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post #91 of 269
6/27/08 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
Yeah B. Hussein Obama's speeches are great.....too bad he doesn't actually say anything....

Go McCain!!!
I just started listening to him a few days ago, and what little I've heard it that time impressed me more than all the droning that everyone else has been doing for months.
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post #92 of 269
6/27/08 at 1:55pm
Thanks for the link, Z., I think that makes it clear at least that what Obama says are his own thoughts and ideas; he has some help with HOW he says it. I'll settle for that. He wouldn't let the kid write his speeches if it wasn't what he wanted to say AND how he wanted to say it.
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post #93 of 269
6/27/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47 View Post
... J. Sidney McCain. "Sidney" must say something very important about him, don't you think?
What it says to me is that he was already well-conditioned by his school years to enable him to endure his time as a POW.
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post #94 of 269
6/27/08 at 2:04pm
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What is so fascinating about Obama's middle name? If it's so important to refer to him by it, then I think you should also be referring to his opponent as J. Sidney McCain. "Sidney" must say something very important about him, don't you think?
Well gee pardon me....I almost forget that Hussein is exempt from any type of scrutiny or criticism. After all the mainstream media has his back! Associations with antiAmerican left wing thugs like Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farahkan, David Ayers....so what??? He's the great agent of hope!! Go Obama!! Yay Socialism!!! All right high taxes and big government!!! Hooray to sucking up to terrorists!!
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post #95 of 269
6/27/08 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47 View Post
What is so fascinating about Obama's middle name? If it's so important to refer to him by it, then I think you should also be referring to his opponent as J. Sidney McCain. "Sidney" must say something very important about him, don't you think?
I am so with you. Like a baby has a choice in their middle name? That means anyone named Timothy may well have ties to Timothy McVey. I think it is absurd.
Sidney means that McCain has unseemly ties with Sidney Poitier.
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post #96 of 269
6/27/08 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
I am so with you. Like a baby has a choice in their middle name? That means anyone named Timothy may well have ties to Timothy McVey. I think it is absurd.
Sidney means that McCain has unseemly ties with Sidney Poitier.

It doesn't concern you that his middle name is Islamic?

Or that he thinks there are 57 states?

Or that he's a total moron thats not qualified to run a Subway, let alone the country?

guess that stuff don't matter since he's such an "eloquent" speaker.
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post #97 of 269
6/27/08 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
It doesn't concern you that his middle name is Islamic?
It doesn't me. Islam is a completely legal, recognized and tax exempt religion practiced in the United States. Besides, it means exactly: what? Look at the names Keith Ellison, Jeffery Lang, Mike Tyson, Michael Wolfe...all American Muslims.

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Or that he thinks there are 57 states?
There are posters here that make worse snafu's when we're wide awake. I'm one of them.

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Or that he's a total moron thats not qualified to run a Subway, let alone the country?
Has he taken any intelligence tests to support this, or is it an opinion?

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guess that stuff don't matter since he's such an "eloquent" speaker.
It actually doesn't matter to me, simply because I don't consider it to be anything that matters.
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post #98 of 269
6/27/08 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
It doesn't me. Islam is a completely legal, recognized and tax exempt religion practiced in the United States. Besides, it means exactly: what? Look at the names Keith Ellison, Jeffery Lang, Mike Tyson, Michael Wolfe...all American Muslims.



There are posters here that make worse snafu's when we're wide awake. I'm one of them.



Has he taken any intelligence tests to support this, or is it an opinion?



It actually doesn't matter to me, simply because I don't consider it to be anything that matters.

OK I just called Obama a moron and I can't even figure out how to do multiple quotes. And no I don't think he's a moron...but I also don't think think he's qualified to be president. An undistinguished stint in the Illinois senate and not even one full term in the US senate doesn't qualify someone to be president IMO. The guy makes one speech at the Democrat convention...and all of a sudden he's presidential material.

I'm just frustrated with people backing someone for president just because he's "young" or "charismatic" or "a good speaker" or "not a republican". These are the reasons I get consistently get from Obama supporters. Yet they have no clue where he stands on issues...except he's for "change". (change is not always good BTW). People need to to look where this guy stands on the issues! (although I'm not certain he knows...). If you took a long look at this guy's background and who he's been associated with....you might change your opinion....because quite frankly its kinda scary.

