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post #91 of 111
6/26/08 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I know they're recording-breaking in terms of sheer dollar amounts, but in terms of how profit is measured -- net margin -- oil companies are really no great shakes. Exxon's net profit margin is -- holy cow, I just looked it up -- it's only about 10% and a couple years ago it was 15%. I thought that might happen since gas hasn't been going up as fast as crude oil. It's coming out of their profit margin. But what I was getting to is that, for comparison's sake, Microsoft's profit margin is 28% (and that's down from thirty-something a year or two ago.) Kellogg's has a profit margin about the same as Exxon's and yet I hear nobody screaming for a windfall profits tax on corn flakes. They just need a scapegoat and the major oil companies are big targets, and it's politically incorrect for them to defend themselves.
Especially if you look at bars-- the standard markup is 300% and they have very little overhead because their employees make tips. We need the oil companies to make at least a little profit, or there would be no investors, and the companies would go under, and then prices would go up even more.
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post #92 of 111
6/26/08 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Gas didn't just go up a "little bit."...but the fact that groceries and other necessities have gone up as a result affects me a. Our power company is trying to get approval to raise rates 12%.
And I'm afraid this is just the beginning. The ripple effects and pass-throughs are just starting to be seen on products other than groceries. The last time we went through this it took the economy ten years to recover. A "normal" recession is about two years.
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post #93 of 111
6/29/08 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
If you really want to save on gas....buy an SUV! Alot of them are marked down $5,000. That buys alot of gas!!

Seriously though, I'm tired of hearing people whine about the "soaring" cost of gas. I mean people own 5 big screen TVs with 8 billion channels, eat out 3,000 times a week, have multiple cell phones, computers, and blackberries....all of this stuff costs a fortune since the average human has to be endlessly "entertained" 24 hours a day. yet they complain when gas goes up a little bit. Seems like they could cut costs in alot of other areas to me.....
Gas is not a luxury for most people while the other things are. People have to get to work. The gas prices have caused other things to become more expensive. I am being charged fuel surcharges for services now and people with small businesses are feeling the crunch.
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post #94 of 111
6/30/08 at 8:13am
ARGH!!! This morning I was driving to work and I always drive no more than 5 over the speed limit. Anyway, this guy that goes the same way I do and sometimes gets behind me got behind me this morning. I can tell he is impatient, but I did not speed up for him. Then, we turned off of this little side road onto a main road (still 2 lanes) and he zooms around and gets in front of me! BUT, the kicker is he had to stop at the stop light too! So, all it gained him was one car in front of me at the stop light. ARGH it makes me sooooo mad when people do stuff like that. I almost got out of my car and said something or called the highway patrol to report him but I don't know if they could have done anything.
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post #95 of 111
6/30/08 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
If you really want to save on gas....buy an SUV! Alot of them are marked down $5,000. That buys alot of gas!!

Seriously though, I'm tired of hearing people whine about the "soaring" cost of gas. I mean people own 5 big screen TVs with 8 billion channels, eat out 3,000 times a week, have multiple cell phones, computers, and blackberries....all of this stuff costs a fortune since the average human has to be endlessly "entertained" 24 hours a day. yet they complain when gas goes up a little bit. Seems like they could cut costs in alot of other areas to me.....
Come down off your mountain and visit with a few of us plebes sometime. A lot of us can no longer afford things that we used to consider necessities. The only one in this house who gets non-mystery-brand food anymore is Zissou, because the store brands now cost more than the "good" ones used to.
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post #96 of 111
6/30/08 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
If you really want to save on gas....buy an SUV! Alot of them are marked down $5,000. That buys alot of gas!!

