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Bad news for all the Democratic Politicians that said the war in Iraq could not be won.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4276486.ece


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American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.

After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.

A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.

Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
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With soldiers getting killed from several countries every day, why do I not believe that tale, er, I mean "news" story?
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If this article is true and I don't know anything about the source, why would anyone, even war doubting democrats, be mad. Course I will reserve judgement about the veracity but I don't think anyone will be mad. Relieved that we can bring our service men home.

And let us say we did "win" the war. At what cost? And for what? No weapons of mass destruction were even found. Al-qaeda wasn't even in Iraq before we invaded it. At least not in great numbers, that rumor was never proven. And now we have spent trillions of dollar putting our nation in major debt, ruined Iraq's infrastructure and untold numbers of innocent Iraqi's injured or dead.

Meanwhile in Afghanistan the Taliban is enjoying an resurgence. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070103070.html

Our international relations have been damaged. I intend to watch tonight on PBS Wide Angle, a documentary on the changing Japan military. What caught my eye was interviews with businessmen who politely suggest the decline of the dollar and the rise of Chinese and Indian currencies may create an America that is to weak to come to anyone's aid. We don't have the credit anymore or the financial backing from our citizens. No one wants to pay more taxes.

I could go on but the fact of the matter is I don't think there is such a thing as "winning" the Iraq war. We may be able to leave the country but we didn't win a thing.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
With soldiers getting killed from several countries every day, why do I not believe that tale, er, I mean "news" story?

It never ceases to amaze me that people would rather believe we are losing the war. That is so sad.


The author of the article is an embedded reporter with our troops. Of course she can't know what is really going on there like Obama and Harry Reid who haven't been there in years. LOL
You know those embedded reporters, they are all liars. LOL
post #5 of 109
Great news!
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I hope it's true, and that they kill all 1200 of them.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people would rather believe we are losing the war. That is so sad.


The author of the article is an embedded reporter with our troops. Of course he can't know what is really going on there like Obama and Harry Reid who haven't been there in years. LOL
You know those embedded reporters, they are all liars. LOL
I certainly wouldn't call them liars, but I do know they are not allowed to report some things and DO cover up things because they are TOLD to. The way some prisoners were being treated by soldiers is a good example - until someone with some guts decided to leak the news and photos. I still don't believe everything the news media spins.

Unfortunately I do not believe anyone is winning this war which is even sadder yet.
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Of course they aren't allowed to say certain things, like where they are.
Good grief. Don't you think that certain military strategy needs to be kept secret from the enemy?

And I think it is unfortunate that many people will not admit that huge progress has been made. I wonder what it will take for those people to admit,
"hey, our military is doing good, they are winning over there"
post #9 of 109
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I certainly wouldn't call them liars, but I do know they are not allowed to report some things and DO cover up things because they are TOLD to. The way some prisoners were being treated by soldiers is a good example - until someone with some guts decided to leak the news and photos. I still don't believe everything the news media spins.

Unfortunately I do not believe anyone is winning this war which is even sadder yet.

I could be wrong but I believe it was a serviceman that leaked the prison abuse. I don't think it was a reporter. Just saying.

Well Yosemite, you believe the negative media spin on the war, so why not believe the positive, that we are winning?
post #10 of 109
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I could be wrong but I believe it was a serviceman that leaked the prison abuse. I don't think it was a reporter. Just saying.

Well Yosemite, you believe the negative media spin on the war, so why not believe the positive, that we are winning?
Yes, I too believe it was a serviceman who leaked the abuse information - I just said "someone with guts" not that they were a reporter so don't know why you thought I meant a reporter. Moot point anyway.

Actually I don't believe much - negative or positive. I don't think anything has been accomplished other than people on both sides and innocents getting killed because Bush had folks believing there were weapons of mass destruction and we all know how true that was! Those people will go back to where they were before as soon as all troops are moved out - they will have dictators again and some will live the good life within the corrupt regime and some will barely live at all outside the regime. All that has been accomplished is that the populations have been diminished and the landscape bombed into a different configuration. Oh, and many young men and women have been permanently maimed, disfigured or killed for nothing. I only hope that Canada has the guts to allow US servicemen to come here to avoid having to continue in this useless fight.
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Yes, I too believe it was a serviceman who leaked the abuse information - I just said "someone with guts" not that they were a reporter so don't know why you thought I meant a reporter. Moot point anyway.

