Frodo is Out!

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CC and Katie: Thank U for Vibes!!


Yes, I love em. Its hard not to, when gentle Frodo comes
and rubs my ankles cause he's saying thanks, or lets met
pet him outside till he just can't help himself and starts purrring!

Or I watch him trying to head bump and love on Frogita - and
1/2 the time she rolls her eyes "whatever" - the other 1/2 she
bops him a gentle "stay away you lug".


Even tho he is still a scaredy cat about some things, he
really has "potential"


And Grey Intruder is a nice kitty - I will keep him indoors till
he heals and then watch him carefully with my guys. I wished
I could let him be indoor only, but already with fostering the Bengal (who
was CHIPPED can you believe???) and the Baby (my Maine Coon
munchkin!) I am fully up.

Since he was helping himself to the house via pet door, sleeping on my sofa,
(I caught him once!) coming in during the afternoon for naps,
and so forth, it should be easy to get him to be indoor/out.

Plus I have outdoor shelters on order - nice all wooden structures on
"platforms" that I plan to put up on a long piece of plywood,
supported by 2 saw horses. That way, they are up off the ground
and other animals can't get to them, AND they feel secure and
are dry and warm during the worst wet/cold weather.

I figure that Goosie OR Grey Intruder will use. If Goose and Intruder
don't go back to the horse barns of course (which is where I think he
came from in the first place...).

What I DO NOT want to happen is have him drive my Goosie away.

I hope that the neutering will help with that problem!! Maybe he
will be more relaxed and not trigger Goosie's fear / anxiety so much.
Goose I fear doesn't like to share his home, he has a hard time
with poor Frodo who is the gentlest lowest on totem cat in the house!!

Let's cross our fingers and PRAY like mad that the neuter helps. And of course, there IS the possibility this kitty may not have it after all.
You never know with it. Its tricky.
 
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Frodo was chased by the Grey Intruder in the house! Know i know why I found poo on the hardwood downstairs - some one had been scared to go to the box OR they had poo'd as a form of marking territory.


I had in advertently let the Grey Intruder out (BF scared him and he
flew thru petdoor I had not secured yet). This was 3 days after
his surgery and rabies. He seemed fine.

He disappeared for a day or so - I believe he was out checking his
haunts and peeing and marking, LOL.

He probably has a territory to cover. Grey Goose was relieved while
he was inside - Goose started to come home more, come inside
and generally behave like before.

Now that Intruder is out tho
He is back to chasing my cats!
I didn't see a fight in the house, but Grey Intruder had backed Frodo
into a corner and Frodo gentle boy was defending himself!!

It could easily have lead to biting.
Which we do NOT want.

So, last night I confined Grey Intruder to the basement when he showed up at the house and persisted in coming inside via pet door. Intruder must be a stray or dump off, as he is completely handleable, not shy and / or scared of either me or the BF. He adpats fantastically fast - sleeping on the bed in the basement rather than as previously, hiding in the closet there.

As a result my guys had the run of the night so to speak, and were
waiting for me in the am to come and feed. I fed the Grey Intruder
and released him outdoors later, after my guys ate.


So all were able to relax eat and rest, and they the Grey Intruder could
go off and wander to visit his territory and/or find a sleeping spot outdoors.

It seems to cut down on the agression, on Goose's fear of coming home etc.

I hope to work something out by winter, as it will be awkward to have Grey Intruder in during the loong dark winter nights, and I DEFINITELY don't want Goosie to feel he has to be outside when it is cold and dark.

Goosie is getting better with Frodo - they mostly don't interact, and
if he gets too close, Goose will hiss at him, but otherwise they do
ignore eachother.


I will have to start looking (vibes please everyone!) for a home for the Intruder away from mine. I was thinking of putting him at BFs farm in the
barn, but I do not know if BF will go for that. It would be a good placement - lots of shelter hunting room etc and food and care when needed. He would have to put up with the dogs, but I think he might be savvy enough to do that... and he would not be putting too many cats at risk. The neighbor has her own herd, they come over to hunt the barn, and Grey Intruder might chase them off, but at least he would have SPACE to roam (5 acres) plus
the shelter of the barn....

