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THE head of one of the nation's elite private schools has questioned whether English should be compulsory for the senior years, saying the courses being taught are beyond the intellectual ability of most students.
Article: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5-2702,00.html

I have to wonder what is in the curriculum that makes it so hard. If it's more of an advanced course shouldn't it be left to those students who have shown that they can handle it while students who struggle with English stick to a more basic curriculum? I need to know more about this. If anyone can help it would be appreciated.
post #2 of 15
i agree english is to hard. lets all change to chinese.
post #3 of 15
"In his speech, Dr Wright said the NSW English course for Years 11 and 12 was a major challenge for many students."

Shouldn't school be a challenge?

If English is too much of a challenge, maybe they should switch to the American way and teach Ebonics to people with poor grammar and enunciation.
post #4 of 15
OMG. More dumbing down of our children.

Anyone ever heard of application, hard work and good old-fashioned effort?
post #5 of 15
DH and I were talking about that this morning. How is it, that most adults these days survived school that promoted a challenging curriculum, as well as competition, and we're doing just fine? Why is it, all of a sudden, a problem to have competition, responsibility, and challenges in school, let alone in life?

(And I'm proud to say that the only word that I originally misspelled was curriculum, and only by one letter.)

If we continue to cater to the "lowest-common-denominator" there will no longer be advanced courses, a willingness to succeed and compete, and people who can take responsibility seriously.

Has anyone watched Idiocracy? I shudder to think that it might be a bit on the accurate side.
post #6 of 15
It's hard to comment on this because we don't know what exactly is being protested against. I mean, at grade 11 and 12, I HOPE they aren't saying basic grammer and sentence structure is to hard! But, normally by high school you are more into reading and analyzing.

When I was in high school, the seniors had either the regular english class, and the AP english class which was more demanding and only certain students qualified. They actually got college credits for those classes. Maybe they are teaching their classes like AP, but without the credits. And, some people just don't think the way english majors think. Just like I don't have a talent for math. I made it up to pre-cal and managed to squeak through but just barely. If I had to take Cal 1 and Cal 2 my last two years I would have failed. Cal 1 was offered as AP for students who were good at math, but everyone didn't have to take it.

But, like I said, it's hard to tell exactly what is the problem here.
post #7 of 15
The English classes for 11th and 12th at my High School were harder then first couple years of English college courses at the nearby college (and I think the state uni's, too, from what past students said). My teacher was teaching us stuff that the colleges didn't require. Her classes also ranked within the top 5 hardest classes in the state... (add that to her never being there and losing stuff and you have one very aggravating teacher). So yes, what they're teaching specifically could be very different from the English classes most are remembering and maybe should be changed some to at least be on par with what the colleges and universities in that area are teaching.
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
The English classes for 11th and 12th at my High School were harder then first couple years of English college courses at the nearby college (and I think the state uni's, too, from what past students said). My teacher was teaching us stuff that the colleges didn't require. Her classes also ranked within the top 5 hardest classes in the state... (add that to her never being there and losing stuff and you have one very aggravating teacher). So yes, what they're teaching specifically could be very different from the English classes most are remembering and maybe should be changed some to at least be on par with what the colleges and universities in that area are teaching.
What exactly was being taught that wasn't required in college? Are you talking about English 101 and 102, which basically covered grammer, sentence struction and made sure you could comprehend and write resonably well. (If I remember correctly, it's been 20 years since freshmen year of college ). In my junior and senior year of high school, we had to read books, discuss them, and write papers about them. Which is pretty much what I had to do for college english classes too but much more in depth.
post #9 of 15
One only has to look around one to notice they have already stopped teaching proper English, grammar, spelling and sentence structure in any school apparently.
post #10 of 15
Maybe the teachers need to learn how to send their lessons by text-message.

Seriously, though, isn't "courses being taught are beyond the intellectual ability of most students" selling them short? People aren't any dumber today than they were when I was in high school. Shorter attention spans maybe, less motivated to learn maybe, but that doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Frankly, I think if we'd just challenge them a little more, and recognize achievement, today's educators might be a little surprised at what today's youth can achieve. They need to be inspired to concentrate and to think and to reason, and they need to be inspired to achieve, and they're not going to learn any of those with today's "teaching to the test."
post #11 of 15
That's actually almost funny. The only problem I ever had with English is that it was always such a boring class. It would be more fun if the teachers could take some trouble to put a little more creativity into it. I mean, really..When was the last time that your knowledge of how to diagram a sentence came in handy? Every year I bugged some English teacher for some creative writing stuff & every year it was the same old crap. Lets learn nouns, pronouns & spend the rest of the year boring the hell out of the student body by increasing the complexity of the sentences they have to diagram!
Wow, that one really helped me in life, how bout you?
IMO, that's about as useless to me in later years as having teachings of the Bhagavad Gita forced down my throat in World Cultures class.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
What exactly was being taught that wasn't required in college? .
For one, she didn't want any helping verbs at all, despite some of the topics and tenses she wanted us to write in. I can understand her not wanting us to write everything passively but it took all the fun out of writing! The local colleges English and creative writing classes were a lot looser with rules.
But as I mentioned, the hardest part about her class was that she was never there to tell you what your assignment was - no sub, no notes, no teacher for three days in a row.

Admittedly, I barely passed her class. She lost my thesis and counted points off because I had to print her out another, late, copy. When I moved one of her book cases a couple of months later I found my and two other people's papers - I flung them down on her desk in front of her and stormed off... more points off my grade.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
i agree english is to hard. lets all change to chinese.
No, no, no! Tagalog; it rolls off the tongue easier.
post #14 of 15
OOO! He's right. Let's stop teaching English. Heck, let's not even teach it in any grade level.

We don't need to know it, right?

So who cares?

While we're at it, how about math? Math is HARRRRD! No more math!

Okay, no more math, no more English. Now about that absurb 'history' concept... Out with that too! Memorizing dates is hard!

No math, no English, no history.

Speaking of hard... with our nation's rising obesity amongst children, P.E. is far too difficult. Out with that as well. And recess too! Social skills are too difficult to figure out and tetherball and other games can be a real pain.

Heck, out with school! Let's just eat lunch and go home.
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Originally Posted by Forensic View Post
Let's stop teaching English. Heck, let's not even teach it in any grade level.We don't need to know it, right?....While we're at it, how about math? Math is HARRRRD! No more math!
Right!! Isn't that what computers are for, anyway?
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....Let's just eat lunch and go home.
That's something computers can't do.
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