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post #91 of 109
Oh come on Bruce. If it's me, you'll disagree won't you?

Isn't that one of the irrefutable laws of the universe??
post #92 of 109
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
i have magic power, the enables me to counter post , before you finish your post? see magic

or it looks looks like,yours got posted twice.
however the first one sounds more fun
That's what I get for letting Nova sit on my keyboard! I didn't know I had double-posted. Sorry!
post #93 of 109
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Oh come on Bruce. If it's me, you'll disagree won't you?

Isn't that one of the irrefutable laws of the universe??
hmm depends on if i had my coffee yet or not
before the coffee i would fight over if the sky was blue or not
post #94 of 109
Today it's gray.
post #95 of 109
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yes but like I said - you and I both know that the KKK is a racist organisation (I wasn't arguing that point with you) and some things just ARE no matter what the perspective is. Someone from the KKK could come up with the best reasons the world has ever heard to state that their organisation is not racist - but that wouldn't change the fact that it is.

I'm just saying, to elaborate on your own argument, that there are always going to be people who don't see it that way (namely, members of the KKK) so according to their perspective we are all wrong.

You could use Bush as an example of this. Most people feel about him the way you feel about the KKK. In this case you are in a minority, because you don't feel that way. Your minority view on Bush is much the same as the minority view of the KKK. It's wrong, but it's your view, so it's right to you.
Just to add a little bit, the Nation of Islam is a religious organization, one of whose tenets is black separatism. The sole purpose of it isn't hating on whitey, that's just part of it. The KKK has no other purpose than being racist/ bigoted/ etc. The KKK does not deny being racist, however, they defend it. They'll give you some crap about God not wanting the races to mix.
post #96 of 109
Another note on the Nation of Islam and Obama. It makes no sense that he would be a member nor does it make sense that he would have operatives in his campaign. He is a Christian.
People who are followers of the Nation of Islam change their last names because of the connection to white slave owners of the past. African Americans get their last names from the Plantation owners. So a person deeply entrenched in NOI would not have the last names of those supposed staff members.
Calling Barack Hussein all of the time has no effect on what I think of him. If I judged everyone by their name and not as individuals then I would not have many friends. So his middle name is Hussein. It means nothing.
His father was a Muslim that had very little to do with his upbringing. I don't care if his father was a Muslim. It has nothing to do with anything.
People on the left are not going to be effected by that in the least. They find that argument as proof that the right is full of intolerant bigots. Obviously there are many people who don't think his name matters or he would not have won the primary.
Southern Poverty Law Center lists Nation of Islam as a hate group and they are. There are many African Americans, in fact the majority think that they are crackpots. They are more popular in Northern cities than in the south or the west. Louis Farrakhan had a moment where he seemed important and he probably spoke to African American anger but once people find out more about them they distance themselves. His alleged ties to the assassination of Malcolm X put him in disfavor with the African American community.
When Ronald Reagan ran for office he got the endorsement of the KKK and opened his 1980 campaign in the town where the KKK were founded. That does not mean he was a member. Then there was the period when David Duke became a national figure. He had a moment in the sun and then people did their research and dismissed him as an extremist whacko.
People on the end of either spectrum will never be in the majority. There will never be a radical leftist in the white house and there will never be a radical right person there either. Most people are in the middle somewhere.

I personally don't think McCain is going to win. He has Bob Dole written all over him. He is the older guy who is not in touch with younger voters who have now become a huge voting block. His stance on the war is an albatross he will have to answer for and the war is extremely unpopular. He is saddled with the worst President in the modern era. High gas prices don't help and the economy is an issue as well. Then you have a Libertarian candidate who will siphon off votes for McCain. McCain will be getting hammered on both sides. Barr is highly critical of the war and the current administration who McCain has allied himself with.
post #97 of 109
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Just to add a little bit, the Nation of Islam is a religious organization, one of whose tenets is black separatism. The sole purpose of it isn't hating on whitey, that's just part of it. The KKK has no other purpose than being racist/ bigoted/ etc. The KKK does not deny being racist, however, they defend it. They'll give you some crap about God not wanting the races to mix.

