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post #241 of 269
7/8/08 at 9:30am
I guess I don't really have a label I like for myself.
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post #242 of 269
7/8/08 at 9:58am
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I guess I don't really have a label I like for myself.
Me neither. I'm way too liberal to call myself a Democrat.
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post #243 of 269
7/8/08 at 9:59am
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I'm voting for Ellen DeGeneres.

I hope she doesn't mind
I'm voting Christopher Walken.







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post #244 of 269
7/8/08 at 6:58pm
Ohhhh - but he's a murderer, you know! (apparently)
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post #245 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:15pm
It's not nice to spread rumors about someone. No one was ever charged with Natalie Wood's death. I believe it was ruled an accidental drowning and I think that is what it was.
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post #246 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:18pm
I'm not spreading rumours. If I didn't have to explain myself and you knew already what I was talking about, then I'd consider that any rumours have already been spread, wouldn't you?

Besides, I was mucking around. I like Christopher Walken, he cracks me up.
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post #247 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:24pm
Whatever you say, far be from me to argue with someone on the verge of giving birth. I don't want to upset you kiddo.
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post #248 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:31pm
Impossible - since I've been put under doctor's orders to `stop doing too much' (this happened yesterday - and Max was with me so there is no opportunity for disobedience) I am just so bored that it's improved my mood. If that makes sense.

Sorry mods - will stop now!
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post #249 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:33pm
Can I vote for Stewie Griffin?
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post #250 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:35pm
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Can I vote for Stewie Griffin?
You have my permission! I don't know how far that will actually get you, but you've got it just the same
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post #251 of 269
7/8/08 at 7:37pm
Oh goodness no - we don't need a misogynistic, murderous, narcissistic toddler bent on global domination running the US. Especially if he is one that doesn't like spicy foods.
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post #252 of 269
7/8/08 at 9:07pm
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Me neither. I'm way too liberal to call myself a Democrat.
This is something curious I've noted while listening to politicians from both sides. I think the two parties are switching. The Republicans are taking positions that aren't representative of traditional Republican positions; in some respects - ie the "big government" model - they're now more like Democrats. And Democrats are talking some oddly conservative talk these days - ie Obama's "faith-based" policies, balanced budgets, tax relief - and these are just a couple examples of things I've been noticing.
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post #253 of 269
7/9/08 at 8:31am
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This is something curious I've noted while listening to politicians from both sides. I think the two parties are switching. The Republicans are taking positions that aren't representative of traditional Republican positions; in some respects - ie the "big government" model - they're now more like Democrats. And Democrats are talking some oddly conservative talk these days - ie Obama's "faith-based" policies, balanced budgets, tax relief - and these are just a couple examples of things I've been noticing.
I know it. This is why I said I am becoming more left because it is really what used to be the Republican stance that I liked. But these two have flip flopped on each other before. WE need some other parties or something.
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post #254 of 269
7/9/08 at 9:06am
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This is something curious I've noted while listening to politicians from both sides. I think the two parties are switching. The Republicans are taking positions that aren't representative of traditional Republican positions; in some respects - ie the "big government" model - they're now more like Democrats. And Democrats are talking some oddly conservative talk these days - ie Obama's "faith-based" policies, balanced budgets, tax relief - and these are just a couple examples of things I've been noticing.
Well, in my case I'm too liberal for an old-school Democratic party, too. But I do definitely see where you are coming from on that. Most people no longer align themselves wholly with a party; conservatives/libertarian-leaning people don't recognize the Republican party that the neo-cons have wrought. Democrats, the ones who've been elected, are more middle-of-the-road than ever (excluding those like my rep Kucinich).
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post #255 of 269
7/9/08 at 10:13am
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I think in this election they are just saying whatever they think the audience (at the time) wants to hear, and then the other one disagrees.

