Originally Posted by coaster
Thanks, jcat for doing that research. Now I get to do my research.
But I was just thinking.......since it's agreed that the expression of one's sexual orientation is a behavior, it's really irrelevant how that behavior originates, whether it's innate or aquired. Because a person has control over their behavior. If a certain behavior is unacceptable, then a person can choose not to do that behavior. I might be so angry at someone that I want to hit them over the head with a baseball bat. But I don't do it, because I know it's not an acceptable behavior. The anger is an innate and natural emotion, just as is the physical attraction toward another person, whether opposite gender or same. However, that emotion doesn't NEED to be expressed by acting it out. A person can choose to do it or choose not to do it. Saying that homosexual behavior is a normal and acceptable behavior because a person is born with an predisposition toward that behavior is like saying it's OK for me to hit the other guy over the head with the baseball bat because it's an natural expression of my emotions.
Sorry all, didn't mean to skip out on you. My internet went down...grrrrrr.
JCAT thanks for the links, I will research them.
This is actually a very good post because it brings to light the extreme complexity of behavior. Some behaviors we have the ability to choose to control others we don't.
I am going to use the example of Clinical Depression. Up until the last 20-25 years people were told to "just buck up and be happy". This is an impossibility for people who are clinically depressed. They have a chemical miscommunication in the brain the prevents the ability to actually be happy, even in happy circumstances.
There are studies being done on violent criminals ( again voluntary because you cannot medically experiment on anyone without their permission....think Tuskegee here). There are also pedophiles who know what they do is wrong but still act upon that who also volunteer to have their brains studies. These studies are showing certain abnormalities compared to "normal" people in specific areas of the brain.
Another example is certain forms of dementia such as Alzheimer's. Some people with dementias become extremely vulgar and violent. Mild little old ladies who have never so much as said damn in their lifetimes will start swearing in the most extreme of manners. This is a behavior when well they never would have chosen. However chemical and cell changes in the brain cause them to behave in such a manner.
One more is ADD, spec and pet scans are showing imbalances in the part of the brain thought to be responsible for impulse control. Again, new research and just beginning but very very interesting.
Ok, I think I have demonstrated how behaviors can be beyond our control. Now to address what I think you were really getting at Coaster.
So we have a homosexual and we determine that being homosexual is an innate trait and not a learned one. Why does that homosexual actually have to have sex? Why do they not just be celibate?
This is why I said in my original post, I cannot imagine being told to life my live by denying who I am as a being.
In the case of homosexuality, they are not infringing on the rights of others and they are not hurting others. Their behaviors are not the same as a rapist or a pedophile who do hurt others and take away the rights of others.
One more interesting note, forced copulation ( the animal equivalent of rape) and homosexual activities have been observed in a good number of animal species. Lots of different theories about it, but all agree these are not learned behaviors but ones driven by some innate force. One results in the propagation of genes and the other does not. Lots of food for thought