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post #1 of 109
5/31/08 at 3:18pm
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Obama vows to disarm America.

http://www.cnsnews.com/viewpolitics....20080304d.html


Click on videoin the link, not here.


I am so upset, I feel sick to my stomach. This man scares me to death.
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post #2 of 109
5/31/08 at 3:29pm
You seem to forget that Congress is full of people who will do anything to preserve the defense jobs in their states.

You had no problems with Bush making the Presidency more powerful and this is why there needs to be oversight in the government.

If Obama gets away with everything you are afraid of, you can thank Bush for his consolidation of power in the Presidency.
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post #3 of 109
5/31/08 at 3:34pm
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Oh, of course it will be Bush's fault that Obama disarms the military and weakens our defense to the bone.

And executive power has always waxed and waned from what I remember of my history.

But THIS thread is about Barak wanting to disarm our military.
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post #4 of 109
5/31/08 at 3:49pm
I don't believe that he is saying that he is going to disarm the US and leave it vulnerable. There are billions of dollars going to programs that for planes that have never flown a sortie or will fly one in any conflict we are involved in. The space missile program is pretty much useless and and a waste of dollars.

As I said before, Congress is protecting defense programs that won't be going away.
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post #5 of 109
5/31/08 at 6:42pm
If he gets in the White House and does all this, we will see WORSE then 9/11 in our country!
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post #6 of 109
5/31/08 at 6:45pm
he wont win i can not think americans are that dumb
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post #7 of 109
5/31/08 at 6:49pm
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he wont win i can not think americans are that dumb
I wouldn't underestimate anyone's "dumbness"...
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post #8 of 109
5/31/08 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
I wouldn't underestimate anyone's "dumbness"...
After all a majority believed Bush's arguments that Saddam was associated with Al Qaeda in spite of all of the evidence against it.
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post #9 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:00pm
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I wouldn't underestimate anyone's "dumbness"...

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
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post #10 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:00pm
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We went into Iraq because of all the intelligence that everyone believe, Dems and Repubs alike that he had WMD. Congress did vote on it, don't forget that.

But that has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama wanting to disarm our military and that IS what he is saying in the YouTube video of his

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

an easier link to the video of Obama wanting to disarm our military.
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post #11 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
After all a majority believed Bush's arguments that Saddam was associated with Al Qaeda in spite of all of the evidence against it.
I thought the whole idea was a war on terror.
Saddam supported, Terror groups. paid for Suicide bombers.
Was still in volition of the UN.
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post #12 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:07pm
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They forget that Bruce. Besides it a good diversion away from Barak's own words wanting to make this country defenseless.
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post #13 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
We went into Iraq because of all the intelligence that everyone believe, Dems and Repubs alike that he had WMD. Congress did vote on it, don't forget that.

But that has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama wanting to disarm our military and that IS what he is saying in the YouTube video of his

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

an easier link to the video of Obama wanting to disarm our military.
I think predicting Armagheddon is overreacting. You would never blame 9/11 on Bush being in office so who is to say another attack occurring soon after the election could be blamed on the new administration.

The WMD argument wasn't never strong enough for the international community so we had to go in alone. I am just as disappointed in the Democrats for not questioning Bush's motives as I am for the Republicans for blindly following.

Bush has put this country at more risk by weakening the Armed forces with repeated tours of duty in Iraq. I don't feel safer because of going into Iraq. It was a diversion from the true problem in Afghanistan where we are losing coalition support and Al Qaeda and the Taliban are gaining power.
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post #14 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:32pm
I'm interested in something. And this isn't just about this thread but pretty much a generic question. When people see something like this, that scares them, do they just come here and post the first news link they can find or do they spend a few hours first, familiarising themselves with the story, what was actually said, the context in which it was said, and think through it thoroughly and with a view to all of the arguments?

Or do they just panic and go `the sky is falling!!! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!'

I hardly believe Barack Obama wants to `disarm America'. That is preposterous and defies any logical credibility, and certainly it is not what he's saying in that article. Seems to me he's talking about cutting spending on things that are wasting your country money. Surely, anyone who wants to be informed would do a bit of research, first?