errr, yea sure they can say they are a religious organzation, But the kkk will tell you they hold religious services also.

soo its ok to have a racist organization , just so i do something else?
then its ok for the KKK, cause in some area of the US they do stuff like food banks. so that makes them ok.
post #98 of 109
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Another note on the Nation of Islam and Obama. It makes no sense that he would be a member nor does it make sense that he would have operatives in his campaign. He is a Christian. .
Well he does, have members of the natation of islam, in his campaign.
he used to be buddy buddy with the n ation and there leader. Until a few months ago, when people found out about it.

then like his church, he dumped them or so he said. Obama is not christian.
IMO, he is just one of the weekend warriors, uses it to get elected.
post #99 of 109
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
Just to add a little bit, the Nation of Islam is a religious organization, one of whose tenets is black separatism. The sole purpose of it isn't hating on whitey, that's just part of it.
So, that makes them better than the KKK? A white or black separatist is someone who believes that their race should live separately from people of other races. I don't understand. How is racial separatism different from racism? I don't see much of a difference, if any, between the two.
post #100 of 109
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Well he does, have members of the natation of islam, in his campaign.
he used to be buddy buddy with the n ation and there leader. Until a few months ago, when people found out about it.

then like his church, he dumped them or so he said. Obama is not christian.
IMO, he is just one of the weekend warriors, uses it to get elected.
I read that Farrakhan said nice things about Obama but not that Obama has embraced their views. You can't stop someone from saying something nice about you.
I am trying to understand what policies you disagree with in particular in regards to Obama. Not flaming just wanting to understand where you are coming from.
post #101 of 109
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
So, that makes them better than the KKK? A white or black separatist is someone who believes that their race should separatley from people of other races. I don't understand. How is racial separatism different from segregation or racism? I don't see much of a difference, if any, between the two.
There isn't. But I get what she is saying. NOI cleaned up drug infested neighborhoods and courted the goodwill of the AA community. Sort of like Hezbollah in Lebanon. Through charity they gained a presence in Lebanon because the needs of certain groups were not being met or they felt they were not being met. It is a gang mentality. They pick the most vulnerable of a group who are already feeling disenfranchised and then take them under their 'wing'.
post #102 of 109
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
I read that Farrakhan said nice things about Obama but not that Obama has embraced their views. You can't stop someone from saying something nice about you.
ok lets take a look.

Jeremiah Wright-anti american, racist. white man invented aids, obama member of his church for over 20 years says,
that is not the wright i know. who went to libya to meet Gaddafi, a terroist and terroist supporter

William Ayers- american born 60's terroist, anti white.

Tony Rezko-Guilty on 16 Counts in Corruption Trial.
once again obama said, that is not the tony i know.

Michelle Obama- his wife sound almost as bad as wright,
anti -american statments, along with tell people education is not important

Louis Farrakhan-about as racist as they come. Obama has called him a great voice for black america.- once the some of the media starting hitting on the friendship,, obama distanced his self from the Nation of islam.who went to libya to meet Gaddafi, a terroist and terroist support

Michael Pfleger- once again, obama said, that is not the michael i know..

obama must have 0 ability to judge people.
how many times do you give him a pass, well that is not the guy i know. I really dont want to hear one days,
sorry that is not Ahmadinejad i know. *after a nuke blows up isreal or the some city in the us.