Or I could look for a sanctuary, but I really feel nervous about that.
Maybe craigslist could find him a home. I don't really know... I'm
going to ask my vet about it anyway... see what they say.

Vibes please!!
 

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Not sure about a barn environment for an FIV cat. FIV is feline AIDS, and humans with AIDS need to be careful about their health and not "live rough" - they are more susceptible to virus & colds. So living outdoors is probably a short-term death sentence.
I fostered an FIV-positive litter, and made sure they each went to indoor homes, and they are all thriving. What I read said that FIV cats can lead lives as long as FIV-negative, if they are carefully cared for.
Any chance you could advertise in your area for someone with an FIV-positive indoor cat that would like a companion? That was my vet's intial advice.
 
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Well, the issue Trixshar is that this cat is AGGRESSIVE and wants to be dominant. too bad they let him not be fixed (whom ever cared for).
Clearly was a house kitty at some point as of ALL my cats (who are former ferals bar ONE) this one is easy to handle doesn't scare, comes in pet door,
uses boxe etc...

He did pee on the bed after surgery, but hasn't sprayed. also did his
poop on the bathroom tile floor once - even tho I had him downstairs
with boxes to use. So he is VERY much want to dominate and be only
cat.

I am contacting rescues that may assist - for now I keep him in my
basement as much as I can. I am afraid when I go on vacation he's going to have to be locked up down there and will HATE it and poop out of box in prostest, but I am hoping not. I think MY guys outside will LOVE the
fact he is gone for a week! He chases my poor Grey Goose, he chases my Frogita (who whaps him on the nose, LOL) and he is agressive with my gentle Frodo boy. My Baby girl is terrified of him...

If any on the boards read this, and have suggestions, love to hear it.
He just won't do well in my house, but I think he could be a very
affectionate and loyal cat elsewhere - a one person, one house cat.
Maybe with an enclosure, and possible he could get along with a female
kitty who could stand up to him. He seems more aggressive with males
rather than females....

And I really don't want to have to put him to sleep. The vet said he might have other issues - he had bad breath but no stomatitis they could find, and they said it could be a lung cancer or stomach issue. I haven't got monies to treat him, so eventually he could die of another disease.

I just want him to not bother the other cats as much, to have
the best quality of life he can for as long as possible. He
seems fine right now...
 

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If he has other health issues then I think you may have to think of putting him to sleep. The fact that he is aggressive and sick with FIV and possibly many other things leads me to believe that he may not feel all that well. He is also a danger to other cats since he is aggressive. He could easily spread the disease to others while outdoors.
The best solution would be if he could be in a home with someone with the money to treat him long term.
Your cats clearly don't want him around and their needs should come first. the fact that he intimidates and wants to fight is not in his favor.
I am not saying he has to be pts but it seems like it is leaning in that direction.
 
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CC, hard as it is, I know you may be right.

The vets were stumped on his
breath smell. She couldn't say - she *thought* it might not be normal, but...
then again... since I'd spent the monies on a spay/neuter (365 thank you!!)
I figured I'd let him live and keep him inside and try for a sanctuary or rescue
that might place him.

He is quite affectionate and loving, rubs ankles, plays with toys... likes pets and can be lugged around. This tells me he once was owned as a pet. Probably the folks moved or dumped him, due to his smelly pee (unaltered tom pee stinks!).

In anycase, he seems less aggressive now. He gets to stay in the basement and sleep during the twilight/night hours and be out in the daytime hours
when most cats sleep or don't really roam much.

He doesn't chase the cats as much now, and when I do put him out, he
comes right back inside to the deck. He gets on with Frogita (no chasing)
Baby is afraid of him and hides, and he generally doesn't bother Frodo
tho Frodo runs from him. I don't know why he is so defensive.


He may feel unwell, its true. If so, the staying inside with brief forays out,
is not a bad thing. The sleep and rest and good steady food must
be a real blessing to him.

When I leave for a week, he is going to have to stay inside the whole time.
He won't be pleased, but its the only thing to do. My others will be in/out
and I *won't* have them scared to come inside due to this boy.

He has probably been patroling the hood for some time, since
wandering here. Goose has been skittish since March - about
coming in and hanging out, and I think that's the time this
boy showed up.