As a Illinois native, I can tell you the last thing I'd ever want in the White House is a Chicago liberal. I think if this guy somehow gets elected, it will be a HUGE mistake for this country. I'll probably get flamed for this post- because there seem to be alot of Dems on here- but this is just the way I feel from what information I know about this guy. I just wish people would be more informed...and not rely solely on the mainstream media to make their decisions for them.
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post #99 of 269
6/27/08 at 9:16pm
I agree with you SportbikeMike. I don't want Obama as President either.
His voting record in the Senate is atrocious, when you vote "Present" because you can't make up your mind to vote "yes" or "no" on something, that is pretty pathetic.

I think he is a Socialist also.

I'll go you one better, I think there is a chance he may be the Anti-Christ, or at the very least, one of his right-hand men.

I am going with my gut and I have a really, really bad gut feeling about him.
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post #100 of 269
6/27/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
guess that stuff don't matter since he's such an "eloquent" speaker.
Hey, it worked for Bill!

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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
OK I just called Obama a moron and I can't even figure out how to do multiple quotes.

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I'm just frustrated with people backing someone for president just because he's "young" or "charismatic" or "a good speaker" or "not a republican".

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As a Illinois native, I can tell you the last thing I'd ever want in the White House is a Chicago liberal. I think if this guy somehow gets elected, it will be a HUGE mistake for this country. I'll probably get flamed for this post- because there seem to be alot of Dems on here- but this is just the way I feel from what information I know about this guy. I just wish people would be more informed...and not rely solely on the mainstream media to make their decisions for them.
1. OMG that first sentence made me LOL! (BTW, there's a small button with + " on it at the bottom of every post. Click it and it's highlighted. Click it on as many posts as you want...that's how you get multi-quotes. )

2. Unfortunately, that seems to be the intelligence of the "average voter" anymore. Doesn't even matter what you stand for, as long as you're against the "right" (dual meaning, pun intended!) stuff.

3. My husband is also from Illinois and said the same thing. He said you don't know dirty politics unless you've seen Illinois politics in action. There have definitely been some items the media has focused on with both candidates that I don't think are all that important, and others that have been swept under the rug - especially with Obama. But what I really and truly don't hear from the media is where the candidates actually do stand, and what their policies would be as President. I know McCain is talking about that (which is probably why he's barely covered by the press right now - nothing "juicy" about boring ol' policy!). I presume Obama is too.


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I agree with you SportbikeMike. I don't want Obama as President either.
His voting record in the Senate is atrocious, when you vote "Present" because you can't make up your mind to vote "yes" or "no" on something, that is pretty pathetic.

I think he is a Socialist also.

I'll go you one better, I think there is a chance he may be the Anti-Christ, or at the very least, one of his right-hand men.

I am going with my gut and I have a really, really bad gut feeling about him.
There's actually a shirt out there with Obama as the anti-Christ. PM if you want the link...the site contains some...not family friendly shirts. I'm really thinking of getting it, especially with the Democratic National Convention coming here. I always did like offending people who needed offending.

And Cindy, there's very little doubt that he's a socialist. The small bits of policy that he has let out just reinforce that idea.
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post #101 of 269
6/27/08 at 11:11pm
i'm REALLY not looking forward to this election... i don't like ANYONE from the regular parties.
don't know about the write-ins.
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post #102 of 269
6/28/08 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
As a Illinois native, I can tell you the last thing I'd ever want in the White House is a Chicago liberal. I think if this guy somehow gets elected, it will be a HUGE mistake for this country. I'll probably get flamed for this post- because there seem to be alot of Dems on here- but this is just the way I feel from what information I know about this guy. I just wish people would be more informed...and not rely solely on the mainstream media to make their decisions for them.
You may get flamed but it won't be by me. Because this post is now something I can get behind; your personal opinion and experience. I've been a Republican since I was old enough to vote, but I've never been one to toe the party line. I'll cross over for the better candidate. I'll probably change my mind a couple more times before the election from the look of things. I'd rather vote for McCain, I have a lot of respect for him as a person. But I swear, that man's mind seems to meander all over the place.
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post #103 of 269
6/28/08 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I agree with you SportbikeMike. I don't want Obama as President either.
His voting record in the Senate is atrocious, when you vote "Present" because you can't make up your mind to vote "yes" or "no" on something, that is pretty pathetic.

I think he is a Socialist also.

I'll go you one better, I think there is a chance he may be the Anti-Christ, or at the very least, one of his right-hand men.

I am going with my gut and I have a really, really bad gut feeling about him.
Socialism doesn't really bother me in this scenario. It comes in a hundred different degrees and ideals. Mixed economies with social elements are working just fine all over the world. Even in the US, the state can already step into private business for purposes of Safety, Health and Environmental issues.