Actually I don't believe much - negative or positive. I don't think anything has been accomplished other than people on both sides and innocents getting killed because Bush had folks believing there were weapons of mass destruction and we all know how true that was! Those people will go back to where they were before as soon as all troops are moved out - they will have dictators again and some will live the good life within the corrupt regime and some will barely live at all outside the regime. All that has been accomplished is that the populations have been diminished and the landscape bombed into a different configuration. Oh, and many young men and women have been permanently maimed, disfigured or killed for nothing. I only hope that Canada has the guts to allow US servicemen to come here to avoid having to continue in this useless fight.
I guess I thought you meant a reporter because that is what we were talking about. How silly of me.

I don't understand your reference to Canada, we don't have a draft. All volunteer military here.

Yes, yes, yes, we all know the facts behind the beginning of the war.
BUT, we are there, we can't go back and we need to win, we OWE it to the people of Iraq

Much has been accomplished in Iraq, just many refuse to believe it because it fits their political agenda better if we were to lose the war in Iraq. I find that so sad.
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Personally, I don't know who to expect the truth from. It indeed is sad if people are pressing to "lose" the war just to fill their political agendas. But it is equally sad if people are throwing the young soldiers of numerous countries to the wolves just so they can claim a win to fill their political agendas.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Much has been accomplished in Iraq, just many refuse to believe it because it fits their political agenda better if we were to lose the war in Iraq. I find that so sad.
I don't get why you keep saying this. It is a very cynical and frightning thing to think. Frankly I don't know anyone who would like things to be worse in Iraq or has your mindset. Not even the most liberal Democrat I know. What evidence do you have that this is a political agenda of anyone.
post #14 of 109
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I guess I thought you meant a reporter because that is what we were talking about. How silly of me.

I don't understand your reference to Canada, we don't have a draft. All volunteer military here.

Yes, yes, yes, we all know the facts behind the beginning of the war.
BUT, we are there, we can't go back and we need to win, we OWE it to the people of Iraq

Much has been accomplished in Iraq, just many refuse to believe it because it fits their political agenda better if we were to lose the war in Iraq. I find that so sad.
I can understand you thinking I meant a reporter, but I usually try to be more specific and would have said a reporter leaked it if that is what I meant.

I also didn't mention any "draft" so not sure where you got that either. On the news currently (and all this week in fact) they are reporting on a young man that served in Iraq and instead of being court-martialed for "quitting" the armed forces, he has chosen to seek asylum in Canada just as many did during the Vietnam years. I sincerely hope they allow him to stay and find peace. Apparently the folks in the service are saying he has been discharged but there seems to be some confusion about whether that is really true or just a ruse to get him back to the US.

I don't think the people of Iraq think the US owe them anything - I think they would like all of our troops the hey out of there.

As for "losing the war", it's a no win - lose/lose situation no matter what at this point.
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As for "losing the war", it's a no win - lose/lose situation no matter what at this point.
Because of these kind of attitudes Peachy. Many democratic politicians have already said we have "lost" the war. Harry Reid is a great example.
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Because of these kind of attitudes Peachy. Many democratic politicians have already said we have "lost" the war. Harry Reid is a great example.
Okay. I see what you are saying. And I see your view. I just don't agree with it. I don't think anyone in thier right mind would hope to see worsening conditions in Iraq to further political agenda. I think most of America just wants it to end.

Because frankly I don't think Yosemite has a political agenda in mind. Just a belief there is a no win/lose situation. She can't vote in our election.

I don't think this is a "winnable or losable" war either. Especially from a public relations viewpoint. We went in there to get weapons of mass destruction, that was our objective. We did not succeed in that because there were none. As a matter of fact we destabilized the whole country not having a plan for after the invasion. Add to that we have not completely stabilzed the country after five years. I will congratulate the progress on stabilization. But to say we are winning against the Iraqis. No I will not say that. I am hoping we manage to right the country to some degree of normalacy. I have no political agenda. I was against the war from the beginning and that belief has not changed. I am really glad we are making progress to be able to pull out of Iraq, that is the goal I think everyone has.

And by the way I am very proud of our military and the job they have done.
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Because of these kind of attitudes Peachy. Many democratic politicians have already said we have "lost" the war. Harry Reid is a great example.
Cindy, I think you're oversimplifying, to be honest. You're equating "winning" with military subjugation of the enemy/enemies, but what is gained by exacerbating the "Kurdish question" in/for Turkey, a NATO and Israeli ally, or by inducing Iran to pursue its nuclear program even more aggressively? By not getting Afghanistan under control, because the U.S. has more troops in Iraq than in Afghanistan, on whose soil the 9/11 attack was cultivated?

