I have a 14 week old kitten who has had diarrhea for over 3 weeks now. She has been on every possible antibiotic and is now on Ronidazole. She has been on it for 3 days and is still experiencing fecal "leaking" and severe diarrrhea. For those who have had cats on this drug before, how long does it take for the drug to kick in and see the diarrhea decrease/go away?? IS there any chance it could actually be making the diarrhea worse? Thank you for your help, I am so desperate for answers!!
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Need advice about Ronidazole PLEASE!!
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Why is your kitten on Ronidazole? Does she have Tri-Trich? To my knowledge that drug is only indicated to treat the very specific parasite, tri trichomonas foetus.
Most antibiotics will cause minor to moderate loose stool. The antibiotics kill the good flora in the cats gut. It takes awhile for these to grow back once the antibiotics are stopped. There are products available to assist with that re-growth and speed things along.
If your kitten was being treated for loose stool all along, I guess I don't understand the antibiotics then switching to a medication against a parasite.
Most antibiotics will cause minor to moderate loose stool. The antibiotics kill the good flora in the cats gut. It takes awhile for these to grow back once the antibiotics are stopped. There are products available to assist with that re-growth and speed things along.
If your kitten was being treated for loose stool all along, I guess I don't understand the antibiotics then switching to a medication against a parasite.
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The vets are thinking it must be tri-trich. She has all the symptoms of it and they're at a loss for what else it could be. They've treated her for coccidia, giardia, worms, even though she tests negative for everything. They've had her on clavomax, flagyl, albon, and one other one I forget the name of. Nothing has helped her for more than a day or two. She has now been on i/d canned food for about 10 days. I appreciate any ideas you might have!!
Poor kitty. Could it be food allergies? Loads of cats are allergic to fish and grains that are in cat foods sometimes. That is a lot of antibiotic for a small kitten.
I agree with the above poster in that her healthy flora have to be out of balance.
I agree with the above poster in that her healthy flora have to be out of balance.
I would ask your Vet to confirm Tri-Trich before treating with Ronidazole. This medication is a bit dangerous and can cause side effects or death if not administered in the exact dosage. To my knowledge still not yet approved by the FDA for use in cats.
Tri-Trich is only reliably identified by using what is called a "pouch test". A fecal sample is taken and placed inside the pouch in some fluid. It takes two weeks for the sample to process, then it is observed under a microscope. If there is any movement of a parasite, Tri-Trich is confirmed.
Check this link: http://www.biomeddiagnostics.com/pil...Tfoetus-feline
Tri-Trich is only reliably identified by using what is called a "pouch test". A fecal sample is taken and placed inside the pouch in some fluid. It takes two weeks for the sample to process, then it is observed under a microscope. If there is any movement of a parasite, Tri-Trich is confirmed.
Check this link: http://www.biomeddiagnostics.com/pil...Tfoetus-feline
Actually this site appears to be a bit out of date. The gold standard of TTF testing is now the PCR test and takes about a week to get back. Here is the guide on diagnosis and treatment of TTF directly from Dr. Gookin's site. The PCR test is the test I'm currently waiting on the results from and hope to have them back today.
http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/PDFS/go...ised042808.pdf
wrknight1 - I'm sorry your kitty is going through this. Mine is going through this as well and my vet put her back on Albon a couple of days ago just to help a bit until we get our results back. It isn't the best thing in the world but nothing else has helped and with the Albon her stool now has a slight shape to it. She had been treated with Albon before for coccidia so we knew it got the diarrhea under control for the meantime. I'm sorry to hear that nothing has been able to help your kitty. Here is a good website and they even have an email for support. From what I've seen, the Ronidiazole usually helps within a few days so that has me a bit concerned for your kitty. They definitely should have tested first IMO.
http://www.tffelines.com/
Hmm, don't know why you think the PCR is the gold standard. Can you elaborate?
The In-Pouch is the prefered method amongst the breeding community and their Vets.
I'd be interested to know if switching to PCR is worthwhile. Please fill me in.
I'm very familiar with Dr Gookin' work with T.feotus, but her article doesn't really say what extra benefit there is other than sensitivity and having ot go through a Vet. Which would be normal for me anyway.
The In-Pouch is the prefered method amongst the breeding community and their Vets.
I'd be interested to know if switching to PCR is worthwhile. Please fill me in.
I'm very familiar with Dr Gookin' work with T.feotus, but her article doesn't really say what extra benefit there is other than sensitivity and having ot go through a Vet. Which would be normal for me anyway.
This was told to me by my breeder but I also interpret it as such from the information I've read on it. If you look at the three different tests on Dr. Gookin's site, they are listed in order of sensitivity with the in-pouch being listed as "very good" but the PCR test being listed as "excellent". The PCR is also what my vet advised. HTH!
What you cat needs is a probiotic. The antibiotics are killing the good flora in her gut and a probiotic will put it back in. I use Jarro-Dophilus plus FOS (12 billion per gram). That will clear up the loose stools within a day or 2. There are lots of brands out there that I'm sure work. Bil Bac I think is another one although I've never tried it. Good luck!
