Originally Posted by HopeHacker
I find it almost impossible to understand how God could deliberately create a person who is a homosexual, just so that he or she should be discriminated against, and treated as second class citizens, and I do believe being Gay is NOT a choice, but is the way a person is born. For some odd reason, I believe God loves Gay people equally as much as He/She loves straight people. ?
This is from quite a ways back in the thread, and was recently quoted, but it reminds me of some points I'd like to make before I shut down for the night. There are a couple common misconceptions in this quote.
First, is that God doesn't create a person as a homosexual. Yes, I think that person quite probably is born that way. Because of Adam's fall, every single person is born in a sinful condition. That means that at some time they will sin. That's not God's fault. When He created man, He created him perfect and sinless. It was man who chose to sin and bring misery into the world.
Second is the plea that "I can't possibly understand why God would...." insert your favorite condition of inequity/misery/tragedy/whatever here. Who are we to understand the mind of God? God's ways and reasons are as far above us as we are above ants. It's not for us to know why. Not for us to understand. Just for us to obey.
Third, and I'll close on this: of course God loves gays just as much as He loves any other human beings. Nobody here said or implied that He doesn't. And He loves them so much that, well, everybody who's watched a football game is familiar with John 3:16. But though He loves the person enough to die for that person, He can't abide sin ... any sin. Sin is imperfection, whereas God is perfect. It would be like dirt in a sterile operating room. Sin requires forgiveness and cleansing before a person can get back to God. But if a person doesn't acknowledge a sin as sin, then he's not going to seek forgiveness and cleansing. So why would a loving God allow a person to be lost? God allows people to make up their own minds. There'd be no need for grace, no need for a demonstration of God's love, if nobody had free will, if nobody sinned. If everybody was automatically saved regardless of their belief or non-belief, regardless of their lives and behaviors, regardless of acknowledgement of wrongdoing and repentence from same, then God's love would be diminished. He would be less of a God. God doesn't want them to be lost, but He gives them the freedom to go down that wide road if that's where they want to go. So there it is, another quandry, leaving us with "why" and a reference back to the preceding paragraph.
Oh, and I think that enlightening my fellow men to their need for repentence and forgiveness IS showing my love for them. Letting them go on their own way without a knowledge of the consequences, turning my back on their need to be saved, then THAT would most certainly be un-Christlike. They can choose to respond to the message, or not, and if not, I'm not going to shove it down their throats. Anybody here who doesn't agree with what I've said or doesn't like what I've said is free to do so, is free to skip over my posts, is even free to tell me to shut up. Which I'll do now in any case.