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Should Speedo LZR "assisted" wins count?

post #1 of 15
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http://gizmodo.com/379189/speedo-lzr...nd-controversy
Somehow it doesn't seem fair to count these "record setting" accomplishments since the former record holders didn't have the same technological assistance. IMO, it's like allowing steroids in baseball
post #2 of 15
To me, not allowing them would be comparable to not allowing wins by golfers for using the latest technology in clubs and better balls. Technology and progress have to be recognized and records were made to be broken IMO.
post #3 of 15
As long as there aren't little motors and propellers hidden in there somewhere, and I don't really see how they could hid anything in that suit hehehe, then I don't think that it is too much of a problem.
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To me, not allowing them would be comparable to not allowing wins by golfers for using the latest technology in clubs and better balls. Technology and progress have to be recognized and records were made to be broken IMO.
But not all swimmers are allowed to wear them, and since the suit came out in Feb., 22 records have been broken by swimmers wearing them.

IMO, for the records to count, then every swimmer should be allowed to wear one or else make a class for just the LZR wearers. The playing field needs to be kept level, esp. in the Olympics, because they're about sports and NOT about BUSINE$$....
post #5 of 15
I must be missing something, because it seems to be just a swimsuit.

Why aren't some people allowed to wear them?
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I must be missing something, because it seems to be just a swimsuit.

Why aren't some people allowed to wear them?
I have to agree. Unless it has little propellers or some such thing, it's just a swimsuit albeit a lovely huggy thing.
post #7 of 15
I don't see the big deal to be honest. You hear it in other sports about athletes being bigger, stronger and faster than they were in previous decades. Technology has also made an impact. If they want a level playing field then mandate that all of the swimmers international events wear the same style of suits. Despite what a person is wearing it still comes to a person's skill, strength and stamina to win. To me this is a non issue.
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Despite what a person is wearing it still comes to a person's skill, strength and stamina to win. .
America's head swim coach has advised anyone swimming in the Beijing games to wear the LZR, whether or not they are sponsored by another company, because the suit makes that big of a difference.
Saying the suit is just a suit is like considering the leather & wool clothing worn by John Muir while exploring the Sierra was just as good as Gortex, Hollowfill and Thermax.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,...-23218,00.html
post #9 of 15
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Saying the suit is just a suit is like considering the leather & wool clothing worn by John Muir while exploring the Sierra was just as good as Gortex, Hollowfill and Thermax.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,...-23218,00.html
Sorry, but I don't see this as an equal comparison at all. The only advantage I can see the suit having is that is fits more snug and has less drag while swimming and I don't see the other outfits being flowing or the cause of drag. It still comes down to skill, strength and experience for the swimmers.

That doesn't even compare to wool versus gortex for warmth/insulation IMO.
post #10 of 15
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Sorry, but I don't see this as an equal comparison at all. The only advantage I can see the suit having is that is fits more snug and has less drag while swimming and I don't see the other outfits being flowing or the cause of drag. It still comes down to skill, strength and experience for the swimmers.

That doesn't even compare to wool versus gortex for warmth/insulation IMO.
It helps hold the swimmer's body position and reduces muscle oscillation. The suit alone is given credit for making any swimmer 2% faster - and in the nanoseconds of timing the events, that 2% is bigger than is sounds at first.
post #11 of 15
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It still comes down to skill, strength and experience for the swimmers.
I agree, you don't just put on the suit and become an olympic swimmer.
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It helps hold the swimmer's body position and reduces muscle oscillation. The suit alone is given credit for making any swimmer 2% faster - and in the nanoseconds of timing the events, that 2% is bigger than is sounds at first.

It would seem as though not everyone really believes this or all the contestants would be wearing them, i.e., nobody would disallow them. If anything they would be fighting to allow their teams to wear them.
post #13 of 15
Wow, if they are really worried about swimming suits enhancing performance, then make them swim naked.
post #14 of 15
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It would seem as though not everyone really believes this or all the contestants would be wearing them, i.e., nobody would disallow them. If anything they would be fighting to allow their teams to wear them.
The German swim team, for instance, are upset because they aren't going to be allowed to wear them. IMO, it should be all or none that get to compete wearing them.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
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Wow, if they are really worried about swimming suits enhancing performance, then make them swim naked.
I'd definitely make it to those olympics.

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The German swim team, for instance, are upset because they aren't going to be allowed to wear them. IMO, it should be all or none that get to compete wearing them.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
The German swim team need to talk to their people. As Mr. Marsden (?) says, the psychological effect of not being allowed to wear them will probably have more of an impact. The whole thing may well be a psychological issue IMO.
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