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post #31 of 47
Was the nosebleed from hitting the floor, or did it just appear? If the latter, I'm betting on lack of sleep plus the drugs in the energy drink raising his blood pressure.
post #32 of 47
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Originally Posted by bad_kitty2001 View Post
He has social anxiety so going to the dr is pretty scary for him. I am going to try to convince him though. I already told him if it was me it happened to, I'm sure he would make sure I ended up at the dr.
Tell him you'll be right there with him? Which I'm sure you will be, you're the witness so are the best one to help tell the doctor what happened.

The air freshener's timing sounds a bit suspicious too. Strong scents can be a trigger in those who have epilepsy.
post #33 of 47
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Was the nosebleed from hitting the floor, or did it just appear? If the latter, I'm betting on lack of sleep plus the drugs in the energy drink raising his blood pressure.
His nose was not bleeding when I first saw him on the ground. I didn't notice it until he started to sit up.

I did tell him that I would be there with him. I know I was the only one that witnessed the event, so I would be the only one who could tell what really happened.

Here is some information I found when researching last night...


"A typical grand mal seizure starts with a loss of consciousness and falling down. This is followed by a 15- to 20-second period with muscle rigidity (tonic phase) and then a one- to two-minute period of violent, rhythmic convulsions (clonic phase). During a grand mal seizure, you may take on a dusky appearance, resulting from decreased blood oxygen levels due to impaired breathing during the seizure."

From http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00222.html

It wasn't exactly like this. He started shaking before he even fell and he was contracted for more than the 15-20 seconds. There really wasn't any violent convulsions. I do know that when he was relaxed afterwards, he started to breathe heavy like he was trying to catch his breath.

Also taken from the above website, "Most grand mal seizures last from 30 seconds to five minutes. After the seizure, you may experience a headache and drowsiness or confusion. Seizures often occur randomly, though in rare cases, stimulation by light, sound or touch can trigger a seizure in susceptible people. Sleep deprivation and excessive alcohol use also may trigger seizures."

Whatever it was happened for about 4 or 5 minutes. I didn't realize it had been so long except for the fact that I looked at the times of all my calls. I tried to figure out the time by thinking it took a few seconds to react to him falling, going and checking on him, calling his name to him, freaking out and then deciding to call 911 at 2:26 again at 2:27 and his mom at 2:29 before he came out of it.

He did have a head and and told me he was confused. This also says a sound could trigger it which made me believe the air freshener in the first place. It does say that sleep deprivation could be a trigger. He had not been drinking at the time. He used to drink pretty excessively, but I have been helping him with that a lot.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarana

When referring to the ingredients in these energy drinks, "From anecdotal evidence of excessive consumption of energy drinks, guarana may contribute (alone or in combination with caffeine and taurine) to onset of seizures in some people."

He has had these energy drinks before. I know that I get shaky from just drinking part of a can, so I try not to drink them very often. For a while he was drinking them regularly, but I don't know the last time he had one before this. He was shaky though, which doesn't go well when you are running on absolutely no sleep.
post #34 of 47
Coming from a person who has a seizure disorder, my neurologist said to ABSOLUTELY never drink any of those energy drinks because of the guarana they contain could send me into a seizure. I'd have him go and get checked out. Lack of sleeping and energy drinks are a bad combination. In all my seizures, I never remember having a bloody nose. Social anxiety or not, his health could be in danger, he needs to see a doctor right away.
post #35 of 47
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Coming from a person who has a seizure disorder, my neurologist said to ABSOLUTELY never drink any of those energy drinks because of the guarana they contain could send me into a seizure. I'd have him go and get checked out. Lack of sleeping and energy drinks are a bad combination. In all my seizures, I never remember having a bloody nose. Social anxiety or not, his health could be in danger, he needs to see a doctor right away.
I agree completely, but I can't force him to go. I have told him several times and I will tell him again.
post #36 of 47
Another thing a doctor needs to rule out is syncope... a little info, not the best (but you wouldn't want to read lengthy technical medical studies and papers concerning it) http://heartdisease.about.com/cs/gen...opeseizure.htm

I tend not to faint, but when I have my pre/near syncope episodes I do jerk sometimes before I fall. After falling I cannot move until enough oxygen returns to my brain and allows that. Lack of oxygen to the brain can also induce non epileptic type seizures for some individuals. When I do faint I'm usually left very very confused.
I wouldn't dare try any of those silly energy drinks. They would set off my tachycardia and likely induce a faint. Tachycardia itself can decrease blood oxygen (which is why I can't speak or think clearly some days lol).

