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So is it a done deal, or what?

post #1 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:19am
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Obama has won the nomination, I believe. Hillary is yet to concede, however, but that doesn't make any difference does it? He's won, hasn't he?

Pity I don't think he'll beat McCain, but if he's smart enough to pick Hillary as VP he'll have a better chance.

I hope people stick with party and not nomination. I think together Obama and Hillary can do a great deal of much-needed good for America.
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post #2 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:26am
yep,obama has enough delegates now. Iguess she could still try and make a case, but now to many i think it would look like sour grapes.
obama chances are very small, The worse thing he can do i think is to pick hillary as a running mate for several reasons. Top of the list is, the fact that both have very deviding effect on people. Together that effect will double.

sticking with party is one of the worse things people can do. VOTE the issues not the party. That how we got into some of the issue to start with.
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post #3 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:42am
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You're right about that - they are divisive, and they have been at each other's throats throughout the whole campaign (although I really think Hillary has been much more guilty of that than Obama). Will people believe that they are a united front? Hard to say.

What you say is right - vote the issues not the party. I agree. In Australia we are much more party oriented than you are there, though.
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post #4 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:44am
that why i am independent.
i cant go along with everything, the rep do, anymore then i can agree with what the dem do.

to me it seems like the far left has taken over the dem party. That is what keeps hurting them every 4 years.
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post #5 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:48am
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So who do you think he should choose as his running mate?

And I think that the far left, as you say, may be making more of an appearance purely because the far right have been running the Republican party for a long time now.

McCain is a departure from that, and I would also call Hillary more far left than Obama.
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post #6 of 58
6/4/08 at 1:55am
the show i was listening to on the radio,
talked about hillary of course, But seemed to think the best choice would be Ted Strickland(who happens to be gov of ohio)

Strickland is a dem, who i voted for, So far over all he has done much better then the old one(rep by the name of Bob Taft, who imo should be sitting in a jail cell)
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post #7 of 58
6/4/08 at 2:05am
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I guess that's one of the most (if not the most) important decision that there is to make for the nominees.

Has McCain indicated who he is running with?
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post #8 of 58
6/4/08 at 2:39am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I guess that's one of the most (if not the most) important decision that there is to make for the nominees.

Has McCain indicated who he is running with?
Not yet. lots and lots of what if;s.

lol i know some people will get upset here. but
I would not be shocked if hillary said that dem party has turned on her, and she jumps parties and run as vp with mccain. (lol ok flame away )
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post #9 of 58
6/4/08 at 6:06am
I don't think she'd say that, but I could actually see her running with McCain, whom she's worked with in the Senate. Don't forget that she was at one time a registered Republican.
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post #10 of 58
6/4/08 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I don't think she'd say that, but I could actually see her running with McCain, whom she's worked with in the Senate. Don't forget that she was at one time a registered Republican.
She was a Goldwater Republican. Heck, if that man was running now I'd vote for him.

NPR just said she courting the VP slot on the Obama ticket. I wouldn't be all that shocked if he took her.
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post #11 of 58
6/4/08 at 6:23am
It was a done deal weeks ago, but Hillary was too stubborn to admit it and made a complete fool out of herself and spend millions of dollars more than she can afford.
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post #12 of 58
6/4/08 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
It was a done deal weeks ago, but Hillary was too stubborn to admit it and made a complete fool out of herself and spend millions of dollars more than she can afford.
Nope that is what the press wanted people to think.
There was a huge chance that it could have ended with,
both obama and hillary short of the total number of delegates needed.

Keep in mind i tend to vote more rep then dem. I still think the dem party, and the press was very unfair to her , this whole time. Obama also imo kept getting a free pass for everything from most of the media.

As it is, she still got more votes the obama did. Which i am sure she will bring up if she does not admit defeat today.

lol i admit i was kinda hoping it would keep going to see what the dems would do.
oh well it was good for the blood.
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post #13 of 58
6/4/08 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Not yet. lots and lots of what if;s.

lol i know some people will get upset here. but
I would not be shocked if hillary said that dem party has turned on her, and she jumps parties and run as vp with mccain. (lol ok flame away )
Stranger things have happened. Did you catch this speech where he is praising her?
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Senator Clinton has earned great respect for her tenacity and courage. The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans, and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received. As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach. I am proud to call her my friend.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...ton_in_ne.html
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post #14 of 58
6/4/08 at 5:44pm
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They've both been on about how much they love each other the last 24 hours! It's like a mutual appreciation society...lol
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post #15 of 58
6/4/08 at 6:28pm
Obama and Clinton have too much in differences to work together. Clinton still would want to be in charge. And besides, many people do NOT want Bill Clinton hanging around the White House again.
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post #16 of 58
6/4/08 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
It was a done deal weeks ago, but Hillary was too stubborn to admit it and made a complete fool out of herself and spend millions of dollars more than she can afford.
I don't think it was a done deal weeks ago, she did get the popular vote.
18 million votes is nothing to sneeze at. So, do people think that the super delegates are more important than the popular vote? I sure don't

I can tell you right now, I watched the stupid rules committee this past Saturday and it was a joke. There was an undeclared super delegate from Nevada (she chose that day to come out for Obama and got her moment in the sun on TV) Her name is Yvonne Atkinson Gates, she is a "former" Clark County Commissioner, she retired to evade investigation of ethics fraud. She is a crook from the word go. She got caught for an entire litany of things. Google her name, you will see.
So, this woman is a Super delegate and what is really bad, I could not believe it,
she is on the darn RULES committee.