McCain, being a moderate to start with, has a more difficult time definiting his philosophy. Obama knows his views won't resonate with the majority (i.e. he's WAY more liberal than he's letting on, based on his past statements, voting record, etc.), so he's trying to go more centrist for the campaign. Biggest problem is that it really means that none of us voters will really know where in the heck the candidates actually do stand on important issues because they are too busy courting whoever they are speaking to at the moment.
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post #256 of 269
7/9/08 at 7:37pm
I think we put too much stock in where candidates stand on issues, anyway. Things always change after they're elected. Different issues rise to the top of the priority list. I don't want to hear so much what a candidate wants to accomplish if elected, because there's such a poor track record of that. What I really want to hear is what he'd do IF .... if Iran lobbed a nuke at Israel; if the Pakistani army overthrows Musharref; if the Arabs embargo oil; if there's a major earthquake on the West Coast; if there's a run on the banks; if al Quaida sets off a dirty bomb in St. Louis; .... and on and on. It's events that drive a presidency, and it's how the President reacts to those unexpected events that define his real positions, because when it gets down to making those real decisions that affect the fate of the country, what he said he wanted to accomplish is going to be forgotten.
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post #257 of 269
7/10/08 at 10:21am
Both of these candidates are flawed, but Obama is dangerous. He is the most radically leftist candidate to run for the presidency.

I'm amazed and disheartened that he's gotten this far. Associations with racist black liberation theologians, (and a wife who has clearly bought into this "theology"), former and unrepentent domestic terrorists, shady real estate deals, references to "typical white people" and "white man's greed", as well as snobby references to people "who cling to their guns and religion",a dismal stint in the Senate (all of about 140 days long, most of it having been spent campaigning), ineffectiveness and lack of accomplishment in his home district as a "community organizer," so much equivocating and opinion reversal his supporters are said to have "whiplash"... does anyone know what his foreign policy actually is? and did I mention higher taxes for all (*not* just the rich) and military cuts?

As Clinton was the "teflon" president this guy is certainly the "teflon" candidate. It doesn't matter what he does, what he says, who he associates with. All of it is explained away or simply dismissed.

He has nothing good to say about America. Not one thing. Americans need "change" because we're so lousy. We eat too much, drive too much, use up too much energy - and darn it, why don't we all speak another language like our friends in Europe do? We're a downtrodden, unenlightened, hopeless mess that he will lift out of misery as only he can...

In recognition of his exalted status, Obama has had his own Presidential Seal designed, strikingly close to the real Presidential seal, that is now affixed to podiums when he speaks. He makes sure to have lots of US flags visible near that podium now too. And accepting the Democrat nomination at just an ordinary convention center won't do for the messiah, um, I mean Obama. Nope, he's got to have the Denver Stadium so that the folks at home can see the tens of thousands of adoring, misguided fans who love him so.

What an elitist, arrogant bag of wind, and a marxist to boot.

BTW, I'll be voting for John McCain.
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post #258 of 269
7/10/08 at 10:28am
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Both of these candidates are flawed, but Obama is dangerous. He is the most radically leftist candidate to run for the presidency.

I'm amazed and disheartened that he's gotten this far. Associations with racist black liberation theologians, (and a wife who has clearly bought into this "theology"), former and unrepentent domestic terrorists, shady real estate deals, references to "typical white people" and "white man's greed", as well as snobby references to people "who cling to their guns and religion",a dismal stint in the Senate (all of about 140 days long, most of it having been spent campaigning), ineffectiveness and lack of accomplishment in his home district as a "community organizer," so much equivocating and opinion reversal his supporters are said to have "whiplash"... does anyone know what his foreign policy actually is? and did I mention higher taxes for all (*not* just the rich) and military cuts?

As Clinton was the "teflon president" this guy is certainly the "teflon candidate". It doesn't matter what he does, what he says, who he associates with. All of it is explained away or simply dismissed.

He has nothing good to say about America. Not one thing. Americans need "change" because we're so lousy. We eat too much, drive too much, use up too much energy - and darn it, why don't we all speak another language like our friends in Europe do? We're a downtrodden, unenlightened, hopeless mess that he will lift out of misery as only he can...

In recognition of his exalted status, Obama has had his own Presidential Seal designed, strikingly close to the real Presidential seal, that is now affixed to podiums when he speaks. He makes sure to have lots of US flags visible near that podium now too. And accepting the Democrat nomination at just an ordinary convention center won't do for the messiah, um, I mean Obama. Nope, he's got to have the Denver Stadium so that the folks at home can see the tens of thousands of adoring, empty-headed fans who love him so.

