Cat Food, want to know what you are feeding your cat?

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Originally Posted by KatKisses

Cats love foods with byproducts in them, but did you know that byproducts can have tumors, euthinized CATS AND DOGS, infected/cancerous flesh, feet, pus, heads, fur, and plenty of other things that have no nutritional value and BYPRODUCTS are the FIRST ingredient in thousands of grocery store cat foods? Please do your kittys a favor and read some of the articles posted here!
From my notes that I have saved


*Good quality* digestible, by-products are a very definite high quality protein.
Poultry by-product meal is 58.7% high quality, complete protein (as fed) And 62.8% protein on a dry basis.

If you look at the sites and talk to the manufacterers, they all say their meat
as coming from USDA inspected plants and fit for human consumption. Gone are the days of the 4Ds. Why would they purposely use sources with Phenobarbital and stuff that can be detected? They have enough trouble already.

Here is the description of by- products as applies to industry standard as
taken from the official publication of AAFCO.

MEAT BY PRODUCTS: The non-rendered clean parts other than the meat derived from slaughtered mammals. It includes but is not limited to lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bone, partially defatted low temperature fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents. It DOES NOT include hair, horns, teeth and hoofs.

POULTRY BY PRODUCTS: must consist of clean, non-rendered parts of carcasses of slaughtered poultry such as heads, feet, viscera free from fecal content and foreign matter except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good good factory practice.

POULTRY BY PRODUCT MEAL: Consists of the ground dry or wet rendered clean parts of the carcasses of slaughtered poultry such as heads, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines exclusive of feathers except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice.

These are the minimums. Many good food companies go above these standards.

Because of persistent rumors that rendered by-products contain dead dogs and cats, the FDA conducted a study looking for pentobarbital, the most common euthanasia drug, in pet foods. They found it. Ingredients that were most commonly associated with the presence of pentobarbital were meat-and-bone-meal and animal fat. However, they also used very sensitive tests to look for canine and feline DNA, which were not found. Industry insiders admit that rendered pets and roadkill were used in pet food some years ago. Although there are still no laws or regulations against it, the practice is uncommon today, and pet food companies universally deny that their products contain any such materials. However, so-called “4D†animals (dead, dying, diseased, disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients for pet food.

I feed Eukanuba Hairball and Friskies canned (only the ones without gluten) both have by-products which I feel are a necessary part of a feline's diet. I recall a few months ago when we had that holistic vet on this site she stated in one of her posts she feeds Friskies so her cats get the needed by-products.
 

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Originally Posted by sharky

Do you have Orijen sister Acana avail???
Is this a question for me? Or is it someones name? I'm confused!




I checked out petfooddirect and prices are decent, but shipping would be through the roof for the amount of food I'll need for my 5 big cats. Thanks though.
 
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Originally Posted by KatKisses

I am not being cross, but that's like saying "I like chocolate, so it must be good for me." And 99% of people on here want to give their cats the very best that they can, so that they can have a long healthy life. Cats love foods with byproducts in them, but did you know that byproducts can have tumors, euthinized CATS AND DOGS, infected/cancerous flesh, feet, pus, heads, fur, and plenty of other things that have no nutritional value and BYPRODUCTS are the FIRST ingredient in thousands of grocery store cat foods? Please do your kittys a favor and read some of the articles posted here!
I agree!!

Children love MacDonalds but would you let yours eat it everyday?!! As a cat owner you have the responsibilty to provide the best care and nutrition you can to your cat. I am far from being an expert but have learnt so much since having betula.

Its clear i know no-where near as much as some people on here, am still trawling through the other threads!!!

Think i annoyed some people starting this one
but i get abit over excited when it comes to cat food!
 

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Originally Posted by crofty

I agree!!

Children love MacDonalds but would you let yours eat it everyday?!! As a cat owner you have the responsibilty to provide the best care and nutrition you can to your cat. I am far from being an expert but have learnt so much since having betula.

Its clear i know no-where near as much as some people on here, am still trawling through the other threads!!!

Think i annoyed some people starting this one
but i get abit over excited when it comes to cat food!
I'm glad you started it! I have done a lot of research, but I still like hearing what people say about the different foods. (Probably because after a while, all those numbers get all jumbled in my head!)
 

