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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
Based on my own experiences from when I was in school, there isn't enough emphasis on history nor is the time spent teaching it used wisely. At the high school level I'd love to see history program that looks like this. I want to get a masters and teach at the college level (if I do go into teaching):

Freshman Year: Ancient History (emphasis on Greek, Roman and Egyptian)
Sophomore Year: Middle Ages through the Industrial Revolution
Junior Year: American History
Senior Year: Government

I'd be willing to bet that most adults don't know there were more than two political parties in the history of the US.
That's actually the way my history courses in high school were set up! And, I used to have all the presidential canidates and their vice presidents and their parties memorized (that was over 20 years ago, so don't ask me who they are now).

I agree that kids should be taught about these things early so they can get an understanding of what happened and what was behind it (ie, a lunatic). It had nothing to do with religion really, it had to do with anyone that wasn't a model german..or the perfect race. I agree some things aren't appropriate for grade school kids. I remember my junior year of high school we watched a documentary about concentration camps. It showed the gas chambers, the living quarters, everything. It even showed a bulldozer moving a pile of bodies. That image still haunts me to this day. NOT something for an 8th grader, but something that older teens have to see while still in school.
post #32 of 39
definitely wasn't religious - many of the Jews had assimilated fully into German society - even became members of Christian churches.
plus, other 'non-desirables' were persecuted - homosexuals, Gypsies... basically, anyone who didn't 'fit the mold'.
post #33 of 39
lets get more fun, how about japanese and chinese history tossed in also
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
lets get more fun, how about japanese and chinese history tossed in also
You can laugh, but some of the most fascinating history courses I had were on Russia and China in the 20th Century. The evolution of the countries from monarchies through Communism to the "post-Communist" era really makes them what they are today. Ditto Japan and WWII.

I've gotten shocked responses when I mention to young people that Korea's biggest export to the West in the 1960s was children, or that in those days, people didn't want their kids to buy "junk from Japan".

Not enough emphasis is put on modern Asian history in Western schools.
post #35 of 39
Wasn't there a book out (Orville - 1980) or something like that where Big Brother was monitoring EVERY thing that was written and changing history to fit the real story? Sounds like this - you don't teach history cause it might upset some people, so you pretend it never happened!

Kinda like banning classic books like Tom Sawyer cause it contains certain words that might be offensive????? Sorry but at the time that was written that WAS the language they used! No reason to ban the book.
post #36 of 39
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Wasn't there a book out (Orville - 1980) or something like that where Big Brother was monitoring EVERY thing that was written and changing history to fit the real story? Sounds like this - you don't teach history cause it might upset some people, so you pretend it never happened!

Kinda like banning classic books like Tom Sawyer cause it contains certain words that might be offensive????? Sorry but at the time that was written that WAS the language they used! No reason to ban the book.
1984, by George Orwell - excellent book, btw!
post #37 of 39
We were taught about the Holocaust quite early on, and being of German and Polish heritage, I learned the darker details from my Dad when I was very young. Then again, death, disease, famine, war, blood, it's happened throughout history one way or another. History isn't clean, it has bloody hands and children need to know this so that it doesn't happen to them.

I just think it's stupid to not know about the Holocaust and anything else like that; to glaze them over as if it was indeed another math question. Math questions don't stay with you forever (at least in my case!), but history and the TRUTH should always stay with you.

Yeah, like Harry Potter .... Come on! It's a book! It's not gonna teach kids witchcraft. Pretty soon we'll have Brave New World, with all of those "Offensive books like Shakespeare" banned because someone in there said something that didn't agree with anyone.
post #38 of 39
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Originally Posted by Quill_luv View Post
We were taught about the Holocaust quite early on, and being of German and Polish heritage, I learned the darker details from my Dad when I was very young. Then again, death, disease, famine, war, blood, it's happened throughout history one way or another. History isn't clean, it has bloody hands and children need to know this so that it doesn't happen to them.
Your post got me to thinking. I'm not sure if I can express what is actually going through my mind, but I'll try.

Basically, a majority of the teachers now were born around or after the vietnam war. I was just a kid when the Vietnam War ended and I don't remember much of it, but I knew what it was called. And, I remember seeing headlines and watching the news with my parents. That was the last war the US was in until I was 24.

My generation didn't grow up like the WWII gerenation did. My mom remembered being carried downtown by my grandfather to see if any of their relatives or friends were on the list of missing soldiers. My father was put on notice for the Bay of Pigs (he was out of the Navy, but still on unactive reserve for 4 years) They we were just married a few months when he was put on notice.

My generation doesn't understand that fear because we never experienced it. Yeah, we got attacked on 9/11. And the schools got psychologists to make sure the kids were "handling it". Basically IMO it was more for the parents benefit that the children. Yeah, the children were scared because their parents were scared. Did our parents or grandparents get counciled after Pearl Harbor? No. They had to live with it because their parents had to deal with death from WWI and had to recover from the depression. And they turned out just fine...because they already experienced the worst.

I think kids have to know what humans are capable of doing to each other. Sheltering them isn't going to solve anything, and I think US society as a whole is trying to shelter.

I'm sorry for rambling. Your post got me thinking. I guess I really shouldn't be thinking this late at night.
post #39 of 39
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Your post got me to thinking. I'm not sure if I can express what is actually going through my mind, but I'll try.

Basically, a majority of the teachers now were born around or after the vietnam war. I was just a kid when the Vietnam War ended and I don't remember much of it, but I knew what it was called. And, I remember seeing headlines and watching the news with my parents. That was the last war the US was in until I was 24.

My generation didn't grow up like the WWII gerenation did. My mom remembered being carried downtown by my grandfather to see if any of their relatives or friends were on the list of missing soldiers. My father was put on notice for the Bay of Pigs (he was out of the Navy, but still on unactive reserve for 4 years) They we were just married a few months when he was put on notice.

My generation doesn't understand that fear because we never experienced it. Yeah, we got attacked on 9/11. And the schools got psychologists to make sure the kids were "handling it". Basically IMO it was more for the parents benefit that the children. Yeah, the children were scared because their parents were scared. Did our parents or grandparents get counciled after Pearl Harbor? No. They had to live with it because their parents had to deal with death from WWI and had to recover from the depression. And they turned out just fine...because they already experienced the worst.

I think kids have to know what humans are capable of doing to each other. Sheltering them isn't going to solve anything, and I think US society as a whole is trying to shelter.

I'm sorry for rambling. Your post got me thinking. I guess I really shouldn't be thinking this late at night.
Great post! I couldn't agree more with what you said.
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