, hardest, coldest Winter I can remember. Global warming....
post #33 of 44
Cheney is being a typical politician, Al Gore Von Doom is no different. I don't like either one of them.

I don't buy into the all of the hysteria about the man-made global warming theory. I'm all for conservation, recycling and cutting down pollution/greenhouse gases because, for the time being, this is the only planet we can call home but it still remains to be seen what, if any and how large, of an impact humans will have on the natural heating and cooling cycles of the planet. There are times in the history of this planet where it was much warmer than it is now and there was little to no ice at either pole as well as major and minor ice ages. Nature is the most powerful force in the universe and will trump man every time.
post #34 of 44
We all need to do our part for the environment. Recycle, drive less, etc, etc
Al Gore has harmed the movement more than helped IMO
post #35 of 44
Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
What? Cheney doesn't have a Nobel Prize...
Ahhh Haaaa! I was thinking Al Gore!

post #36 of 44
Ok, folks, now that we've sorted out that it was not Cheney who got the Nobel Prize, perhaps we can return to discussing him, and the alleged actions of his office...

Jason Burnett, formerly senior adviser on climate change at the EPA, says that the VP's officer was "deeply involved" in removing 6 pages from a report on global warming. The VP's office says that the science was "questionable".
post #37 of 44
I don't know for sure which side is right, but this web site can give you good arguments on both sides:

Climate Debate Daily

It is still true that 1934 was the hottest year on record, and there has been no measurable global warming since 1998. And some scientists think that since the sunspot count is declining, we are in for some very cold weather. The hurricane predictors have been wrong, badly wrong the last two years.

But we've had a pretty warm summer here, so far.
post #38 of 44
Climate change is not weather! Whether your winter was particularly cold or not has absolutely nothing at all to do with global warming, and neither would a particularly hot summer.

IMO, this debate isn't even a debate. People who do not fully understand what global warming is, and are fed lines by Cheney et al, don't believe it. Everyone else who understands what it actually means realizes it is real and is trying to help fix the massive, possibly life-threatening problem, they've created.

With almost everything, there are two or more possible opinions. With global warming, there aren't. I am truly sorry that it is that way, but it's like arguing that the sun doesn't shine.

I am sad at the damage that Cheney has done, among others, in making it seem there is ANY viable alternative to understanding that people and our actions are directly affecting our environment for the worse. I does nothing but allow people to continue behaving self-destructively. Which is fine- but hey, your self-destructive affects every other person on the planet, so it quits being a private matter of just not caring how your actions affect everyone and becomes a public matter of having your finger on the button and believing (delusionally) that it won't affect anyone but you, or even worse, that the button your finger is on isn't real.
post #39 of 44
There has been drastic climate change for 4.5 billion years.
Nothing new. There was climate change before humans walked this planet.
post #40 of 44
Of course, the climate's always changing. That's why I think the popular term "global warming" has done a disservice to what's really happening: artificially accelerated climate change. When it all settles down in what passes for equilibrium for the next 10,000 years or so, it remains to be seen whether the overall climate will be warmer or cooler. Melting all the polar ice can soak up an awful lot of heat and put an awful lot of moisture into the air. But what's of immediate concern is that accelerated climate change produces more volatility in weather patterns: more extreme swings, more violent weather. I know it's just anecdotal evidence, but I'm convinced the weather has become more volatile just over my lifetime.

My conclusion is that the whole debate about whether the climate is warming up or not is pointless. We should be debating what we can do to stop fueling climate change with our human activities, because otherwise the weather is going to get so crazy violent that it's going to be difficult to live on the surface of the planet, whether it's cold or whether it's hot.
post #41 of 44
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I don't think that it's too late to stop human influenced climate change. But, I have complete faith in our governments that they will wait until long after it's really too late to do anything about it.

Bush Balks on regulating Greenhouse Gases
post #42 of 44
Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Jason Burnett, formerly senior adviser on climate change at the EPA, says that the VP's officer was "deeply involved" in removing 6 pages from a report on global warming. The VP's office says that the science was "questionable".
much of the global warming science is questionable.

but hey they cant let the face's 600 million dollars invesment, and add campaign go to waste.
post #43 of 44
Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
much of the global warming science is questionable.
Show me an actual scientific critique, published in a peer-reviewed journal, and I'll gladly read it.
post #44 of 44
Global warming is a joke....
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