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lol...i even went and bought some other organic brands to try on the boys so you've provoked enough thought
 
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What i look for when looking at ingredients is no corn no gluten no soya no beet no garlic no onion no wheat no dairy.
You must have taurine in there whether it is added or natural. If there is a high natural chicken content including offal you will probably have enough occurance naturally.

Someone mentioned the use of corn for UTI's????!

The best way to prevent occurrence of UTI in cats, is by maintaining a diet that has low dietary levels of magnesium, less than 0.12% on a dry matter basis.

The most common cause of cat UTI is urolithiasis, the formation of stones in the urinary tract. The most common stone seen in feline urinary tract, struvite, is made up of minerals like magnesium, ammonium, and phosphate. The acidic and alkaline properties of these minerals disturb the pH level in catâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s urine, which in turn results in formation of struvite stones.

Urine pH is also influenced by the proteins present in diet and excessive intake of fish and meat can increase acidity. Cat foods that contain rich plant protein such as soybean meal can make urine more alkaline than required. If your catâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s diet contains more than the required quantity of magnesium, ammonium, and phosphate, it can lead to formation of urinary stones, or uroliths. When the diet contains more magnesium than is required to maintain body functions, the extra magnesium is passed on to the urine.

As cat diet is naturally rich in proteins, the frequency with which you feed your cat can have a direct impact on his developing UTI. Urine pH becomes alkaline after meals. If the cat has access to food all the time, he will keep on nibbling that does not let the urine pH become as alkaline as required.

Some timely prevention methods will help in keeping your pet away from the risk of UTI because if not attended to in time, UTI can lead to more severe conditions like that of infection of the kidneys and /or complete blockage of urine, ultimately leading to the death.

This article is quite interesting http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2729

As for people that eat alot of MacDonalds
, thats fine if you want to risk your health, cats eat what you give them, thats why they are your responsibilty.

Ive been trying to persuade Betula and Alfie that raw is yummy.... they screw their face up at me though
 
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Originally Posted by kluchetta

I'm glad you started it! I have done a lot of research, but I still like hearing what people say about the different foods. (Probably because after a while, all those numbers get all jumbled in my head!)
Oh if you have found any good articles id love to read!! Cat food is such a mine field!!
 

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Originally Posted by crofty

If there is a high natural chicken content including offal you will probably have enough occurance naturally.


Ive been trying to persuade Betula and Alfie that raw is yummy.... they screw their face up at me though
Sharky addressed the taurine issue in her response. If the meat is cooked you would still have to add taurine probably.

As for a raw diet, if one decides to feed raw, it is imperative that they do their research and during preparation add the necessary ingredients to ensure a healthy cat. It's not just a simple matter of throwing down some raw meat.
 
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Originally Posted by Yosemite

Sharky addressed the taurine issue in her response. If the meat is cooked you would still have to add taurine probably.

As for a raw diet, if one decides to feed raw, it is imperative that they do their research and during preparation add the necessary ingredients to ensure a healthy cat. It's not just a simple matter of throwing down some raw meat.
Yes i know. Im well aware you dont just 'throw' some raw meat down!! Im very keen to learn more about cat food. They are fed Natures menu at the moment, Betula is an ex-breeding queen so have only had her a few months, shes 3 years old and ive weaned her off felix and royal canin, she had terrible loose stools on that which is what prompted me to research cat food. I wouldnt change her diet without being sure i was providing her with a well balanced diet.
 

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Originally Posted by crofty

Oh good


What i look for when looking at ingredients is no corn no gluten no soya no beet no garlic no onion no wheat no dairy.
You must have taurine in there whether it is added or natural. If there is a high natural chicken content including offal you will probably have enough occurance naturally.

Someone mentioned the use of corn for UTI's????!

The best way to prevent occurrence of UTI in cats, is by maintaining a diet that has low dietary levels of magnesium, less than 0.12% on a dry matter basis.

The most common cause of cat UTI is urolithiasis, the formation of stones in the urinary tract. The most common stone seen in feline urinary tract, struvite, is made up of minerals like magnesium, ammonium, and phosphate. The acidic and alkaline properties of these minerals disturb the pH level in cat’s urine, which in turn results in formation of struvite stones.