IMO obama is lying about his views to the american people. I find it hard to believe that he would have this many anti american , racist people and not know it. People tend to hang out with other people who tend to hold the same vaules and views on things. ON one yea i would give him a pass, not this many

there are many statments that upset me,
I will sit down and talk with terroist groups.
his voting recored and sometimes the lack there of. the fact he does not seem to know his own family history, his typical white person comment. his stance on the defensive of this county.his list of social programs will increase my tax at least 15% if not more. His feel gulity for being american, makes me want to vomit. etc etc etc etc really the list goes on and on and on.
bottom line is, no white, asian, Hispanic could get the free pass he has been getting.

that is just the start what i cant stand about him.
WE can get into some of the staff he has talked about. many of whom are
Terrorist Sympathizer. sorry i cant stomach the man at all
post #103 of 109
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
There isn't. But I get what she is saying. NOI cleaned up drug infested neighborhoods and courted the goodwill of the AA community. .
Hitler did alot of good things for germany at the start..
but i do not think he gets a pass cause of the good things

just cause they do some good, it does not off set the bad.
post #104 of 109
I don't say that they deserve a pass. I am stating that as a reason as to why some people fail to see that they are a hate group.
post #105 of 109
Thread Starter 
Here is an article written by "Vets For Freedom" in the Wall Street Journal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212...n_commentaries


And this man wants to be Commander in Chief?


Be sure to read about McCain's open criticism regarding Iraq.
For people who think McCain is like Bush.

And Harry Reid, he has NEVER been to Iraq but continues to run his mouth on how we have "lost" the war. It will be very interesting to see if Obama has the chutzpah to go to Iraq before the election.
post #106 of 109
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
He is not saying he wants to weaken the military. He wants to cut the wasteful spending on programs that are not proven to be of any value.
Thats a VERY long list, with defense appropriations making up a small part of the total.

I'd rather waste money on defense and cut spending on other, more wasteful programs.
post #107 of 109
Thread Starter 
In Barack's own words on his website.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/commu...p/ObamaHQ/CZsK
post #108 of 109
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Hitler did alot of good things for germany at the start..
That's debatable. There are people, some of them prominent, who claim that Hitler placed a lot of emphasis on family values and the status of women, especially mothers. I have trouble with that one - he wanted to establish his "master race", and needed those "Aryan mothers" as breeders. When the offspring happened to be disabled/gay/"communist", etc., they were "euthanized", i.e., just plain murdered.

And the autobahn? Well, if you're planning blitz attacks on your neighbors, you have to worry about logistics, and a good infrastructure really helps.

No free pass for Hitler or a hatemonger like Farrakhan from me, either.
post #109 of 109
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
ok lets take a look.

Jeremiah Wright-anti american, racist. white man invented aids, obama member of his church for over 20 years says,
that is not the wright i know. who went to libya to meet Gaddafi, a terroist and terroist supporter

William Ayers- american born 60's terroist, anti white.

Tony Rezko-Guilty on 16 Counts in Corruption Trial.
once again obama said, that is not the tony i know.

Michelle Obama- his wife sound almost as bad as wright,
anti -american statments, along with tell people education is not important

Louis Farrakhan-about as racist as they come. Obama has called him a great voice for black america.- once the some of the media starting hitting on the friendship,, obama distanced his self from the Nation of islam.who went to libya to meet Gaddafi, a terroist and terroist support

Michael Pfleger- once again, obama said, that is not the michael i know..

obama must have 0 ability to judge people.
how many times do you give him a pass, well that is not the guy i know. I really dont want to hear one days,
sorry that is not Ahmadinejad i know. *after a nuke blows up isreal or the some city in the us.

IMO obama is lying about his views to the american people. I find it hard to believe that he would have this many anti american , racist people and not know it. People tend to hang out with other people who tend to hold the same vaules and views on things. ON one yea i would give him a pass, not this many

there are many statments that upset me,
I will sit down and talk with terroist groups.
his voting recored and sometimes the lack there of. the fact he does not seem to know his own family history, his typical white person comment. his stance on the defensive of this county.his list of social programs will increase my tax at least 15% if not more. His feel gulity for being american, makes me want to vomit. etc etc etc etc really the list goes on and on and on.
bottom line is, no white, asian, Hispanic could get the free pass he has been getting.

that is just the start what i cant stand about him.
WE can get into some of the staff he has talked about. many of whom are
Terrorist Sympathizer. sorry i cant stomach the man at all

Well said Bruce!
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