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Lawmaker/Defense Attorney against Jessica's Law

post #1 of 28
6/25/08 at 10:15am
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I think we all agree that child rape is horrible. This guy is arguing against implementing Jessica's Law, which would impose harsh mandatory sentencing for child rape (under 12).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371344,00.html

What do you think of this guy?
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post #2 of 28
6/25/08 at 10:58am
I think he is a poor excuse for a human being and if I heard he got hit by a bus tomorrow I wouldn't be sad.

Just another reason I am a Republican.

I have nothing else to say except for swear words. What a slime ball.
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post #3 of 28
6/25/08 at 11:41am
AMEN guys. I completely agree w/ ckblv.
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post #4 of 28
6/25/08 at 12:09pm
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AMEN guys. I completely agree w/ ckblv.
Me too!!
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post #5 of 28
6/25/08 at 1:23pm
You don't have to be a republican to think the guy is a slimeball.
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post #6 of 28
6/26/08 at 3:54pm
That is very true Rockcat.

There is another forum that I lurk at mostly and many, MANY posters there actually said they "understood" where this moron was coming from.
I don't think they let defense attorney's go ape s*** on little kids in a trial, do they? Sometimes, don't they even let them testify via video link?
Or have I been watching to much TV?

I don't want to believe that some defense attorney would have the sanction of the court to rake some little 5-year old rape victim over the coals during cross examination. They can't do that, can they?

Most states have Jessica's Law in place right now and I haven't heard of this problem arising.
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post #7 of 28
6/26/08 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't want to believe that some defense attorney would have the sanction of the court to rake some little 5-year old rape victim over the coals during cross examination. They can't do that, can they?
I believe they can, and that was the point this particular defense attorney was attempting to make.
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post #8 of 28
6/26/08 at 5:44pm
I think that this is a poor excuse for a human being. I wonder what he would do if it was his own little girl or little boy that was raped repeatedly by a monster. Would he think the same way and want a defense attorney to destroy any self worth his child had remaining.

I think child molesters should castrated and lobotomized. Put in general population and let the other inmates know what they did to get there.

I hate, hate, hate pedophiles and child molesters.
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post #9 of 28
6/27/08 at 6:59am
I remember when the police were searching for Jessica and then when she was found and hearing of all the horrid details of what that monster john couey had done to her. That poor sweet girl...

I can't imagine how a defense attorney would take such a case, but they do. I guess if someone is willing to defend someone like couey, we have to expect them to go as low as they can. Just because it's his job doesn't make it right. It escapes me how a human can do that.
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post #10 of 28
6/27/08 at 7:21am
I was furious they did not prosecute Couey's sister and her BF that were accessories as far as I am concerned.
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post #11 of 28
6/27/08 at 7:35am
He's offered an explanation to his hometown newspaper in his home district. But I can't tell if he's being honest, or just "back peddling" 'cause he knows he really stepped in it this time.

He's "troubled" because people thinks when he says "I", that he's talking about himself

The Taunton Gazette
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post #12 of 28
6/27/08 at 7:53am
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I was furious they did not prosecute Couey's sister and her BF that were accessories as far as I am concerned.
You are SO right!
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post #13 of 28
6/27/08 at 8:37am
All I have to say is that watching this "man" speak made me want to vomit.
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post #14 of 28
6/27/08 at 9:34am
If any lawyer did what this guy is saying to my child on a witness stand I would beat him with a baseball bat.
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post #15 of 28
6/27/08 at 3:49pm
That kind of badgering of a child would kill your case. Judges and especially juries won't like you after that. Might as well write "GUILTY" across your clients forehead.
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post #16 of 28
6/27/08 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
He's offered an explanation to his hometown newspaper in his home district. But I can't tell if he's being honest, or just "back peddling" 'cause he knows he really stepped in it this time.

He's "troubled" because people thinks when he says "I", that he's talking about himself

The Taunton Gazette
Hmmmh. So many legal experts now object to the mandatory minimum sentences imposed on drug offenders since the 1980s that I have to wonder how much experience this guy has had with them. I have to give him the "benefit of the doubt", actually, in this matter, meaning I think he has a point, although he didn't express it in a p.c. manner.

The more drastic the possible sentence, the more aggressive the public defender/defense attorney, and therefore the more traumatic for the juvenile victim. It puts defense attorneys in a very difficult position. Either they'll be reviled for traumatizing the victim, or face review by an appeals court for not "adequately" defending a client by refusing to put the child under duress on the stand.

It's way past my bedtime, so the above opinion is probably as clear as that guy's - clear as mud! I apologize.
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post #17 of 28
6/27/08 at 8:40pm
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All I have to say is that watching this "man" speak made me want to vomit.
I couldn't listen to it all. He sounded SO hateful. It was horrible.