Anyway, if he gets sicker he will be PTS, as I will not a) have monies
or b) want him to suffer much! It is hard, since you can never tell
when that moment is, and he seems on the face of it, quite healthy
and relaxed.
 

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I know it is hard for you as it would be for me. I have an outdoor boy who alludes my traps but needs to be neutered right away. In the back of my mind I am afraid that he is sick. I hope not but I am so scared that I will have to make a decision to put him to sleep.
My heart goes out to you.
I wonder if his breath is just his illness causing weird infections in his system? Poor thing.
 
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Thanks CC. If it was breath issues, it is either stomach or lungs -
I had a 8/9 year old die of rapidly invasive lung cancer - the kind
the vet had never seen before, and he said the cat had had
for about 6/8 months.

Gator was a bit short of breath, and
wheezed and wasn't active - that was always true, but we
didn't know how bad it got till we observed him sitting, panting.

Finally we PTS and had autopsy done. I think maybe its something
like that.

In any case, otherwise he seems good. He is putting on weight,
his coat is nice n shiny, poop looks good/okay, drinks
and eats well, and we've worked out a system for him -
my cats in at night pet door locked, him outside OR
him outside daytime, with my kitties free to be
out, then in the afternoon/evening he comes in and my
cats are free to roam. (I put him in the basement to isolate,
so my other house only cat can roam while he is in the house.)

Don't know how I'll manage winter, maybe he will just not go out as
much and sleep more, I hope!!

Seems to be working....fingers crossed. Still looking for someone to
take him and love him ... he's playful and once the fur patches grow
back in, good looking grey kitty. I've even had him purr a bit!
 

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Yay for little purrs.
I reread my message and I meant to say elude not allude.
My fingers go faster than my mind.


You may be able to find a sanctuary for him. I wonder if he is so grouchy because he feels lousy. I remember when my Olivier was sick he became a little aggressive with Mary. Cats hate feeling vulnerable.
It would be so nice if a sweet older lady came and took him to spoil him.

Great job and such a sweet way you have of referring to your kitties.
 
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Frodo's brother is a full seal point, and he is according
to feeder lady a mellow boy. I don't know if he can be
petted like Frodo, but he is living in rough circumstances.

The lady that feeds wants to find him home, send him
to me I guess, LOL as I have Frodo.


Well, that would be fine by me, but I've got Grey Intruder
the FIV positive boy in my basement, and I am not sure
what to do about that!!

He is aggressive and chases
other cats, esp. my Grey Goose. Last night I let him out,
kept my boys in, and they were NOT happy. Grey Intruder
spent his time on my chair on the deck (with cushion)
and in the feral shelter in the yard (straw). Sigh.

I guess he got enough run time, so I scooped up this am
put him in and let mine out. He had no trouble as long
as he got chow, LOL. He is putting on some wieght, all
the good feedings, the sleep and relaxing help him I guess.

No way to run a house though! When I leave on vacation he
Grey Intruder - will be in the basement for 7/10 days. I
hate that but, to be honest I see no way out. I can't let
him roam for 7 days - he would be in the ouse and terorizing
my kitties via pet door right away!!

I am still struggling to find a shelter that would take him -
with his looks not being exceedingly good, he would find
finding home tough. Even though he is playful, housebroke
and other wise okay as a house cat. Its just he doesn't like
other kitties I guess.
Needs to go to a shelter where
if he bites another cat they already have the FIV so there
s no danger of passing the disease. And where they will
humanely PTS him if he has an incurable disease. Just a place
for him to live out his life and be happy would be good.

Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?? I try to always
help others, so any help in return would be GREATLY appreciated!

If I get Grey Intruder a place, I could commit to taking in Frodo's
brother - naming him Samwise and pairing them up as a pair for
Siamese Rescue to place once tamed. Samwise is a full seal point -
chocolate brown with blue eyes and cream coat. V. good looking.He
also goes in and out of house. He is a bit bolder than Frodo, but
very mellow too I understand...and FIV negative


Would love to make this into a wonderful rescue story where both
boys find a home, with a person who falls in love with their lovely
mellow personalities and gentle demanor. Both would be good
with other cats too. Frodo has NEVER been aggressive ever with my
boys, not even a hiss!! And he gets groomed by Baby cat, LOL.