On another note, it interests me that the US is refusing to rule out the further use of cluster bombs, unlike 111 countries who have just signed that landmark treaty. The only other nations who have similarly refused are Russia, China, Israel, India and Pakistan.

Seems you have more in common with these countries than you'd like to believe.
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post #15 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:35pm
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but it sure isn't my post that you quoted.

Alone, are you kidding me? Psssst, we didn't "go in alone".


Spin it, divert it, do what you want, it is Barak Obama in the flesh in his own words on the video wanting to weaken the military and no one can say he didn't say it.
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post #16 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:39pm
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The sky will be falling if Barak Hussein Obama gets elected, you can count on it. The "context" was pretty clear to me, the man wants to weaken us, pretty clear to me.

And yes Sarah, I am familiar with the cowardice of Barak. "What was actually said", good grief I listened to the video of HIM about 10 times, yes I know what he actually said.
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post #17 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:40pm
He is not saying he wants to weaken the military. He wants to cut the wasteful spending on programs that are not proven to be of any value.

Or do you feel safer when we throw money at the defense contractors for planes we will never use because they were developed to fight the Soviets? For a space missile that can't find a target unless it is specifically launched in a test?
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post #18 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:41pm
And what I'm asking is - is that the only source you listened to? And because it fit in with your agenda, you decided to run with it. Or did you (gasp) actually try and find something else, as well, that didn't make it look so bad, so that you could form a balanced and informed opinion?

And another thing, if Barack Obama's middle name happened to be George, would you throw it about so much in such a transparent attempt to align him with something he has no alignment with?
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post #19 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
He is not saying he wants to weaken the military. He wants to cut the wasteful spending on programs that are not proven to be of any value.

Or do you feel safer when we throw money at the defense contractors for planes we will never use because they were developed to fight the Soviets? For a space missile that can't find a target unless it is specifically launched in a test?
That's how I interpreted it, too. I think that when people are looking for any way possible to discredit someone, their judgement can be buried under their bias.

I bet if Dubya were to come out and say this, he would be lauded for being forward-thinking, praised for wanting to cut unnecessary spending, and applauded for looking out for America's interests.
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post #20 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:56pm
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Now, now Sarah, you are being condescending again.

I read all kinds of things all the time, what are you getting at? And why would I try to find something ELSE, that does not compute.

And Katachig, not every single weapon and plane that gets tested actually goes into combat you know. Some don't work out, that is no one's fault.

Oh please he said much more than wanting to cut wasteful spending.

How about, "I will slow our development of future combat systems",

How the heck do we stay the #1 military power in the world by doing that?
I would really like to know.

"I will not weaponize space" another gem. His goal will be "a world without nuclear weapons" oh, now that is rich, like that will ever happen because it won't.
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post #21 of 109
5/31/08 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
That's how I interpreted it, too. I think that when people are looking for any way possible to discredit someone, their judgement can be buried under their bias.

I bet if Dubya were to come out and say this, he would be lauded for being forward-thinking, praised for wanting to cut unnecessary spending, and applauded for looking out for America's interests.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, not by me he wouldn't.

I don't have to try to discredit him, he does a fine job all by himself.
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post #22 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:02pm
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His goal will be "a world without nuclear weapons" oh, now that is rich, like that will ever happen because it won't.
No, it won't ever happen until forward-thinking people with an eye to the future set the motions in place to make it happen.

Many people I'm sure never thought that black people would stop being enslaved, that women would get the vote, that gay marriage would be legalised, that the world would band together to sign treaties that stop the use of dreadful weapons such as cluster bombs (oh yeah - except the US).

My favourite quote of all time is `All that is necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing'.

Nuclear weaponry is evil. It should be eradicated. If some people think that's too hard, and decide that if you can't beat em, you should join em, then some people can think that. I prefer not to underestimate the power of humanity. Anything can be achieved if we go about it the right way.