Urine pH is also influenced by the proteins present in diet and excessive intake of fish and meat can increase acidity. Cat foods that contain rich plant protein such as soybean meal can make urine more alkaline than required. If your cat’s diet contains more than the required quantity of magnesium, ammonium, and phosphate, it can lead to formation of urinary stones, or uroliths. When the diet contains more magnesium than is required to maintain body functions, the extra magnesium is passed on to the urine.

As cat diet is naturally rich in proteins, the frequency with which you feed your cat can have a direct impact on his developing UTI. Urine pH becomes alkaline after meals. If the cat has access to food all the time, he will keep on nibbling that does not let the urine pH become as alkaline as required.

Some timely prevention methods will help in keeping your pet away from the risk of UTI because if not attended to in time, UTI can lead to more severe conditions like that of infection of the kidneys and /or complete blockage of urine, ultimately leading to the death.

This article is quite interesting http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2729

As for people that eat alot of MacDonalds
, thats fine if you want to risk your health, cats eat what you give them, thats why they are your responsibilty.

Ive been trying to persuade Betula and Alfie that raw is yummy.... they screw their face up at me though
You are thinking in a TRUE natural diet ie raw ... NOT the typical cat diet
...

which is dry .... dry food usually has meals which = more concentrated meat and bone which is NOT correctly balenced ... for calcium phos and mag in poultry and beef ( lamb is to a degree )... Yes fish throws it off due to PROCESSING ( ie fish is processed with bone while other meats are at least semi deboned )...

YES CORN aid s in balencing the chicken most prefer the gluten as it at least provides some additional protein .. the link you provided is a VERY GOOD BEGINNER link...

Genetics play s a BIG role in uti issues ... feeding schedule is HIGHLY debateable

Magnesium levels should NOT be as high as.12 it is .085 to .10 depending on if prior issues have been seen,...
You also do not note the role of sodium and potassium

side note MY CAPs= emphisis not anger



I have done raw , raw and cooked , strait cooked , dry and dry and canned with my kids... ask any raw ?? s you have
 
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Originally Posted by sharky

You are thinking in a TRUE natural diet ie raw ... NOT the typical cat diet
...

which is dry .... dry food usually has meals which = more concentrated meat and bone which is NOT correctly balenced ... for calcium phos and mag in poultry and beef ( lamb is to a degree )... Yes fish throws it off due to PROCESSING ( ie fish is processed with bone while other meats are at least semi deboned )...

YES CORN aid s in balencing the chicken most prefer the gluten as it at least provides some additional protein .. the link you provided is a VERY GOOD BEGINNER link...

Genetics play s a BIG role in uti issues ... feeding schedule is HIGHLY debateable

Magnesium levels should NOT be as high as.12 it is .085 to .10 depending on if prior issues have been seen,...
You also do not note the role of sodium and potassium

side note MY CAPs= emphisis not anger



I have done raw , raw and cooked , strait cooked , dry and dry and canned with my kids... ask any raw ?? s you have
Oh what do you feed your cats? I am a beginner
so would love to pick your brains! I dont think i could do a completely raw diet, i do like the idea of it and ive been reading abit about it, it was purely as a treat, i have a great local farmshop. Alfie likes raw mince but they both turn their nose up at chicken.

There are so many different opinions and articles, its quite confusing!!
 

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Originally Posted by crofty

Oh what do you feed your cats? I am a beginner
so would love to pick your brains! I dont think i could do a completely raw diet, i do like the idea of it and ive been reading abit about it, it was purely as a treat, i have a great local farmshop. Alfie likes raw mince but they both turn their nose up at chicken.

There are so many different opinions and articles, its quite confusing!!
LOL.. yup it can be confusing .. but I note your a human nurse from another thread ... I studied human nutrition and biology
... I think like this no two drs ever 100% agree on patient care... no diet is one size fit even most ...

I feed the cats I have Taste of the wild dry ... one is a former feral who "catches " her raw and the baby 7 months prefers cooked with his dry ... I tailor the eating to the individual ... do you know how to PM??? send me one I will go more in depth
..

Does your vet support a raw diet or a homemade one/??
 