Seriously though, I'm tired of hearing people whine about the "soaring" cost of gas. I mean people own 5 big screen TVs with 8 billion channels, eat out 3,000 times a week, have multiple cell phones, computers, and blackberries....all of this stuff costs a fortune since the average human has to be endlessly "entertained" 24 hours a day. yet they complain when gas goes up a little bit. Seems like they could cut costs in alot of other areas to me.....
I certainly don't have all those things. My only luxurys are basic cable hooked up to a 20" TV with internet hooked up to my one PC and an occasional pizza bought at sale price. Everything else goes towards 'luxuries' like rent, utilities, food bought at the grocery store not a restaurant, payments on my Kia Rio and insurance.
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post #97 of 111
6/30/08 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by jean-ji View Post
MORE MISINFORMATION! It's never going to stop. Here's the real story and a quote from my article:

Pruis Safety

thats only YOUR car. And its not MISINFORMATION, because as i said, a friend is a EMT, and they REFUSE to work on hybrid cars/trucks, and he is not alone! Alot of EMT'S wont work on the cars/trucks, period.

and thats YOUR article. So you got some online info. Lots of things can be said saying that something is safe. I go by the word of the person that would be helping if i ever got in a wreck, not the stats from the car makers themsleves, who will say ANYTHING to get you to buy!

Just because one car is safe, DOES NOT mean the rest are! there wouldnt be talk about it if there wasent SOMETHING going on to cause the remarks!
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post #98 of 111
6/30/08 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Liza24 View Post
there wouldnt be talk about it if there wasent SOMETHING going on to cause the remarks!
And what if that "something" is fear of job losses in the U.S. car industry?
I think I'd rely more on the studies/reports from automobile associations, since they deal with, and eventually "test", practically all models.
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post #99 of 111
6/30/08 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by Liza24 View Post
thats only YOUR car. And its not MISINFORMATION, because as i said, a friend is a EMT, and they REFUSE to work on hybrid cars/trucks, and he is not alone! Alot of EMT'S wont work on the cars/trucks, period.

and thats YOUR article. So you got some online info. Lots of things can be said saying that something is safe. I go by the word of the person that would be helping if i ever got in a wreck, not the stats from the car makers themsleves, who will say ANYTHING to get you to buy!

Just because one car is safe, DOES NOT mean the rest are! there wouldnt be talk about it if there wasent SOMETHING going on to cause the remarks!
I'm sure your friend told you this at some point. There are a couple of extra safety considerations, such as not cutting through the neon-orange power lines, that are taken with hybrid cars. This doesn't mean they should refuse to work on them at all simply because they're hybrid, it doesn't mean hybrid cars aren't as safe, and it certainly isn't a reason not to buy one.

I've now asked one of my friends who is also a paramedic and has been for a long while now about this twice, and both times he has given me an answer completely contrary to yours and stressed that they absolutely cannot refuse to help someone because they're afraid of the car they're in.

http://publicsafety.com/article/arti...siteSection=22

http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center-article_116/ (See question 8)

No one is trying to be offensive to you or upset you, but you are presenting anecdotal evidence as fact, and as a reason that nobody should ever buy a hybrid, when the information you are giving is easily disproven.
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post #100 of 111
6/30/08 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
I'm sure your friend told you this at some point. There are a couple of extra safety considerations, such as not cutting through the neon-orange power lines, that are taken with hybrid cars. This doesn't mean they should refuse to work on them at all simply because they're hybrid, it doesn't mean hybrid cars aren't as safe, and it certainly isn't a reason not to buy one.

I've now asked one of my friends who is also a paramedic and has been for a long while now about this twice, and both times he has given me an answer completely contrary to yours and stressed that they absolutely cannot refuse to help someone because they're afraid of the car they're in.

http://publicsafety.com/article/arti...siteSection=22

http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center-article_116/ (See question 8)

No one is trying to be offensive to you or upset you, but you are presenting anecdotal evidence as fact, and as a reason that nobody should ever buy a hybrid, when the information you are giving is easily disproven.
i never said " dont buy one" all i was saying as they are not as safe, and good for the environment as they "claim" to be.

And EMT's CAN refuse to work on something if they feel their safety is in jepardy. Im not tryint go be offensive either in the least bit, jsut trying to make sure these cars arnt sugar coated as the " best thing going to save our planet" type things, ya know? to even SEE the fuel savings, it takes about 5 years,and THATS the car makers words, not mine,lol
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post #101 of 111
6/30/08 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by Liza24 View Post
thats only YOUR car. And its not MISINFORMATION, because as i said, a friend is a EMT, and they REFUSE to work on hybrid cars/trucks, and he is not alone! Alot of EMT'S wont work on the cars/trucks, period.

and thats YOUR article. So you got some online info. Lots of things can be said saying that something is safe. I go by the word of the person that would be helping if i ever got in a wreck, not the stats from the car makers themsleves, who will say ANYTHING to get you to buy!

