Originally Posted by ckblv
I bet I could go in a "public building" and talk about the Holy Bible. To say I couldn't is just not true, IMO.
So, you are painting all "Evangelicals" with that broad brush? I have no reason to "squash" anyones religious beliefs at all. There are
many people in this country that would like nothing better than to remove anything remotely associated with Christianity, to say that isn't true is ridiculous to me. We see it constantly. But that has been debated over and over again here and is getting tiresome. It will come up again this Christmas.
You seem to have an axe to grind against "Evangelicals", do you?
There are segments of all religous persuasion that "come across" as "rude, nasty, bigoted hypocrites", why single out the Evangelicals?
Sooo, Christians aren't Christian if they "sue"?
I think you can go into a public place and talk about the Bible. That was my point to GK45.
However I don't think you could set up a soapbox in a public park, start spewing Biblical quotes and telling park goers they will end up in Hell if they don't listen to your rantings and get away with it. The police would be called and the person would be taken away for disorderly conduct. That is forcing ones religion on others.
You say you have no reason to squash anyones religious beliefs at all, and yet if I go back through all your posts in the religious threads, those that haven't been pulled at least, I would be able to find many statement of yours which are doing just that. This is the point, you don't even realize how intolerant, offensive and hateful you are being. When it is pointed out to you, then everyone is "Christian bashing".
My point is talking about religion and purposely harassing people with religion are two different things. What these Evangelical preachers were trying to do was harass Muslims, that is quite evident.
Actually of the dozens of Evangelicals that I personally know, there are only three, that I would describe as truly kind and non-judgmental. They will pray for people whose souls they believe are in jeopardy, but would never think to tell them they were going to hell.
In my experience, compared to other religions the Evangelicals are the most abrasive, intolerant group as a whole, I have ever had to associate with. They are the most in your face, purposely hurtful and hateful group if they come up across someone who does not follow their beliefs. It is the intolerance that makes me disgusted with Evangelicals. Evangelicals don't seem to be able to allow others their beliefs, including other Christian religions.
I have had experiences similar to JCat's. I had a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who used to come to my home ( despite a no soliciting sign). These two women were very kind. I actually had them bring their bibles a couple times and honestly listened. Despite this not being my cup of tea they still kindly stopped by and dropped off the newest issue of The Watchtower. I respected them for their devotion and they were not demeaning or degrading to me because I chose not to follow their same beliefs. They were able to practice their religion, which requires they go door to door, and still accept that not everyone follows their same faith.
Yes there are people who want to erase all Christianity from public places. I believe this is because of the pushing of the Evangelicals. I was alive before the "born again" revolution. People didn't contest Christian symbols then and the Christian faiths were allowed many privileges that were not really following the rules, like Christmas pageants in public schools.
However once the Born Again Evangelicals starting on a roll, they decided that Halloween was too offensive and there could be no ghost, witch or devil costumes in school Halloween parties. Then there should be no Halloween at all because it was a Pagan celebration. Then it was children should be able to pray in public schools. They just started pushing and shoving and trying to make sure everything in society followed their beliefs.
Well this got them a backlash. If there is no Halloween allowed, then there is no Christmas allowed. Fair is fair. The Evangelicals pushed too hard and now they are suffering the consequences of their actions and all Christian religions are getting the repercussions.
In this country you must accommodate all or none. Many different religions have festivals and significant events around the same dates as Christmas. Thus the Happy Holidays to include everyone. The Evangelicals can't stand this, they think it should be only Christmas and Christmas should be on full display in everyones faces.
Yes, Christmas trees are Christmas trees and I don't think they should be called anything else. However then as Christmas Trees are purely religious symbols one has no place on the White House lawn. Just because it has been done in the past doesn't mean it is right and should continue in the future. Especially when it is used as an argument to further insinuate Christianity as the governing rules of this country.
As to the suing comment. Christians can sue all they want. Anyone should sue if they have been truly harmed by unfair practices. However in this particular case these Evangelical preachers are crying foul and wanting to sue when they were not even harmed. What they were proposing to do certainly would have incited religious violence. There is no way they could not know this. The threat to sue is a money and media grabbing manipulative ploy on their parts that just puts the whole situation over the top. Ick!
I stand by my statement...how very un-Christian of them in the context of this particular situation.