Only in America
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post #17 of 58
6/4/08 at 7:17pm
naw we are just catching up with the rest of the world.
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post #18 of 58
6/5/08 at 6:43am
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I don't think it was a done deal weeks ago
Well, it's a done deal now, but she seems to be the only one who doesn't know it.

I would consider the people of the US lucky that she didn't win because there is such a thing as tenacity to win and then there is pure stubborness in the ability to admit defeat with grace. The latter is a very poor quality in a leader.

Seems "you win" just isn't in her vocabulary and to me she's coming across as a sore loser because of it.
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post #19 of 58
6/5/08 at 11:08am
Yes, it has been a done deal for a looooong time. There was a point about 3 weeks ago where she would have had to win every single delegate left in order to beat him.

Her delusions just let her fans think she had a chance. She has done nothing but hurt the Democrats for about a month and a half now.
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post #20 of 58
6/5/08 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Yes, it has been a done deal for a looooong time. There was a point about 3 weeks ago where she would have had to win every single delegate left in order to beat him.

Her delusions just let her fans think she had a chance. She has done nothing but hurt the Democrats for about a month and a half now.

So, winning the popular vote by the little people really doesn't matter?

I guess we can keep the Electoral College then.

That's a good thing.
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post #21 of 58
6/5/08 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, winning the popular vote by the little people really doesn't matter?

I guess we can keep the Electoral College then.

That's a good thing.
Cindy, if we went by popular vote in this country you'd be able to complain about President Gore.


I'm just saying.
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post #22 of 58
6/5/08 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Yes, it has been a done deal for a looooong time. There was a point about 3 weeks ago where she would have had to win every single delegate left in order to beat him.

Her delusions just let her fans think she had a chance. She has done nothing but hurt the Democrats for about a month and a half now.

errr, no that is not true.
I am not a fan. but until obama got the number needed. there was no reason to drop out. It very well could have gone down to the end. with both not having the number needed.

anyway, all they did was give the REP a 99% chance of win now.
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post #23 of 58
6/5/08 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
Cindy, if we went by popular vote in this country you'd be able to complain about President Gore.


I'm just saying.
Bush won the popular vote last time,
so that does not always help
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post #24 of 58
6/5/08 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Bush won the popular vote last time,
so that does not always help
I'm talking about back in 2000. Most likely Bush wouldn't have run in 2004 if Gore had beat him.

Trust me. I've had fantasies about this.
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post #25 of 58
6/5/08 at 6:58pm
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You and the rest of the world.
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post #26 of 58
6/5/08 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
I'm talking about back in 2000. Most likely Bush wouldn't have run in 2004 if Gore had beat him.

Trust me. I've had fantasies about this.
of the united Taliban states of america
well i guess the plus side would have been , gore would have been to busy , to make up his gobal warming lies, and marketing campaigns
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post #27 of 58
6/6/08 at 8:19am
Hillary only won the popular vote if you don't count any of the uncommited votes from Michigan (where he wasn't on the ballot) as being for Obama.

So...

And yes, math works. There was a point long ago where Clinton could not have gotten more delegates than Obama without winning more than 75% of the votes in every primary left, including states where she was considerably behind in the polls. It was a lost cause then, just as much as now.
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post #28 of 58
6/6/08 at 10:39am
Is it a done deal? Unofficially, yes. There have been enough Superdelegates that have publicly given their support to Obama that he unofficially has enough delegates.

However, he does not have enough from the straight primaries and caucuses. And the Superdelegates *can* change their minds up to the day they vote at the convention. Granted, Obama has managed to skate past every potential scandal (Tony Rezco, Jeremiah Wright...), but if something horrible happens or comes out about him between now and August, and Hillary hasn't dropped out of the race, theoretically the Superdelegates could vote for her and she could get the nomination. It's a really, really big longshot, but stranger things have been known to happen in politics.

For the most part, Hillary is done, and I'm sure she knows it too. But I can't blame her for not dropping out of the race, given how the system is set up for the Democrats. Mike Huckabee didn't drop out of the GOP race until McCain had enough delegates to clinch the nomination, even though he would have had to win almost every state to win...virtually an impossibility. Ron Paull still won't drop out. Based on the actual votes that have been counted, Obama hasn't reached the "magic number". Makes sense why she won't drop out either.
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post #29 of 58
6/6/08 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Based on the actual votes that have been counted, Obama hasn't reached the "magic number". Makes sense why she won't drop out either.
He did reach the magic number on Tuesday (40 over, actually), and Clinton is conceding on Saturday night.
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post #30 of 58
6/6/08 at 1:13pm
I've been hearing news reports since yesterday that she's going to drop out officially tomorrow.
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