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post #1 of 27
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I am watching it on TV now. It kills me some of them are trying to blame this on the Republicans, give me a break

They are going to throw the voters of Florida and Michigan under the bus, you wait and see.

The way MSNBC is talking the superdelagates cant be penalized (and this is their fault) but the delagates can be penalized. Is that how you all see it?

I believe they make it intentionally complicated so John Q Public can't understand what the heck they are talking about.

What a bunch of hot air, this will go on all day.
post #2 of 27
It's insane.

They've blamed the Republicans, the Super Delegates, the DNC, the appeal process. Clinton's bunch has blamed Obama's bunch, Obama's bunch has blaned Clinton's, the media has kept the pot stirred all day.

Obama's bunch at least spoke out and said seat half regular delegates and no Super Delegates, but since that won't help Clinton as much as she needs, so they want none of that.

Some reporter from CNN just said it best: "My momma told me - follow the rules. That's what needs to happen here."
post #3 of 27
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Personally, I want Hilary to get all the delegates.

Have you seen the NEW pastor that is a "spiritual endorser" of Obama's?
(The spiritual endorser thing was on his website before they pulled it)

Obams sure seems to run with many, many, extremists. Hmmmmm

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05...o-controversy/

This makes how many now?

1. Reverend Wright
2. William Ayres (the American terrorist)
3. Louis Farrakhan (illustrious leader of Nation of Islam & famous Caucasion
hater and anti-semite) It doesn't get much better than
Louis)
4. Father Pfleger
post #4 of 27
They are worse than a couple of two year olds fighting over the last cookie.
post #5 of 27
Most of the rules were put in place to solve problems that came up in previous elections. I think they were well-meaning, and designed to ensure a nomination with the least strife. Unfortunately, a series of unfortunate events have conspired to turn all the rules on themselves.

But no one is to blame except those who wrote the rules, so far as I can tell.
post #6 of 27
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Breaking news, Obama is resigning from his church. Imagine that.
post #7 of 27
Well looks like they're going with the half votes.

Still a disaster.
post #8 of 27
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Did you hear that guy of Hilary's, Ickes? Wow, was he ticked off.

And the clincher was, he said Hilary said she "reserves the right to take this to the Credentials Committee" Whatever that means. I guess the Credentials Committee is over the DNC?

I want her to get the nomination, Obama scares me more every day and seeing that YouTube video of him this afternoon wanting to disarm our military gave me a very very sick feeling inside.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
They are worse than a couple of two year olds fighting over the last cookie.
well you know, how them liberals are. They never do really go past the mine mine mine stage. They think they are entitiled to everything.

i think we should start the american party.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Breaking news, Obama is resigning from his church. Imagine that.
you mean you have to sign papers to leave a church now wowow w
really, it would like Osama Bin Laden left Al Qaeda, its a little to late.
BY like 20 y ears.
post #10 of 27
This has almost got me wishing for news coverage of Paris Hilton getting arrested in her front yard again, just for a break from this.

Hasn't Lindsey Lohan ran over anyone recently....something?
post #11 of 27
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This has almost got me wishing for news coverage of Paris Hilton getting arrested in her front yard again, just for a break from this.

Hasn't Lindsey Lohan ran over anyone recently....something?

I have been watching Animal Planet more often lately. Riveting episodes of Groomer Has It and Meerkat Manor have kept me entertained.

I am so over the whole back and forth. The rules were okay when Hillary thought she would win and now that it looks like she can't suddenly she wants to change her mind. Suddenly it is not fair. If she thought it wasn't fair she should have said something when it happened. She has many impressive qualities and she seems like an intelligent woman so I don't understand her poorly run campaign.
post #12 of 27
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But no one is to blame except those who wrote the rules, so far as I can tell.
Actually, I think the problem is the two states refused to follow the rules and held the election early. They were told in advance what would happen and now they are whining because it did.

The change in election dates was made to ensure that every vote would mean something. Otherwise, just have the heavily populated states vote early and get to the necessary number for the nomination.

It's not the voters fault, but the state Democratic parties are at fault.
And I'm not sure what the right to do is - follow the rules and don't count the votes (not fair to the voters) or bend the rules (which sets a bad precedence).
post #13 of 27
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They should not be allowed to have their primaries early PERIOD!

