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post #1 of 26
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html


"The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has perpetuated a “genocide on the black community,” says a group of African-American pastors who claimed Thursday the birth control and abortion provider has had a racist agenda since its beginnings in 1921."

your thoughts?
post #2 of 26
Hmmm, I don't really believe it, because in order for them to perform their services, you have to make the choice to go to Planned Parenthood. The African American pastors seem like they are trying to make it sound like Planned Parenthood is sneaking into black peoples houses at night killing their children.

I know that this will probably get me flamed or something, but it seems to me that a certain amount of the African American population is trying to play the victim. They just don't seem to want to take responsibility for the choices they make, so the blame it on racism. Someone (mostly the white people) is always trying to get the black people down.
post #3 of 26
Actually, someone wrote a oped piece on this in the Stater at Kent when I was there.
They published my response a few days later:

The original article

My response

I got quite a bit of feedback about this; pretty much everyone agreed the idea was ludicrous.
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Actually, someone wrote a oped piece on this in the Stater at Kent when I was there.
They published my response a few days later:

The original article

My response

I got quite a bit of feedback about this; pretty much everyone agreed the idea was ludicrous.
I agree with you Julie. A few months ago an article came out saying that one in four African American girls has an STD. CNN published the results not long ago.

This isn't genocide, it's simply a lack of education and a lack of access to birth control.
post #5 of 26
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I agree with you Julie. A few months ago an article came out saying that one in four African American girls has an STD. CNN published the results not long ago.

Interestingly, they didn't do the same study on White American girls who have STD - I'm not sure the numbers would differ greatly.

This thread brought to mind the interview I heard this morning on CBC radio. There is a young black man that has started a group called Black Daddies (I think that's the name). Apparently approximately 70% of black women (Jamaican here in Canada) are raising their children without the father because the fathers just aren't there. The percentage is lower in the general black population, just under 50% I believe they said. That in itself, may be a good argument for abortion since raising children by oneself is not an easy feat even under the best circumstances financially and socially.

I see this as another good reason sex education should be taught in school. Parents often have difficulty discussing sex with their children and IMO somebody needs to be able to educate them. I don't for a moment believe that sex education leads to promiscuity. If the young folks are going to have sex they'll do it with or without the education so I'd rather see them have the knowledge of what they are doing.
post #6 of 26
I guess it's easier to blame "the man" than to accept any responsibility that they, as the leaders and particularly spiritual leaders of the black community as a whole have failed to instill a sense of sense of responsibility or morality (assuming these pastors agree with the general premise that abortion is wrong/sinful).

I agree that it's a sad situation that many black people, especially the poor, are in. But I also believe in personal responsibility and good role models as well as education to enable people to improve their lot in life if they chose to do so.
post #7 of 26
I don't have a well articulated response to this one- I'll just say that's a big pile of pooh
post #8 of 26
There was an excellent book written a few years ago called "Killing the Black Body: Race, Reproduction, and the Meaning of Liberty" and another called "Reproductive Rights and Wrongs: the Global Politics of Population Control", both are written from an abortion and contraception rights stance, both point out very vividily and in great detail how racist and classist many contraception programs have been. I would highly recommend reading either of these texts. Pretending that there are never racist or classist motivations for contraceptive promotion is awfully shortsighted- although I seriously doubt there's a huge conspiracy. Also remember the very recent, very active eugenics movement in this country- into the late 70's. An interesting archive on the eugenics movement exists here: http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/

I became very passionate about this issue through my pro-choice/pro-reproductive freedom activism. I think many people just assume that any critique on contraception and abortion automatically comes from the anti-abortion movement, when the truth is there is a lot of critique coming from within.
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html


"The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has perpetuated a “genocide on the black community,†says a group of African-American pastors who claimed Thursday the birth control and abortion provider has had a racist agenda since its beginnings in 1921."

your thoughts?
The founder of Planned Parenthood never made any secret that she considered the children of the poor and the minorities as "the weeds of society," and her organization was founded as an herbicide against them.

I don't think you can judge the present organization by that. I've heard some of those tapes, and it sounded more to me like they were willing to agree to anything that would get them a good donation.
post #10 of 26
It is very hard to judge the intentions of an organization; those that need the most help are socioeconomically disadvantaged, and in this country at least disproportionately minority. So, someone who set out with the intention of controlling the population with some sort of bizarre eugenics scheme would likely target the exact same population as someone who truly wanted to help women who had had little access to health care and education.

Most organizations, however, have to do it out of compassion.
post #11 of 26
I have black friends that have gone there and they were treated ok.
post #12 of 26
I can not respond to this without offending a number of people. In order to maintain friendships with people on this site I choose to not have a voiced opinion on this one....
post #13 of 26
It seems like a mixture of complex reasons. I just hope it gets better someday.
post #14 of 26
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I can not respond to this without offending a number of people. In order to maintain friendships with people on this site I choose to not have a voiced opinion on this one....
what fun would that be

Anyway, i think it was founded for racist reasons.
However i no longer think that it is.