Martin Luther and the Lutheran Synod said that the Pope was the anti-christ. The Kahayag says that the Lady of Fatima is the anti-christ. Jerry Falwell said an already born but yet to be identified jewish male is the anti-christ. At least one person claims that George W. Bush's name, given a value in Hebrew and added together equals 666, and that he is the anti-christ. And; Nietzsche called himself the anti-christ. How many people are going to get to wear that hat, anyway?
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post #104 of 269
6/28/08 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
It doesn't concern you that his middle name is Islamic?

Or that he thinks there are 57 states?

Or that he's a total moron thats not qualified to run a Subway, let alone the country?

guess that stuff don't matter since he's such an "eloquent" speaker.
Hopefully you are employing hyperbole to make your point. So what that his middle name is Islamic? I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. I have issue with terrorists. Terrorism did not begin and end with Islam. There have been terrorists of varied cultures, religions and beliefs.
I spent most of my life as a Republican but hate partisan politics so much that I am an Independent.
McCain ensures I will remain one too.
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post #105 of 269
6/28/08 at 7:45am
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Hopefully you are employing hyperbole to make your point. So what that his middle name is Islamic? I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. I have issue with terrorists. Terrorism did not begin and end with Islam. There have been terrorists of varied cultures, religions and beliefs.
I spent most of my life as a Republican but hate partisan politics so much that I am an Independent.
McCain ensures I will remain one too.

I realize not all Muslims are terrorists...but it seems to me that ALL terrorists are Muslims. I don't see Christians or Jews ramming airplanes into buildings or strapping explosives to themselves so they can blow up crowds of innocent people....or sawing the heads off of people who have different beliefs than they do.The religion of peace?.....yeah right! . And yes, I'm concerned with Obama's ties with Islam and his sketchy past. McCain may not be perfect, but IMO he's a huge improvement over the alternative....
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post #106 of 269
6/28/08 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
I realize not all Muslims are terrorists...but it seems to me that ALL terrorists are Muslims. I don't see Christians or Jews ramming airplanes into buildings or strapping explosives to themselves so they can blow up crowds of innocent people....or sawing the heads off of people who have different beliefs than they do.The religion of peace?.....yeah right! . And yes, I'm concerned with Obama's ties with Islam and his sketchy past. McCain may not be perfect, but IMO he's a huge improvement over the alternative....
Terrorism is a relatively new word, but it is describing a tactic that is as old as strife itself. Very nearly every nation has used it at one time or another by it's current definition. The actions of the predominately catholic IRA against British rule used terrorism almost exclusively in the later years. Nelson Mandela employed terrorists tactics against apartheid. The Jewish "Stern Gang" used terrorists tactics against the British prior to the creation of Israel. As the Boston Tea Party involved merchant shipping and not military vessels, the Boston Tea Party can be considered an act of terrorism. Bombing abortion clinics are terrorist acts. It's a tactic, not an identity, and it doesn't play favorites. The fact that terrorism is the current flavor of machination for islamic terrorists does not make it their's alone.

Obama professes himself to be a Christian. "Ties" to Islam through his father don't bother me in the least.
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post #107 of 269
6/28/08 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post

I'll go you one better, I think there is a chance he may be the Anti-Christ, or at the very least, one of his right-hand men.

I am going with my gut and I have a really, really bad gut feeling about him.
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There's actually a shirt out there with Obama as the anti-Christ. PM if you want the link...the site contains some...not family friendly shirts. I'm really thinking of getting it, especially with the Democratic National Convention coming here. I always did like offending people who needed offending.
Wow. I find it kind of shocking that one of you might actually believe it and the other would use that idea to offend someone on purpose.

I don't like Obama either, but calling him the antichrist?
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post #108 of 269
6/28/08 at 11:44am
That's really bizarre. Shades of The Omen
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post #109 of 269
6/28/08 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
I realize not all Muslims are terrorists...but it seems to me that ALL terrorists are Muslims.
All of the recent acts of terror against the U.S. have been Muslims, that's true, but Skip put that in pretty good perspective. I think you could generalize in saying that any person or group that uses illegal means and/or force in order to harm another group are terrorists. There have been so many, and there are so many. Basque seperatists, Tamil Tigers, Chechen rebels, Black Panthers, IRA, SLA, IRS (oops, they use legal means to harm others, so I guess they're not strictly terrorists)
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post #110 of 269
6/28/08 at 11:52am
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That's really bizarre. Shades of The Omen
hey, i had a friend who said he thought Bush might be the anti-Christ - because his 1st three names all have 6 letters, plus, as a serviceman, he was rescued by helicopter from the ocean! not too confident in that theory, tho...
scriptural reference: Revelation 13:1
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post #111 of 269
6/28/08 at 11:53am
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All of the recent acts of terror against the U.S. have been Muslims, that's true, but Skip put that in pretty good perspective. I think you could generalize in saying that any person or group that uses illegal means and/or force in order to harm another group are terrorists. There have been so many, and there are so many. Basque seperatists, Tamil Tigers, Chechen rebels, Black Panthers, IRA, SLA, IRS (oops, they use legal means to harm others, so I guess they're not strictly terrorists)
remember the Inquisition?
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post #112 of 269
6/28/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
His voting record in the Senate is atrocious, when you vote "Present" because you can't make up your mind to vote "yes" or "no" on something, that is pretty pathetic.
I have mixed feelings about his "present" votes in the Illinois Senate, but I certainly don't believe they were cast because he couldn't make up his mind, but because he's a very cool and ambitious tactician. The question is whether that's a positive or negative attribute in a wannabe president. If he were elected, would he be vetoing bills left and right? It would be great to see a lot of "pork" eliminated, but I can think of several laws that are in need of revision, and a "naysayer" as president could slow down the process.