Infections, such as meningitis, cause cause seizures so you really need to drag him in to see a doctor soon. Tell him it will be more embarrassing if this happens again in public - point out that some people can lose bowel and bladder control during seizures.


I want to add a little bit of info and suggestion for anyone reading this. If you ever witness someone getting very dizzy, falling to the ground - with or without loss of consciousness, please do not set the person up. (if it happens to you, stay down for a bit) Remain with the person and make sure they lay flat. Whether it's syncope or a seizure, that's the safest place for a person to be during the episode.
post #37 of 47
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Another thing a doctor needs to rule out is syncope... a little info, not the best (but you wouldn't want to read lengthy technical medical studies and papers concerning it) http://heartdisease.about.com/cs/gen...opeseizure.htm

I tend not to faint, but when I have my pre/near syncope episodes I do jerk sometimes before I fall. After falling I cannot move until enough oxygen returns to my brain and allows that. Lack of oxygen to the brain can also induce non epileptic type seizures for some individuals. When I do faint I'm usually left very very confused.
I wouldn't dare try any of those silly energy drinks. They would set off my tachycardia and likely induce a faint. Tachycardia itself can decrease blood oxygen (which is why I can't speak or think clearly some days lol).

Infections, such as meningitis, cause cause seizures so you really need to drag him in to see a doctor soon. Tell him it will be more embarrassing if this happens again in public - point out that some people can lose bowel and bladder control during seizures.
Well I told him what if he was standing on the stairs or something. I already know what he would say about the public thing. He doesn't go out very often because of the anxiety. Thank you for all the information.
post #38 of 47
The thing is, if he has epilepsy or some other kind of seizure-inducing illness, this is likely to happen again (with or without the drink) -- and next time, he might be driving a car when it happens. So if he won't go to the doctor for his own sake, point out that he's putting others at risk as well.

I understand about social anxiety... but maybe it would help if you can arrange for him to be the first appointment of the day, so you can go straight into the exam room instead of waiting with other patients...
post #39 of 47
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Originally Posted by CarolPetunia View Post
The thing is, if he has epilepsy or some other kind of seizure-inducing illness, this is likely to happen again (with or without the drink) -- and next time, he might be driving a car when it happens. So if he won't go to the doctor for his own sake, point out that he's putting others at risk as well.

I understand about social anxiety... but maybe it would help if you can arrange for him to be the first appointment of the day, so you can go straight into the exam room instead of waiting with other patients...
I am still going to see if I can get him to go. He doesn't have a car so that example doesn't work. He is being super stubborn. He was supposed to ride his bike home from my apt yesterday too. I'm sure glad he didn't! I am definitely going to talk to him today. I think he is just starting to understand what happened from my view instead of his. He wasn't fully aware until last night when I went to check on him, of what had really happened to him. He also told me that if I had taken him to the emergency room, he would have just gotten up and walked home. He must be crazy.
post #40 of 47
Thread Starter 
My Sisters Bf is going to the Dr at 2.
post #41 of 47
yayy
post #42 of 47
Good Please keep us filled in.
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
My Sisters Bf is going to the Dr at 2.
So did it take four days for him to get in to see the doctor or were those four days spent with your sister pressuring him to go?

I hope they can figure out the cause, or at least rule out that there will be more. Let us know how things went.
post #44 of 47
Thread Starter 
I hope she got him to go. She was at her place when I talked to her.
post #45 of 47
Thread Starter 
My Sister will post when she knows more. he is waiting for a Ct Scan.
post #46 of 47
Men are SOOOOOOOOOOo stubborn. Whether he wanted to go on not, I'd have dragged him to the ER!
post #47 of 47
Hoping the CT scan doesn't find anything scary.
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