Zissou'sMom, i liked the links you posted.
post #15 of 26
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I can not respond to this without offending a number of people. In order to maintain friendships with people on this site I choose to not have a voiced opinion on this one....
(Hijack. A friend you can't disagree with is not a friend worth having, IMO. End hijack.)

Whatever the intentions of Planned Parenthood, going there is completely voluntary. Individuals need to take responsibility for their actions and sex education (or lack of) whether they're black, white, brown, yellow, or purple.
post #16 of 26
Nova is right. Not everyone agrees on everything.
post #17 of 26
I'm not so sure. Now there has been some things that are questionable, but this.....I don't think so.
post #18 of 26
Oh please! People seriously need to stop playing the race card!

It's time for these people to put on their big girl panties and start taking responsibility for their own decisions and their own actions!

I am extremly pro life, but that being said - i do not blame planned parenthood for "killing" all of these african american (or any other races) babies. The people who made the decision to abort their baby, drive themselves to the clinic, and then terminate their pregnancies are the ones who are responsible. Planned Parenthood did not force them to do anything or hunt them down and make them abort their babies. These people chose to do so and will have to live with the consequences of their own actions instead of trying to blame everyone else for their decisions.

Some people need to grow up!
post #19 of 26
A friend of one of my friends got Preg and went to Planned Parenthood and the first thing they asked her was when you want the Abortion. She is White and they pushed a Abortion. She didnt listed to them and had the Baby. They kept trying to talk her into Abortion.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
Oh please! People seriously need to stop playing the race card!

It's time for these people to put on their big girl panties and start taking responsibility for their own decisions and their own actions!

I am extremly pro life, but that being said - i do not blame planned parenthood for "killing" all of these african american (or any other races) babies. The people who made the decision to abort their baby, drive themselves to the clinic, and then terminate their pregnancies are the ones who are responsible. Planned Parenthood did not force them to do anything or hunt them down and make them abort their babies. These people chose to do so and will have to live with the consequences of their own actions instead of trying to blame everyone else for their decisions.

Some people need to grow up!
Excellent post- I thoroughly agree
post #21 of 26
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Excellent post- I thoroughly agree
Thank you Nate
post #22 of 26
I agree too.
And I bet that most of the people who do go to these clinics do accept responsibility for their situation, and even the ones who are irresponsible don't actually think that Planned Parenthood is trying to commit genocide on the black community.
Its just a few trouble makers, who have probably never had an abortion, and may not even be female, who think that they can just say all this crazy stuff and its okay. But it gives a bad name to every black person who doesn't think the world owes them/ is out to get them, which is just sad.
post #23 of 26
It seems to me now that babies are becoming accessories. When asked why a 14 year old girl was trying to get pregnant, she replied, "so I can dress it up like a little thug, in designer clothes." Get a doll, for goodness sake! The ignorance of young women of all races concerning having and raising children is unbelievable! These girls are getting pregnant and don't even know who the father is, then wonder why their life is so hard.
When I hear the words "I am a single mother" my brain shuts down. I don't listen any more. If they are single mothers, it is their own doing, and I don't want to hear about it. I might as well be listening to Charlie Brown's teacher "wah wah wah wah wah."
Granted, there are mothers that have been made single through no fault of their own, widowed, abandoned, that really need help, and they are the ones that don't get it.
I will step down from my soapbox now, but this subject just burns my butt. If I can have the same partner for 23 years, and never get pregnant, by our choice, that shows it is possible. Just a little care is all it takes.
post #24 of 26
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was an advocate for eugenics and firmly believe that those that she considered "inferior" (the mentally retarded, insane, chronically poor, immigrants) should be sterilized.

I can't remember the name of the book that I read last year but, it was about the forced sterilizations of poor and/or "feeble-minded" women that were carried out in many states, from the 1920s through the 1960s. The book cited Margaret Sanger's work and writings.

BTW: she was also an anti-Semite. Mrs. Sanger wasn't the altruistic, crusading saint that the pro-choice movement would make her out to be.

I have utilized Planned Parenthood's services, for birth control (back when I NEEDED it).
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2 View Post
If I can have the same partner for 23 years, and never get pregnant, by our choice, that shows it is possible. Just a little care is all it takes.
This isn't quite true. Sometimes, even with a lot of care, pregnancy results. Only total abstinence is a guarantee of not getting pregnant.
post #26 of 26
Well, yes, it happens that some people get pregnant using protection of some kind, but those are not as many as some people would have you believe.
I know personally several girls that said they were taking birth control pills when they were actually flushing them, and saying they had a Depo shot when they didn't. They were trying to trap their boyfriends in to marriage, or even worse, get welfare, food stamps, and free housing so they could sit on their butts, not considering that that money is supposed to go to caring for the children.
What I was saying in my previous post, which maybe I was not as clear as I should have been, is that people can prevent pregnancy much of the time if they choose to, by taking reasonable care to prevent it.
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