What an elitist, arrogant bag of wind, and a marxist to boot.

BTW, I'll be voting for John McCain.
I agree with you 100%.
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post #259 of 269
7/10/08 at 10:38am
KTLynn, you forgot about the very real possibility that Obama is the Anti-Christ.
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post #260 of 269
7/10/08 at 10:42am
If I knew how to make a signature, this would be mine.



"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world, I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.

---Barack Obama
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post #261 of 269
7/10/08 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
I think in this election they are just saying whatever they think the audience (at the time) wants to hear, and then the other one disagrees.

McCain, being a moderate to start with, has a more difficult time definiting his philosophy. Obama knows his views won't resonate with the majority (i.e. he's WAY more liberal than he's letting on, based on his past statements, voting record, etc.), so he's trying to go more centrist for the campaign. Biggest problem is that it really means that none of us voters will really know where in the heck the candidates actually do stand on important issues because they are too busy courting whoever they are speaking to at the moment.
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Both of these candidates are flawed, but Obama is dangerous. He is the most radically leftist candidate to run for the presidency.
Actually, I think Heidi got it right. He's going centrist, and may lose votes because of his move to the middle of the road.

Obama's Ideology Proving Difficult to Pinpoint
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post #262 of 269
7/10/08 at 11:20am
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Did y'all hear what Jesse Jackson said about Obama?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...w.foxnews.com/

(it's a video stream, it was all over YouTube last night, but since it happened on Fox News, they are the only ones with legal rights to the snippet. The actual faux paux is less than 15 seconds into the video clip...you don't have to watch Gretta babble on after that...)

And this is one of his supporters! Of course, Jesse apologized today and says he supports Obama, but my goodness - how do you apologize for saying you want to castrate him?

And yeah, then there's Obama saying that we shouldn't worry about immigrants learning English, but if we can teach our children Spanish. Um, huh? That isn't an answer to illegal immigration!
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post #263 of 269
7/10/08 at 12:08pm
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KTLynn, you forgot about the very real possibility that Obama is the Anti-Christ.
I didn't specifically write that, but if you read between the lines, it's in there...
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post #264 of 269
7/10/08 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
If I knew how to make a signature, this would be mine.



"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world, I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.

---Barack Obama

I love it!!! Much better than "The Audacity of Hype"!
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post #265 of 269
7/10/08 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Did y'all hear what Jesse Jackson said about Obama?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...w.foxnews.com/

(it's a video stream, it was all over YouTube last night, but since it happened on Fox News, they are the only ones with legal rights to the snippet. The actual faux paux is less than 15 seconds into the video clip...you don't have to watch Gretta babble on after that...)

And this is one of his supporters! Of course, Jesse apologized today and says he supports Obama, but my goodness - how do you apologize for saying you want to castrate him?
I know! Talk about foot in mouth!!!
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post #266 of 269
7/10/08 at 1:04pm
It doesn't surprise me in the least what Jesse Jackson said about Obama.
I knew immediately exactly what he was alluding to, Obama's Fathers Day Speech. He said exactly the same thing Bill Cosby has been saying for years.
People like Jesse Jackson don't like people to tell them to be responsible and that they need to take personal responsibility.

Wow, what a concept.
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post #267 of 269
7/10/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world, I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.

---Barack Obama
For the last eight years we've been calling a statement like that a "Bushism." Ya spose that's where Obama learned it from?
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post #268 of 269
7/10/08 at 7:15pm
How about a conspiracy theory.

It may have been planned. Jackson is disliked by a lot of people, and he knows it. Perhaps he felt that the very best endorsement he can give someone is to put them on his hit list.

I mean, let's face it...Jackson is not an "interview rookie", he knows when he's wearing a hot microphone.
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post #269 of 269
7/10/08 at 8:40pm
That may be true, but people make mistakes. When I was a young kid my first career was in radio, and despite even having control of the microphone, there were times when something I said went out over the air when it wasn't intended.
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