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If any lawyer did what this guy is saying to my child on a witness stand I would beat him with a baseball bat.
And people wonder why victims don't report horrific crimes like this.

I don't get it. I thought a lawyers first responsibility was to find out the truth, isn't that the way it is supposed to be? And if their client is guilty they should be counseled to plead guilty.
When did it change to defense attorney's not having an ounce of humanity and going to whatever means they have to, to to get their client off, providing, said client has the big $$$$.
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post #18 of 28
6/27/08 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
That kind of badgering of a child would kill your case. Judges and especially juries won't like you after that. Might as well write "GUILTY" across your clients forehead.
Great point.
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post #19 of 28
6/27/08 at 8:52pm
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Hmmmh. So many legal experts now object to the mandatory minimum sentences imposed on drug offenders since the 1980s that I have to wonder how much experience this guy has had with them. I have to give him the "benefit of the doubt", actually, in this matter, meaning I think he has a point, although he didn't express it in a p.c. manner.

The more drastic the possible sentence, the more aggressive the public defender/defense attorney, and therefore the more traumatic for the juvenile victim. It puts defense attorneys in a very difficult position. Either they'll be reviled for traumatizing the victim, or face review by an appeals court for not "adequately" defending a client by refusing to put the child under duress on the stand.

It's way past my bedtime, so the above opinion is probably as clear as that guy's - clear as mud! I apologize.
I think we have to take the chance because I surely believe in harsher sentenced for pedophiles.
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post #20 of 28
6/27/08 at 9:52pm
I might be uneducated on the subject but are little kids even allowed to take the witness stand? What's the protocol on that?
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post #21 of 28
6/28/08 at 5:06am
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I might be uneducated on the subject but are little kids even allowed to take the witness stand? What's the protocol on that?
I think that was the point that stupid guy was trying to make that children can't handle it.
But here is my problem with that. So pedophiles get an easier sentence because some slimey defense attorney would use the innocence of children against them if they tried to tell their story? I think his argument is most likely the way defense attorneys think which is disgusting. Any person that victimizes a child like that is guilty of murder in my book. You killed a child's soul and their childhood. If it were my child I would hold her hand and prepare her but I would not be intimidated by some hack in an an expensive suit.
I feel it is like threatening a rape victim. I am so disgusted by this guy. I hope he gets booted out of office soon. Moron. Some people make me sick and he is one of him.
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post #22 of 28
6/28/08 at 7:18am
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I think that was the point that stupid guy was trying to make that children can't handle it.
I get the "point" he was trying to make. I am justing wondering if it's moot.
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post #23 of 28
6/29/08 at 1:02am
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I get the "point" he was trying to make. I am justing wondering if it's moot.
I don't think it is moot. Children are allowed to testify. Even very young ones.
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post #24 of 28
7/2/08 at 1:06pm
It seems to me that the point he was trying to make is that if the bill passes he will make the victims pay.

' "I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of young victims during his testimony on the bill. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they’re 8 years old, they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody." '

What kind of monster could want these things to happen to innocent victims of violent crimes?!? The criminal should be punished, not the victim.
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post #25 of 28
7/2/08 at 3:01pm
I hope whoever runs against this horrible man uses that tape as their campaign ad, they will win for sure.
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post #26 of 28
7/3/08 at 10:05am
Since my first reaction (which was just to puke on this guy's shoes) I've started thinking about the actual implications of what he has said.

Young children are extremely susceptible to suggestion, and also very eager to please adults or older children. There has been a ton of research done on what leads to false reports of abuse, and it almost always involves either some sort of coercion or suggestion, even accidentally. That is, if children sense the answer that an adult wants, they will give it, even if it's false. Even worse, the memory doesn't work the way ours does, and children will sometimes remember this new misinformation as fact.

Which means that if a lawyer bullied a child into "taking it back" they may very well start to remember things the way the lawyer says them, irrevocably damaging the case and making it impossible to get a conviction. The jury will see the child as unreliable, further damaging the case.

So his idea is extremely dangerous.
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post #27 of 28
7/4/08 at 4:52pm
Has anyone done any research to see if any of the horrible things, this wretched man says he will do, have happened in the 40+ states that have passed Jessica's Law?

I saw that awful video of the "flying baby" yesterday and it was so upsetting I wanted to hit someone. I just can't STAND this stuff.
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post #28 of 28
7/4/08 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Has anyone done any research to see if any of the horrible things, this wretched man says he will do, have happened in the 40+ states that have passed Jessica's Law?

I saw that awful video of the "flying baby" yesterday and it was so upsetting I wanted to hit someone. I just can't STAND this stuff.
That might be hard to do, actually. At least here, any court proceeding dealing with or involving children in any way or form is sealed from the public, to include the news media. Might be different in other states.
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