Originally Posted by coaster
The question has been raised several times about exactly HOW allowing gay marriage will hurt either individuals or endanger society. I'd like to address that. And perhaps this explanation won't carry much weight with forum members who aren't old enough to have seen at least two, better yet, three generations.
Sociologists say that societal changes go in cycles. You have a period of strict morals and lifestyles. Then, in reaction to that, you have a period of relaxed morals and easy-going lifestyles. Then, in reaction to that, you have a period of stricter morals and lifestyles. And so forth. If I remember right, the cyclic period is three generations. I've seen that happen in my own time here on earth. I was born and grew up in the 1950's and 60's. The 50's were a conservative time, the time of stricter morals and lifestyles. The 60's were a time of rebellion against those conservative, strict lifestyles. The young people who were the rebels of the 60's are now the people in positions of power and authority. They're the people who have finished raising their families and are now seeing their grandchildren grow up.
These former hipsters are the generation (and it's my generatin) that changed their society from conservative to liberal, and they still retain the liberal views, perhaps moderated by time and experience, that they espoused in the 60's. When they were children, they got spanked when they were naughty. When they became old enough to have their own children, they decided they were going to do things differently, and they didn't spank their children. Frankly, their children grew up as self-indulgent brats, and they're the ones who are raising families today. As this cycle runs its course, it's the children of today who are going to see the society created by their grandparents as one of self-indulgent excess and are going to be the ones who change society back to a more conservative one. We see this happening already today, and the young people of today are more interested in education, jobs, careers and their futures than their grandparents, who were more interested in sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.
OK, so what's this got to do with the thread topic? Well, as social changes ebb and flow from conservative to liberal and back, some things become permanent. The gay lobby doesn't just want equality under the law for gays, they want the gay lifestyle to be institutionalized as a normal and healthy lifestyle. The old hipsters, the liberals from the 60s, are in control of entertainment, media, news, and so forth, where they have a perfect platform for conforming society to their views. And they're the ones who want to make sexual immorality, both hetero and homo, to be acceptable in everyone's eyes. They want to make their liberal views permanent. They want society molded in the image they see as the best way for society to be. One aspect of this is the "if it feels good it must be good so do it" mentality they developed in the 60's. Indulge yourself, live for today, find yourself, be happy. The gay lifestyle is part of this mentality. This is the way I am, this is what I want to do, so I'm going to do it and to heck with anybody who says it's wrong. I want to marry my same-sex partner. I want the state to provide a marriage license. I want my friends, neighbors and coworkers to agree with my lifestyle. I want to be seen as normal.
How is this achieved if society is going to rotate back to a more conservative way? You (1) change the language and you (2) write it into the law of the land. Then what you want becomes permanent. Think of the word "gay." That hasn't always referred to homosexuals. Why choose the word "gay?" Look at it's original meaning: fun, happy, light. This chirpy word takes the edge off the moral negative. Why do we say "sleep together" when it refers to two individuals having extra-marital sex. Think people!! "Extra-marital sex" carries negative connotations. (At least I'm glad it's still "naughty" to have sex outside marriage.) But "sleep together" is kind of, well, cozy. Warm and fuzzy. Acceptable. Look at the media: remember "Three's Company?" A guy and two girls living together. But it was OK because the guy was, wink wink, gay. Rephrase that a little and it's "OK to BE gay." Another step toward pushing the moral negative into the background. And so it goes. Today it would be "Four's Family." Two guys sharing a bedroom and two girls sharing a bedroom. What's acceptable in the eyes of society changes, and the liberals in the media who want to maintain the liberal, anything-goes society are getting their way because they're controlling the language and the context of the conversation. As we've seen in this thread, one can't refer to the homosexual lifestyle as wrong without getting jumped all over. When all you see and all you read and all you hear is that homosexuality is good and normal, then if you don't have strong convictions to the contrary, you'll go along with the crowd and believe what the crowd believes. You have to get outside the thinking of the crowd to see what's really happening. The next step is writing it into law so it becomes permanent, and that's what's happening in California and the push to get marriage legalized for homosexuals.
Why is this a threat? We have one or two generations now who have no idea that homosexuality might be a moral wrong, and what's worse, would never question it because they've never been exposed to the contrary. The cycle from conservative to liberal and back is being pushed toward the liberal side, upsetting the cycle and the social balance it enforces. Why did I say this would be more apparent to older readers? Think back to your childhoods in the 50's and early 60's. Were parents afraid their children might come to harm between home and school? Of course not. Kids could come and go in complete safety, and they could even talk to strangers. People didn't lock their doors. Car doors, either. Terrorist threats? None. The schools were places where kids went to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Cops were there to help you. The President told the truth. People went to church.
We have seen society change, and it hasn't changed for the better. Oh, sure, there's been progress in a lot of areas: civil rights, women's rights, and so forth. These could have been achieved regardless of the social deterioration that's also taken place in the intervening decades. The self indulgent "whatever gets you through the night is all right" (Lennon) mentality is responsible for our social deterioration. Self-discipline and restraint are necessary for social order and harmony. The hipsters of the 60's are responsible for a loss of self-discipline and restraint. The next generation is going to try to bring it back as a reaction to all the ills that social change has wrought. But because of the two things mentioned above: change the context of the conversation and write it into law, they're not going to be able to make as big of a shift. The social problems are going to be with us. I don't like the path that society's on, and I'll bet everyone else here doesn't like it either. The social changes do harm me. Harm all of us. I'm willing to give them the equality that they say they seek, but I'm not willing to have it written into law as marriage, because that completely changes the meaning of marriage for believe who believe homosexuality is wrong and marriage is between a man and a woman. Moreover, making homosexuality a normal and accepted part of society, when it's a moral wrong, makes it much less likely that the next generations are going to reverse the social cycle. We're going to be stuck on the downward course. Homosexual marriage is just one threat to society. It's not the only one. Maybe it's not even the greatest one. I can think of others: divorce and the break-up of the nuclear family. Public schools. Television. Video games. Sexual promiscuity. Consumerism. Frankly, all of this supposed progress has produced a rather mean and ugly society, with self-centered individuals desiring to indulge their every pleasure. Is this you? I don't know. I hope not. I give the benefit of the doubt. But it still affects you, whether you're part of it or not. We're all a part of society and we're all harmed by its downward course.
Many here are going to think I'm off my rocker. That this is an impossibly wild and crazy rant. Yes, it's a rant. Wild and crazy? Well, that's a point of view judgment. You wanted to know why, and when the words started flowing, they started flowing!! But consider: could it possibly be you think it's wild and crazy because you've been influenced by the change in context? By the change in the language? Gay vs. homosexual; sleeping together vs. extra-marital sex....all the "political correctness" that's enforced in our educational system. If we still have freedom of speech I also hope we still have freedom of thought. Because if everybody's using their freedom of speech to say the same things, I dunno........ Take a wider view, get out of the crowd, think independently of the crowd, see the historical perspective, always ask WHY? Maybe I am off my rocker, but this is the way I see it. You see it differently? OK, let's hear it. But don't mouth the slogans of the day, come up with your own ideas, and your own expression of them.