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Wellness canned is POOR nutrition?????

post #1 of 25
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So I went downtown to a specialty pet food and supply store today. They sell mostly the high quality foods although they do sell things like Iams, Science Diet, & Purina. I went there because they sell the wellness canned by the case and they have the big 12.5 ounce cans which is helpful for feeding 3 boys a day.

When I plopped 2 cases of canned grain free Wellness up onto the checkout counter, the guy asked me if I was feeding all wet. When I said yes he proceeded to tell me that the food was 78% water (DUH) and that there weren't enough nutrients in the food to feed it as a cat's sole diet. He said I should supplement with some dry food which has all of the vitamins and nutrients in it that a cat needs in his diet. This was all news to me, as I have read over and over that a wet diet is best for cats and that Wellness is excellent quality nutritious food. One good thing he said that made sense was that Ennova was good.

Amadeus is on a new diet (please feel free to visit Amadeus' Diet as inspired by Molly the cat) and I read so many places that Wellness was a great food. So what the heck is this guy talking about?? Sharky, I know you're particularly knowledgeable on foods... any advice?
post #2 of 25
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Also, he recommended a dry food called Blackwood.
post #3 of 25
Wellness is a good food and more importantly a complete food. Sorry, but the pet store guy doesn't know what he is talking about. There are some cans of Prairie Natures Variety and a few other food which will say on them, not a complete and balanced diet.

It sounds to me like the store has instructed to push dry foods and maybe even a particular brand. Stick with your own research. I would be willing to bet this guy didn't do any research, he is just telling you what the dry food reps told him.
post #4 of 25
It really annoys me when people talk about the high water content of wet food as a bad thing Yes it has a lot of water - that's good Water is a constituent of meat and a very necessary nutrient for cats. Dry food only has a lower water content because it is dehydrated. The guy in the food store is wrong. If a food is labelled as complete (and not all are). it will provide all the vitamins and minerals a cat needs.

Unbelievably, I recently came across similar advice on the website of a cat rescue over here. They advised that cats were not fed wet food because it didn't contain enough protein for a cat! They were not calculating the protein on a dry matter basis and were claiming that a cat had to eat dry food in order to get enough protein. I sent them an email to put them right (didn't go down too well) but hopefully they will take the information on board and stop advising people who adopt from them to feed dry for that reason.
post #5 of 25
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Thanks BOTH of you!!! It is really good to hear this. What you both have said is exactly what I have learned and exactly what I thought was right. He did act like too much water was a bad thing, when I knew that cats need to eat water WITH their food. I will probably continue to go there because their food is more affordable than some other places around here, but I won't fall prey to their lack of knowledge.

Thanks so much for reassuring me.
post #6 of 25
The blackwood is CORN and then corn gluten meal .. so it has ingrediants 2 and 3 corn or corn related ... umm most of us would pass on that ... I okay one but not both in a food.. plus it has wheat ...

a mouse or bird has a moisture level of 60 ish % thus wet food is in fact closer to a NATURAL wild diet...

I second the as long as it is complete ( wellness outside of their new 95% meats is ) then you are fine
post #7 of 25
I think he was confused. Perhaps if you fed the same volume of canned as dry the cat wouldn't get enough vitamins, but since canned is less dense, we feed more of it to get the same amount of nutrition.
post #8 of 25
It sounds to me like he is just regurgitating what the sales rep told him to say.

I had a NUTRITIONIST from one of the bigger "good" food companies (ok they are "considered" good but I won't use that brand, ever) tell me that the shape of the kibble was more important than the ingredients in the food. Uh, ok. How about if you put together a good recipe of good ingredients that cats like, and then make it in the shape that most cats will eat? Wow that's just too simple, huh? I was working soI couldn't say what I really wanted to, but I politely disagreed and then excused myself to help a customer.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I second the as long as it is complete ( wellness outside of their new 95% meats is ) then you are fine

The Wellness 95% meats are labeled dog food, no? I wasn't aware that they made 95% meat cans for cats.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by whiteforest View Post
The Wellness 95% meats are labeled dog food, no? I wasn't aware that they made 95% meat cans for cats.
they are labeled dog but 95% meat would IMHO be okay for a cat on occasion but then again I am a bit weird... Innova Evo has 95% meats that are dog and cat thou the dog is far cheaper
post #11 of 25
What a nut. But I suppose he would think the same of us, lol. I looked at the ingrediants too, EEEEK! The ONLY plus about that food is that there are no byproducts.