I don't think it is fair to penalize the voters, for the moronic actions of the super delegates.

I noticed one Superdelegate that was undeclared yesterday on TV during the proceeding and she spoke. Her name is Yvonne Atkinson Gates for Las Vegas. I couldn't believe it. Talk about corrupt, she is a former Clark County Commissioner, she retired to, hopefully, avoid ethics violation charges.

How in the world can someone like that be a bleeping Superdelegate?
post #14 of 27
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well you know, how them liberals are. They never do really go past the mine mine mine stage. They think they are entitiled to everything.
I'm a liberal and, yup, that describes me to a T. I'm selfish, never give unto others and want everything I can get my money grubbing hands on. Just ask all my critters.

What is extremely funny to me about this statement is that is exactly what die hard liberals say of the hard right republicans.

Stereotypes are dangerous.
post #15 of 27
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That is Bruce's brand of humor, don't take it personally.
post #16 of 27
Personally, I think the whole "Superdelegates" thing is just stupid. The whole reason is so that if they think the people are too stupid to choose the right person, they can override the will of the people (as long as there is a split vote).

As much as I dislike Obama, he does have the support of the people who voted. Hillary wants to be able to play the system, and it is her right since she would be playing along with the rules (wanting to get the superdelegates to override the will of those who voted for Obama).

Of course, Florida and Michigan didn't think that the race would be going this long. No one did. No one thought Obama was really a viable candidate when they changed the dates. They wanted to vote early for the prestige of being early, and for the influence of being one of the early vote states (like Iowa and New Hampshire).
post #17 of 27
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But, but, I thought I heard that Hilary is winning in the popular vote. Is that wrong?
post #18 of 27
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But, but, I thought I heard that Hilary is winning in the popular vote. Is that wrong?
The way I understand how she figures that is that if you take out the caucus states, and count the voting states, then she has the lead in the popular vote.
post #19 of 27
Caucuses are strange. I went to one in my area this year for the first time this year. There were about 3000 people that showed up, and about 90% of those were for Obama. The last caucus that was done in my area had about 200 people show up. If this were a primary vote, it would have opened up to close to 100,000 people voting.
post #20 of 27
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Well then, I have to agree with Hilary I think. I think it should be voting and forget this caucus baloney.

Is it just me or does this election just seem screwy? At least the Democratic part of the primary anyway. No offense to the Dems here but it just seems so messed up.
post #21 of 27
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Check this out. This old lady from Manhattan was at the Rules Committe Meeting yesterday and she is HOT ***Warning, a little cursing (taking the Lord's name in vain once)

Boy remind me never to make an old lady from Manhattan mad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
post #22 of 27
Especially one that is that racist.
post #23 of 27
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I didn't think she was racist. Because she said "black"? She is just furious that they threw Hilary under the bus. Arguably, that could be called "racist" also, I guess.
post #24 of 27
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Especially one that is that racist.
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I didn't think she was racist. Because she said "black"? She is just furious that they threw Hilary under the bus. Arguably, that could be called "racist" also, I guess.
I think she was just expressing her fear/anger that Hillary is being discounted because she's female. Germany now has a female chancellor, and people here often ask whether I think the U.S. will ever have a female president. To be honest, I think that will only happen after a minority male "breaks the ice".

In other words, gender probably plays a greater role than ethnicity in U.S. politics, and that disappoints a lot of women.
post #25 of 27
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I think she was just expressing her fear/anger that Hillary is being discounted because she's female. Germany now has a female chancellor, and people here often ask whether I think the U.S. will ever have a female president. To be honest, I think that will only happen after a minority male "breaks the ice".

In other words, gender probably plays a greater role than ethnicity in U.S. politics, and that disappoints a lot of women.
i am sure that of obama loses, many will say it was cause he is black, and if she loses, they will say cause people are sexist, any other excuse they can find.

the only reason bill won was because of Ross Perot split the vote. The dem keep putting up people that most of the american people can not relate to. I doubt once more they will win.

at least Until they stop puttin up far leftist members.
post #26 of 27
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That is Bruce's brand of humor, don't take it personally.
i have no sense of humor. I sold it. for
my free health care.
post #27 of 27
I can almost hear it already - President Obama - has a different ring to it doesn't it!

Oh well, there's at least a limit of 4 years' worth or harm he can do.
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