I have some experience with Tritrich as my two cats were just diagnosed with this parasite. They are 2 yr. old Persians that came from a cattery and they have had diarhhea since we got them. We have had all the tests, used probiotics, slippery elm, Transfer Factor and Metronidazole for almost two years. Both myself and my Vet have been in contact with Jody Gookin at NCSU, she is the leading researcher and expert on TF. I strongly recommend that anyone with ongoing loose stools in thier cats go to her website and learn about this parasite. PCR is the most accurate, but it is expensive, the pouch test is also good but both need special handling and a lab that is experienced in testing for this, false negatives are common. We have held off testing because I did not want to use Ronidazole (RDZ)unless absolutely necessary, it has some pretty serious side effects. RDZ should NEVER be given without a positive diagnosis, and then only under a good Vet's care. Dr. Gookin has just recently changed the dose recommendation for RDZ to help lessen the chances of neuro toxic side effects to once a day. I am not posting her link as it is already on previous posts, please visit it for accurate information. This is serious enough that I will be taking a week off work to watch my girls for side effects, but then that's me. I just hope it works and they tolerate it so we can get them cleared and hopefully healthy. Most vets are still undeducated on Tritrich so getting help can be a challenge, I found it on my by researching then made my Vet aware, as well as the cattery.
Good luck
Good luck
You might consider giving Baycox in case he has coccidia, you only have to give it once and it kills the parasite. I put my 2 kittens who had coccidia on albon for 28 days which didn't work so I then tried baycox. The first two times I tried it at the recommended dose didn't work so I doubled it and waala, it's a miracle, months without diarrhea. Now every time I see a solid poop, it's like having a baby.
Hello,
I have seen some folk have used this medication. I just wondered if anyone had talked about long term side effects (It can cause cancer in humans so what does it do to cats) and wondered if the medication had cured the problem. There is so little known about this but it is becoming more prevalent in the uk.
Thanks
I have seen some folk have used this medication. I just wondered if anyone had talked about long term side effects (It can cause cancer in humans so what does it do to cats) and wondered if the medication had cured the problem. There is so little known about this but it is becoming more prevalent in the uk.
Thanks
Since I'm always interested in the side effects of medications and checking for side effects is the first thing I do when one of my cats is put on medication, I did a quick search. Part of what I found:
An excellent article:
http://www.fabcats.org/breeders/info...ichomonas.html
An excellent article:
http://www.fabcats.org/breeders/info...ichomonas.html
http://webdvm.lifelearn.com/clinics/...ew&pageid=1339
http://www.cat-health-guide.org/diarrhea-in-cat.html
After a year of various treatment, I took my cat to an internal medicine vet. Even though the test for T-foetus had come back negative, the vet said the symptoms were on the mark and since any next steps are invasive and expensive, she recommended the Ronidazole treatment first. Today was the 14th day of treatment, so I can tell you what has happened.
After a few days I noticed the explosiveness of the diarrhea was less. Rather than just fecal incontinence, he attempts a BM where he digs a hole and strains to go. At this point he still has diarrhea and there is some bleeding, but but much less of both. His anus is still healing from extreme infection too. I called Dave, who helps people with this, asking the same question you did. He said it often takes several weeks after the treatment is finished for the diarrhea to stop, and seeing any change at all during treatment is a very good sign. The reassurance really helped me stay the course and today I celebrated the last day with high hopes that the problem may be solved. PM me for info on how to contact Dave.
After a few days I noticed the explosiveness of the diarrhea was less. Rather than just fecal incontinence, he attempts a BM where he digs a hole and strains to go. At this point he still has diarrhea and there is some bleeding, but but much less of both. His anus is still healing from extreme infection too. I called Dave, who helps people with this, asking the same question you did. He said it often takes several weeks after the treatment is finished for the diarrhea to stop, and seeing any change at all during treatment is a very good sign. The reassurance really helped me stay the course and today I celebrated the last day with high hopes that the problem may be solved. PM me for info on how to contact Dave.
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To Hatdance-wondering what the dose was, I am part of a rescue group, my place is for recovery/transitional, and I have recently aquired a 14 month old kitty that has been diagnosed with tri-trich AND ghiardia.
Our normal dosing of most meds is .1 ml per pound of weright.
Is this the same?
Thanks
Our normal dosing of most meds is .1 ml per pound of weright.
Is this the same?
Thanks
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I am currently treating my cats with Ronidazole as 2 of the 3 have presented with symptoms of Tri-trich. Over the past 3 years, we tested for an array of different parasites and all are negative including tests for tri-trich! My cats receive 30mg/kg once a day. We have treated for 8 days so far and I have seen a dramatic improvement in bowel movements in 1 of the 2 presenting cats. The second, I have yet to "catch" but a hoping to see a similar response
Would love to hear other people's experience with ronidazole. We have not seen any side effects.
Would love to hear other people's experience with ronidazole. We have not seen any side effects.
Baycox isn't available for cats in the U.S.