Have you ever heard the expression, "You can win the war, but lose the peace"? The Allies won WWII, and won the peace afterwards (although the Cold War delayed that for several decades). Desert Storm was won militarily, but today's situation shows that peace still hasn't been achieved in the region.
post #18 of 109
It would appear that the new Iraqi Government has issued an ultimatum; to the US!

Iraq Presses for Deadline for Troop Pullout
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It would appear that the new Iraqi Government has issued an ultimatum; to the US!

Iraq Presses US on Deadline for Troop Pullout
It looks like your browser has sabotaged you - that's a link to an article about Cheney. Here's some of what I've found about the ultimatum:
Iraq official: Need dates for U.S. withdrawal
Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout
Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout
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It looks like your browser has sabotaged you - that's a link to an article about Cheney. Here's some of what I've found about the ultimatum:
Iraq official: Need dates for U.S. withdrawal
Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout
Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout
Thank you, I doubt it was my browser. I'm doing some cleaning and mowing in phases (it's 92 degrees), and probably just forgot to clear my clipboard.
post #21 of 109
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Thank you, I doubt it was my browser. I'm doing some cleaning and mowing in phases (it's 92 degrees), and probably just forgot to clear my clipboard.
That happens to me all the time. TCS was really weird for me yesterday, and it didn't occur to me till this morning that the problem was that I was logged in on two different computers with entirely different ISPs, and had been switching back and forth over the course of the day.

You can keep the 92° heat, BTW. It's currently 55°F here, and is supposed to reach a high of 69° tomorrow, and I love it. It's going to heat up again on Thursday, though.

Now I have to report myself for an post!

So - I really don't give much credence to the "winning" or "losing" tally, because everything depends on the criteria you're taking into considertion.
post #22 of 109
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It would appear that the new Iraqi Government has issued an ultimatum; to the US!

Iraq Presses for Deadline for Troop Pullout

That is a great article, Skippy, thank you for posting it. See, things are greatly improved in Iraq.
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That is a great article, Skippy, thank you for posting it. See, things are greatly improved in Iraq.
Have you seen the article about Iraqi teens "pimping their rides", or customizing their cars. Some of them look really nice. I saw the article yesterday, but got busy before I could post it....now I can't find it.
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Have you seen the article about Iraqi teens "pimping their rides", or customizing their cars. Some of them look really nice. I saw the article yesterday, but got busy before I could post it....now I can't find it.
Here it is.

http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/07/...p-their-rides/
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...e_mission.html

Here is some bad stuff that was removed from Iraq. It was sold to a,
"Canadian Uranium Producer". Imagine that.

I guess that isn't a big deal, though, to some people.
post #26 of 109
All I have to say is "define winning..."
post #27 of 109
This war is not a war to be won anymore. It is a war to be managed. No one wins. What has been accomplished? Stabilizing a region that we destabilized? The Taliban is getting stronger while Bin Laden was never 'smoked out'. Never mind the billions upon billions spent.
I was against it from the get go and what I thought would happen has. A big giant mess.
post #28 of 109
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Well Yosemite, you believe the negative media spin on the war, so why not believe the positive, that we are winning?
Would that not have to apply both ways?

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This war is not a war to be won anymore. It is a war to be managed. No one wins. What has been accomplished? Stabilizing a region that we destabilized? The Taliban is getting stronger while Bin Laden was never 'smoked out'. Never mind the billions upon billions spent.
I was against it from the get go and what I thought would happen has. A big giant mess.
I don't understand the `win/lose' mentality either. It's not a game of football. Nobody wins a war, ever. And the people who want to `win' one or are more concerned about `losing' one than they are over all the terrible effects of war and all of the destabilisation it causes, the innocent lives lost on both sides, and the damage done that can sometimes never be healed, are the ones that make me sad.
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This war is not a war to be won anymore. It is a war to be managed. No one wins. What has been accomplished? Stabilizing a region that we destabilized? The Taliban is getting stronger while Bin Laden was never 'smoked out'. Never mind the billions upon billions spent.
I was against it from the get go and what I thought would happen has. A big giant mess.

Sadaam and his sons are no more. No more rape rooms, no more mass graves. No more Sadaam paying big bucks to the families of suicide bombers murdering hundreds of Israeli's.
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[quote=KitEKats4Eva!;2347426]Would that not have to apply both ways?

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The drastic decline in servicemen being killed is always a good indicator.
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