That may initially be contrary to the norm, and shocking to many. But there is no great change without great change to the way we think as well. And you have to start somewhere.

Because, to be honest, US foreign and military policy to date hasn't really got us very far, has it? I wouldn't exactly call it an overwhelming success.
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post #23 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:11pm
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I can safely and unequivocally say that nuclear weapons will NEVER, EVER go away. For one single reason, no country will ever trust the others to get rid of theirs. You know I am right on this one Sarah. There is no utopia. It doesn't exist and never will. We are human and very barbaric, we have only one chance for redemption and even HE knows how pathetic we are.
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post #24 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:23pm
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"Because, to be honest, US foreign and military policy to date hasn't really got us very far, has it? I wouldn't exactly call it an overwhelming success."

I, respectfully, disagree, I think we have done a fine job. I think if it weren't for all of our help Israel wouldn't be nearly as safe as it is. To cite one example.

Our help in WWII surely helped many, many countries. How soon we forget all the good this country has done.
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post #25 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:23pm
I agree that there is no utopia - certainly, I don't think that's achievable for many reasons including what you say about trust. But I will always believe that lasting and significant change for the better can be achieved. It happens all the time. If more people were open to change then change would have more of a chance to succeed.

Jeesh, now I sound like one of his campaigners. Lol.

However, independently of any politician who campaigns for change (and our own prime minister did, very strongly, in his election build-up - and has done some pretty remarkable things since then, I might add) I believe that it can and does and will happen.

All it takes is for the people who aren't afraid of it to be given the opportunity. I think Hillary would take the same opportunity if she won the nomination. Change is desperately needed in America. I don't think McCain would change much though, sadly. I think it would be more of the same, only just scaled down a little.
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post #26 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:26pm
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And Katachig, not every single weapon and plane that gets tested actually goes into combat you know. Some don't work out, that is no one's fault.
No one's fault? that we have spent $60 billion over the years on the F22 (which are $300 Million each) and it will never fight a sortie in Iraq or Afghanistan.

We spend more money on defense than all other countries combined but we can't provide the right equipment to the people in our current wars.

The true problem is with Congress and there is way too much waste. I don't see Obama getting anywhere close to realizing these statements. But if he can get some of the wasteful spending out of the defense budget it will do the country some good.
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post #27 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:27pm
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And how much help was Australia in freeing countries from the Nazi's in WWII?
Do you think Australia could have been so instrumental in winning WWII as we were?

McCain is far, far different than Bush. Anyone who says otherwise cannot know much about either man.
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post #28 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:29pm
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No one's fault? that we have spent $60 billion over the years on the F22 (which are $300 Million each) and it will never fight a sortie in Iraq or Afghanistan.

We spend more money on defense than all other countries combined but we can't provide the right equipment to the people in our current wars.

The true problem is with Congress and there is way too much waste. I don't see Obama getting anywhere close to realizing these statements. But if he can get some of the wasteful spending out of the defense budget it will do the country some good.
Yes, newer more modern weaponry costs billions. Some don't work out.

Of course we spend more money on defense, I'm glad we do.
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post #29 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:35pm
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And how much help was Australia in freeing countries from the Nazi's in WWII?
Do you think Australia could have been so instrumental in winning WWII as we were?

McCain is far, far different than Bush. Anyone who says otherwise cannot know much about either man.
Australia entered the war against Germany in 1939, sending troops to the Middle East in accordance with British strategy. Volunteer Australian soldiers proved to be top-notch, despite the impact of prewar monetary cuts on military preparedness.

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Yes, newer more modern weaponry costs billions. Some don't work out.

Of course we spend more money on defense, I'm glad we do.
This is technology to fight the Cold War which if I remember correctly, is over. And we are still spending money on it.
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post #30 of 109
5/31/08 at 8:37pm
Why is this all about war and nuclear weapons? It is so destructive. These times have to end or it will be the destruction of our planet. I'm tired of hearing about war and bombs it is so negative. When all the countries capable of nuclear power decide to push their power we won't have anything to worry about anymore. We will destroy our planet. How sad.
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