Just because one car is safe, DOES NOT mean the rest are! there wouldnt be talk about it if there wasent SOMETHING going on to cause the remarks!
I'm still waiting for hard data and stats showing injury/death from hybrid technology.

This argument sounds like when cars took over from horse and buggys; those automobiles were new-fangled, no-good, dangerous inventions, why would anyone get one? Change is hard for people to accept and preying on people's fear is used to keep things the same.
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post #102 of 111
6/30/08 at 9:23pm
It was once believed a human being couldn't survive going faster than 60 mph.
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post #103 of 111
7/1/08 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
It was once believed a human being couldn't survive going faster than 60 mph.
Get outta town? Really? That is funny.
I should have been dead years ago then.
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post #104 of 111
7/1/08 at 10:48am
To respond to jean-Ji -

Still waiting for hard evidence? then prove to me they are TOTALLY safe. I dont have to prove anything with your type of facts. I have personal accounts of the EMT's Themselves, thats all i need.
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post #105 of 111
7/1/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Liza24 View Post
To respond to jean-Ji -

Still waiting for hard evidence? then prove to me they are TOTALLY safe. I dont have to prove anything with your type of facts. I have personal accounts of the EMT's Themselves, thats all i need.
That may be all you need to convince you not to buy one, but please refrain from spreading your story as facts. I've pointed out all kinds of flaws with your claim, including the word of another paramedic here in Columbus. Including a press release from a trade convention of EMT's about how they had to dispel the myths you're spreading at their conference.
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post #106 of 111
7/1/08 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
That may be all you need to convince you not to buy one, but please refrain from spreading your story as facts. I've pointed out all kinds of flaws with your claim, including the word of another paramedic here in Columbus. Including a press release from a trade convention of EMT's about how they had to dispel the myths you're spreading at their conference.


My "story" huh? watch it, your getting personal here. Its NOT story, its word of other EMT's. dont like it, dont go to Tx, cause thats where they are from.
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post #107 of 111
7/1/08 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Liza24 View Post
...then prove to me they are TOTALLY safe....
Nothing is totally safe, and especially not human-controlled vehicles travelling at 75 mph.

It may be that these vehicles just haven't been around long enough for any reliable statistical data to be accumulated on the types of issues you guys are arguing about.
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post #108 of 111
7/1/08 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Nothing is totally safe, and especially not human-controlled vehicles travelling at 75 mph.

It may be that these vehicles just haven't been around long enough for any reliable statistical data to be accumulated on the types of issues you guys are arguing about.

i meant safe as in being able to cut into them,lol

and your prob right. They have only been around a few years.
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post #109 of 111
7/1/08 at 5:50pm
Ok, friends, we've strayed from the high cost of fuel and driving the speed limit, and we're getting pretty testy, too. Can we please return to the topic, and anyone who has a gripe with another poster, either take it up privately -- that's what the PM system is for -- or if it's a matter of a perceived rule violation, then use the report post button and let the mod staff deal with it.
Thanks.
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post #110 of 111
7/4/08 at 5:57am
Well I drive the V8 full size truck and have basically thats been my vehicle for the past three years. But since we live in a rural area its been rare to drive to one of the nearest towns to just pick up one thing. I bunch my errands-its amazing how much stuff I can fit in the cab of the truck (not a supercab!). Will be ever switch to a smaller truck-probably not-just kept it for a longer time frame before replacing it.
I notice some of the semis driving slower-Schneider National (the orange trucks) is headquartered in Green Bay and they have reduced the speeds for their drivers.
If people want to speed and waste their money and are stupd enough to do so-they are probably paying for that gas on credit and it will catch up with them in the end.
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post #111 of 111
7/5/08 at 4:27pm
I try to do all of my errands on the way to and/or from work during the week. I try not to do any unnecessary driving if it can be avoided.
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