INGREDIENTS LIST:

Chicken Meal, Ground Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Fat [Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols (Source of Vitamin E)and Citric Acid], Wheat Flour, Dried PlainBeet Pulp (Sugar Removed), Menhaden Fish Meal, Natural Flavors, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, Ascorbic Acid (Source of Vitamin C), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vegetable Oil, Boitin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Citric Acid, Menadione Dimethylypyrimidinol Bisulfate (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Vitamin D3, Folic Acid, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate.
post #12 of 25
i've seen Sharky say that menhaden is the only fish NOT approved for human consumption, too.
post #13 of 25
Wellness is a great quality food, but according to a friend of mine ( and also a local pet store owner ) - It's not going to be as good anymore since they're mass-distributing their product to Petco. Anyway, that guy seriously does not know what he's talking about.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Wellness is a great quality food, but according to a friend of mine ( and also a local pet store owner ) - It's not going to be as good anymore since they're mass-distributing their product to Petco.
Assuming the part about distribution is true (first time I've heard anything about it), what does that have to do with the quality of the food?
post #15 of 25
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Assuming the part about distribution is true (first time I've heard anything about it), what does that have to do with the quality of the food?
I had a small issue with one bag of wellness/// Ie right after Wellness sent out letters saying it was going into petco... veggie matter was sticking out of the kibble and the size was NOT uniform... I switched to another food and for allergy issues moved back to wellness current bag NO ISSUES it seems I likely got a amped up manufactur bag
post #16 of 25
I'm happy that they are selling Wellness at PetCo now, makes it easier for me to find.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by RobertM View Post
Assuming the part about distribution is true (first time I've heard anything about it), what does that have to do with the quality of the food?
I'm not sure. Let me ask him later this week regarding your question.
post #18 of 25
I have heard feed store people say similar things about Wellness not being as good anymore, but I am also not sure why. I have heard that Wellness sold the company, though I have no idea if that is true or not.
post #19 of 25
The company was not sold, they are just allowing Petco to sell their food now. The likely increase in production does not necessarily mean lower quality, IMO. I recently switched my kitty to Wellness dry (from Iams/Euk), he's doing really well, so for us it's an improvement regardless.
post #20 of 25
The increase in production for some foods that went to big box from small stores = lesser quality ingrediants used and more ??able things like non uniform kibble , watery or very solid wets.. IT may or may NOT happen .. this is just observation from some of us who have seen a food fo this... I will say the petco pricing is $$ higher than my local store
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I will say the petco pricing is $$ higher than my local store
I'll have to keep getting the cans at the mom & pop store then. My cats decided they like the grain free chicken flavor in their rotation.
post #22 of 25
I emailed him, and he replied with this:

" I expect they will follow the same pattern that Natural Balance did. When companies start selling to very large retailers, the volume they need to produce increases significantly, putting more pressure on quality control, especially when they do not manufacture their own food. In addition, large retailers in all industries (Home Depot, Wallmart, Petco, etc) put pressure on suppliers to reduce costs. Since the companies are now dependent on high volumes, they often reduce cost by reducing quality. Natural Balance reduced their quality by reducing the amount of meat in the kibble. For instance, what used to be "Duck & Potato" turned into "Potato & Duck". Since dogs are carnivores, decreasing the amount of meat in their food is a significant reduction in the quality of food. Natural Balance also got caught last year putting rice protein concentrate in their food, WITHOUT LISTING IT ON THEIR LABEL. They were caught because the rice protein became contaminated and they had to recall their venison kibble and all their canned food in April 2007. Since we had already discontinued the other poor quality foods, when I bought the store, Natural Balance was the only brand in this store that was recalled. We lost confidence with Natural Balance and their lack of quality & information, so we discontinued them right away.

Since there are plenty of excellent foods available, there is no need to stock a brand we have little or no confidence in, so we dropped Wellness. "
post #23 of 25
My elderly mom has a megacolon cat, and after much trial and error with various foods, he's done well on the grain-free, canned Wellness.

Their parent company (Old Mother Hubbard) is located about 45 minutes from me, and I have to say that up to now, they have been very responsive to consumer concerns. Mom orders large cans from a local pet supply outlet to help keep the cost down, and once we came upon a batch that was much soupier than usual. Wellness sent replacements to our pet store within 24 hours. They also send my mom coupons every month, which helps defray the expense.

I know that other companies have tried to expand too fast and sacrificed quality in the process. I'd really hate to think that we're going to have to go all the way back to square one to find a food that will help keep Jesse from blocking.
post #24 of 25
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I got the Wellness thing straightened out. A different guy checked me out at the same store this time and I told him that the last guy told me the cat canned Wellness was not complete nutrition. He assured me that it was and mentioned that some of the dog foods are only 95% meats and are just toppers.

Hooray!
post #25 of 25
I'm glad you got it straightened out about dry verses wet. The ingrediants listed on the food he suggested are not good at all. We have a couple of holistic pet food stores here that I deal with and there are a lot of changes going on in the pet food industry. I have cats with issues so the owner keeps me informed of changes so I don't get in trouble. Selling to big stores usually means lower quality because they sell cheaper. Some of the changes I have learned about are: Felidae/Canidae: Lamb is hard to get, changing formulas and the company they use for processing (Diamond?) At least they are announcing it on website. California Natural: Changed the formula by order of proteins on label and added white rice, no announcement. Texture, smell different enough that mine won't touch it. (Ocean Fish) Nature's Variety Instinct: Having trouble with dry crumbling in bag (trying to change it). Change is hard on a lot of our cats and what gets me is when they change and don't let people know so they can prepare. It usually takes me weeks to make a change with my two. Good job not letting the guy buffalo you.
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