It's Not Just 'Ayes' and 'Nays'
'Present' Perfect
The Ever-'Present' Obama

(Emphasis added to clarify that there's a need to distinguish between voting procedures in the Illinois Senate, and the U.S. Senate. Cindy's comment obviously refers to the former.)
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post #113 of 269
6/28/08 at 2:39pm
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hey, i had a friend who said he thought Bush might be the anti-Christ - because his 1st three names all have 6 letters, plus, as a serviceman, he was rescued by helicopter from the ocean! not too confident in that theory, tho...
scriptural reference: Revelation 13:1

Since when are there 6 letters in 'Bush'??
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post #114 of 269
6/28/08 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
Since when are there 6 letters in 'Bush'??
George Herbert Walker Bush. like i said, i don't place much credence in the theory - because Herbert doesn't have 6 letters, either!
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post #115 of 269
6/28/08 at 3:10pm
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George Herbert Walker Bush. like i said, i don't place much credence in the theory - because Herbert doesn't have 6 letters, either!
That's the father, not our present incumbent. Can "Antichrist status" be passed on to heirs? It rather freaks me out that some people spend the time and effort to try to "prove" such weird theories using something as obscure as numerology. It really is mind-boggling.
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post #116 of 269
6/28/08 at 3:18pm
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That's the father, not our present incumbent. Can "Antichrist status" be passed on to heirs? It rather freaks me out that some people spend the time and effort to try to "prove" such weird theories using something as obscure as numerology. It really is mind-boggling.
You mean like "Anti the Younger", "Son of Anti" or even; "Anti Junior"?
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post #117 of 269
6/28/08 at 3:36pm
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That's the father, not our present incumbent. Can "Antichrist status" be passed on to heirs? It rather freaks me out that some people spend the time and effort to try to "prove" such weird theories using something as obscure as numerology. It really is mind-boggling.
well, keep in mind this was quite a few years ago...

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You mean like "Anti the Younger", "Son of Anti" or even; "Anti Junior"?
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post #118 of 269
6/28/08 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
You mean like "Anti the Younger", "Son of Anti" or even; "Anti Junior"?
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well, keep in mind this was quite a few years ago...

I've never liked GWB, but wouldn't it be a bit simpler and more logical to think he has some sort of drive to prove to his father that he's "as good as, or better than, his brother Jeb", and that "maybe" his actions that have undermined the international goodwill his father put so much emphasis on were acts of rebellion against a father who he feels, at least subconsciously, always underrated him?

I obviously don't "get" the Antichrist stuff, but that's my problem (or lack thereof).
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post #119 of 269
6/28/08 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
You mean like "Anti the Younger", "Son of Anti" or even; "Anti Junior"?


Your points about other terrorist groups was precisely my point. Timothy McVey and the Unabomber could be considered terrorists as well. The KKK, skinheads and neonazis are terrorists. I was in London once when the IRA blew something up. So anyone with Irish names should be suspected as having ties with Sein Finn?
I still don't know how anyone makes a leap from having a father who was a muslim and not part of your upbringing means ties to Islamic terrorists. His father was obviously a lapsed muslim because he didn't marry a traditional woman in a burka.
If you don't like him because of his policies then cool that makes sense but some things veer into right wing fear mongering.
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post #120 of 269
6/28/08 at 4:37pm
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If you don't like him because of his policies then cool that makes sense but some things veer into right wing fear mongering.
Excellent point! Not to say there isn't such a thing as left-wing fear mongering, and, interestingly enough, McCain also has to deal the right-wing variety.
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