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Originally Posted by sharky

LOL.. yup it can be confusing .. but I note your a human nurse from another thread ... I studied human nutrition and biology
... I think like this no two drs ever 100% agree on patient care... no diet is one size fit even most ...

I feed the cats I have Taste of the wild dry ... one is a former feral who "catches " her raw and the baby 7 months prefers cooked with his dry ... I tailor the eating to the individual ... do you know how to PM??? send me one I will go more in depth
..

Does your vet support a raw diet or a homemade one/??
Are you in the UK? Yes will pm you thankyou


My vet is the same as most they sell Hills
I dont really trust vets advice on nutrition! Yep Im a staff nurse so know abit about nutrition but its obviously different when it comes to cats... infact think they eat better than me
 

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Originally Posted by thechangingman

good read!

being relatively new to cat ownership i started using the garbage our first breeder fed their cats only to quickly realise 4% meat was a complete joke,

now everything is 75% meat ( the rest being water and rice ) and all the dry food is as good as it gets...

problem is its 4 - 10 times the price so i'm sure its hard for many ( especially those with more than 1 cat!! ) to justify the cost...

Education is also pretty low - the companies selling garbage have the money to advertise on TV and vets take their nice cut of the Hills muck ( over here ) so people take for granted its good if the vet recommends it
I take it you're feeding almo nature and/or Applaws? Or Cosma? The Best By dates are usually about two years from now, so it's "safe" to buy the economy or value packs, which saves you a bit. Some German suppliers offer almo by the case - 6 x 48 cans, with free choice of the six flavors, and free shipping within Germany. You might find some similar offers in the UK.
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Just about all dry foods will have some corn or gluten in them. I see nothing wrong with it. A combo of wet and dry food is best for most cats.

We feed Royal Canin - Urinary and a variety of canned foods (Max Cat, Iams, and Natural Balance.
I am switching my cat to Royal Canin Urinary SO, as well, on the advice of my vet. (Murray has been eating Purina One, and has done all right on it, but I have heard that isn't the best food available. Plus, Murray seems to only tolerate it rather than savor it, and he seems to like the Royal Canin better.) I also feed him Friskies Dental Diet, and the vet says that is doing good things for his teeth. Recently I started giving Murray some Fancy Feast to add some moisture to his diet, and he is loving it, though he only eats small amounts at a time.
 

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Originally Posted by purrrplej

I am switching my cat to Royal Canin Urinary SO, as well, on the advice of my vet. (Murray has been eating Purina One, and has done all right on it, but I have heard that isn't the best food available. Plus, Murray seems to only tolerate it rather than savor it, and he seems to like the Royal Canin better.) I also feed him Friskies Dental Diet, and the vet says that is doing good things for his teeth. Recently I started giving Murray some Fancy Feast to add some moisture to his diet, and he is loving it, though he only eats small amounts at a time.
If you could get Murray to eat a better quality wet food it would be better. FF is for cats like McDonalds is for kids - OK once in awhile but not a good diet. Unfortunately once cats get it, they get hooked on it and you many have difficulty switching them to a better quality food.
 

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Originally Posted by Yosemite

If you could get Murray to eat a better quality wet food it would be better. FF is for cats like McDonalds is for kids - OK once in awhile but not a good diet. Unfortunately once cats get it, they get hooked on it and you many have difficulty switching them to a better quality food.
Well, I kind of figured I'd try Fancy Feast because he turned up his nose at other wet foods I had given him, and I thought Fancy Feast, being so "likable," would be a safer bet... and I was right. I thought maybe if I could get him into the wet-food habit with the Fancy Feast, then I might be able to switch him to a higher-quality wet food later.

In any event, he doesn't eat much of the Fancy Feast at one time, so it's more a treat than a big staple of his diet.
 

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Since we're on the subject, is it really true that "any wet is better than no wet at all"?

I've tried the kittens on several high quality wet foods and they don't show much interest. I've looked at some of the grocery store brands, and they all seem to have things I have learned to avoid: unnamed by-products, wheat gluten, artificial colours. I have a hard time thinking that feeding them that is better than feeding them their high quality dry (Wellness/Orijen). Since, if they ate the lower quality wet, they'd likely eat less of the good stuff. It seems counterproductive.
 
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