For what it's worth, we treated Sugar for giardia, first with Panacur and then with flagyl, and the diarrhea continued throught the treatment. When we quit, her stools firmed up about 3 days later. She did test positive for giardia before we started it. I'm convinced the antibiotics prevented normal gut flora reestablishment.
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Hi,
Just wanted to say my two cats both just over 1 Years old suffered from constant diarehha since i got them when they were 12 weeks old and tried everything with the vet, but finally was put on a University Trail of Rinodazole as its the only way to get it in the UK.
One of the cats has just got better with time and his stools are fine now ( funny thing is he had it the worst by far but its took nearly a year to go on its own) so i only administered it to one of my cats. She made improvement within 2 days and has shown no side effects at all and looks much better now, and has gained weight, i guess time will tell.
Im now chasing the vets as they have charged me a stupid amount for the drug, althou i was told as its a University Trail and my cats were like test animals that i wouldnt have to pay a thing
Just wanted to say my two cats both just over 1 Years old suffered from constant diarehha since i got them when they were 12 weeks old and tried everything with the vet, but finally was put on a University Trail of Rinodazole as its the only way to get it in the UK.
One of the cats has just got better with time and his stools are fine now ( funny thing is he had it the worst by far but its took nearly a year to go on its own) so i only administered it to one of my cats. She made improvement within 2 days and has shown no side effects at all and looks much better now, and has gained weight, i guess time will tell.
Im now chasing the vets as they have charged me a stupid amount for the drug, althou i was told as its a University Trail and my cats were like test animals that i wouldnt have to pay a thing
Boots has had cociddia when I adopted him in 2005. He was treated
When I got him from the shelter he had all the normal shelter maladies he needed to be treated for.
He was with me for 5 years. Right from the start his BM has been watery and extremly smelly. At times he had some droppings on the floor. I had his stool checked by different Vet clinics, with no results. The main diagnosis was IBS, irritable Bowel Syndrom. I had him on Iams, Veterinary formula- Intestinal low Residue with no results. When Iams was discontinued I went with Hills I/D.
Then things got worse, he had more than the usual blood drops in his stool and he started soiling outside the box.He lost weight in a short time.To another Vet. All the tests again. Diagnose colitis. It was getting worse, he was on Metronidazole 100mg. and Hills Feline Z/D. He stopped eating and looked so miserable and skinny.In desperation I went to a Holistic & Organic Pet Food Market. The lady told me to stop everything and just give him the fish she gave me. Within 24 hours he was looking better. It is one year later now and he is on fish and mostly rabbit! food. (no kidding). He got bored with the fish.. and likes the rabbit better...
He is as healthy as a horse. Unfortunately for my wallet, the other cat eats rabbit now too, so it is not cheap, but oh so worth it.
Recently I found a home for his brother, who was in the shelter for the past 6 years. Guess what, his new mom, just went through the same as we did. After all the tests he was given Ronidazole 120 mg. and he stopped eating and lost a lot of weight. They were not quite through with the medication, as he was loosing too much weight and stopped eating all together. Now he too is eating well. I do not know if this medication helped to destroy whatever he had, but he seems well right now.
I wish they had more research in feline medicine. I do not have answers, but I was so desperate that I tried anything to make him better. Was it the Metronidazole or the Ronidazole that destroyed whatever it was, who knows. All I know it made them terribly sick before they got better.
When I got him from the shelter he had all the normal shelter maladies he needed to be treated for.
He was with me for 5 years. Right from the start his BM has been watery and extremly smelly. At times he had some droppings on the floor. I had his stool checked by different Vet clinics, with no results. The main diagnosis was IBS, irritable Bowel Syndrom. I had him on Iams, Veterinary formula- Intestinal low Residue with no results. When Iams was discontinued I went with Hills I/D.
Then things got worse, he had more than the usual blood drops in his stool and he started soiling outside the box.He lost weight in a short time.To another Vet. All the tests again. Diagnose colitis. It was getting worse, he was on Metronidazole 100mg. and Hills Feline Z/D. He stopped eating and looked so miserable and skinny.In desperation I went to a Holistic & Organic Pet Food Market. The lady told me to stop everything and just give him the fish she gave me. Within 24 hours he was looking better. It is one year later now and he is on fish and mostly rabbit! food. (no kidding). He got bored with the fish.. and likes the rabbit better...
He is as healthy as a horse. Unfortunately for my wallet, the other cat eats rabbit now too, so it is not cheap, but oh so worth it.
Recently I found a home for his brother, who was in the shelter for the past 6 years. Guess what, his new mom, just went through the same as we did. After all the tests he was given Ronidazole 120 mg. and he stopped eating and lost a lot of weight. They were not quite through with the medication, as he was loosing too much weight and stopped eating all together. Now he too is eating well. I do not know if this medication helped to destroy whatever he had, but he seems well right now.
I wish they had more research in feline medicine. I do not have answers, but I was so desperate that I tried anything to make him better. Was it the Metronidazole or the Ronidazole that destroyed whatever it was, who knows. All I know it made them terribly sick before they got better.