Anyway, just goes to show - this cat was thought to be a feral,
but he is anything but a fierce feral. More just a shy gentle boy,
desiring to be petted and loved, but shy to get it.
Would it
not be wonderful to have Frodo and Samwise placed together??

I'm nuts I jknow. I have an 18 year old dying of kidney disease, I have
a Baby Mouse cat that is not placeable with others (too shy), I have 2 feral kitties Goose and Frogita from my colony (only Goose could be rehomed I think), and Grey Intruder and Frodo -

The 18 year old will be gone soon. I will then only have 2 ferals, Frodo and Baby. And if I can place Frodo, just 3 cats left for me to care for!


I keep praying. Everyone pray for me, that I find a shelter/rescue for Grey intruder and that Siamese Rescue takes Frodo in one day. He has come SO far my Frodo boy, and has much further to go - and HE WILL GET THERE - Iknow this - given how he loves pets...
 

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I have noticed that you do try to help others. I know you love those babies of yours.
If you lived closer I would have all sorts of resources for you.
Grey Intruder is a hard case. His FIV status makes his options rather slim. If only there were a sanctuary for FIV cats then he could be ok. But then he doesn't get along with other cats.
Can you keep him in an outdoor enclosure?
 
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Thank you CC! I do try to help others with my own experience and
knowledge - so often we feel alone when we do rescue, that its
good to encourage others - and provide a helping hand.

I would hate to make it HARDER on folks than it already is.
And having had help myself - I want to pass it on.

No good deed goes unpunished. Grey Intruder is a hard
case, as he is NOT a bad cat, but super aggressive to other
cats. Perhaps he had to scrap to live, and so its become habit.

I don't know. He is very possessive of me, LOL. Mike and I
discussed putting him on Mike's enclosed screened in
porch, which the doggies go through each morning for their "pee" break...

I suggested baby gates to keep doggies on track to
the pee gate/door, LOL, and
then when doggies come back inside, (Mike brings
em in) kitty can climb off his perch (we would get a tall one)
and roam free after doggies were inside.

Eventually kitty and doggies would be fine together - and
we could allow him to have free roam of porch.

And yes, had monies and time, I'd build me a wonderful outdoor
enclosure on Mike's land - I'm asking him about it right now, LOL!!

I just would love to help all the deserving cats out there -
Frodo's brother sounds so nice, and deserving - and I know
that Vicki works hard to care for her own brood o kitties -
that she's rescued
So taking Frodo's Brother (I would call
him Samwise, LOL) and putting them back together would
be a relief to her.
But I'm full up at the zoo right now!!

Gotta go now.
But I'll take that under advisement - we may
use a commercial kennel fencing system, and be able to put something
together quickly for him...by winter's start.
 
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Happy Days!!! Frodo MEOWED at me to come inside from being out!! And when I called him (he was out all night and won't use pet door) he CAME to ME!!! And he purred when he came inside!!!

Then he reversed, and looked straight at me and meowed to go OUT.


Yes, yes, yes. I"ve not heard his meow but a handful of times, and NEVER
when he was directly staring at me!!! He must be more comfy with me,
and knows I'll let him in /out etc!!!

Frajabulous joys
Now if I could only get him to accept my hand coming to his head. But we ARE making progress!! BF touched him too. (He wanted to run, but he didn't dart away immediately so...)

We will continue the good work. Prayers and vibes that Frodo boy will
make the transition to head scratches, AND to looving attention (he does
already, but we will work even mroe on it. Such a true Snoeshoe personality!!! Mellow, laid back and affectionate.)
 

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I am so glad you are coming with some good options for G.I. He sounds like a good boy who just got an unlucky break in life. But he has you and he loves you so his luck has changed.
Samwise and Frodo. SO cute. I too wish I could save every kitty in the world but my house is all full up with my 4 from outside. I have 6 cats and can't add anymore. At 8 you become officially a hoarder. Now if I had an enclosure then that is a whole other deal. Hmmm.

Keep posting. I love reading about the boys.
 
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